i don't agree with caller in the sense that -- we are not yet orwell's 1984 yet, but we are moving in that direction. and this is a crucial juncture where we have to make that decision. again, i believe a lawsuit framed the way that donald trump's is, has the potential to craft a narrowly talered solution to the problem that will solve it without creating the further entangle men that the caller is worried about. one caveat is that to the extent that the government regulates the business, it can demand records, ordinary business records of the business. and that's through something called the third-party doctrine. i have written about the third party doctrine. i believe i have a common law solution to the issue of the third party doctrine. it is near and dear to my heart. this doctrine allows government to obtain information from the third party, facebook or whoever, without a warrant. no probable cause, no particularized suspicion. if we have more regulation of these platforms, we will have more government access to that information. and it creates a further risk. i think there is pl

he is the author of a two-volume essay on george orwell. michael is a contributor at new yorker magazine and visiting fellow at aei and his works appeared in the new yorker, london review of books and many other places that has been collected in the best american essays. he lives in paris with his wife and two children. his latest book will be published by knopf. >> george, amazing to be talking to you about another book you have written. george: and thank you for doing this past midnight your time. you are a great friend to do it. thomas: i wouldn't miss it. this is the second time i have read the book. it is very impressive on so many levels, one of which is the sweep of erudition you are able to fit into a taught -- taut, tight book. i wonder if you might want to say a few words and read a passage. and then we will get into a conversation before finishing with q and a from the audience. george: this is a covid book. it was conceived and written during the pandemic when i was trapped in front of the screen and couldn't do any traveling, a

in fact, it gives us big brother out of george orwell's "1984," and i can extreme more about that. what is it about section 230 that potentially poses a problem? it is a code section that grants legal immunity to platforms, social media's facebook, like us , they are immune from liabilities from any content that is generated by users, that is put onto the platform by users. you cannot have such a thing as a platform really unless you have this type of immunity. i want to be court at the core principle of section 230 is something i agree with, but i agree with justice thomas and others who have recently said that this immunity has been interpreted in an overbroad fashion, and it has left the platforms largely unaccountable for their contributions, whatever they are doing as distributors to distribute this content, and the trump lawsuit has a chance of holding that accountable for their conduct with spect to the restriction of the content. that is what he is concerned with, and to do so in a way that is in accordance with justice thomas' interpretation of section 230. that is the way

pretty important capabilities to the governments in the future -- host: are we looking at george orwell's "1984?" guest: in some context that is bearing out. -- contexts that is bearing out. you're also seeing it paired with high-tech tools, genomics databases who are being created, new systems that integrate data about weaker -- individuals. it's very orwellian. host: let's talk about digital repression and the persecution you just refer to. our regimes, governmental regimes, persecuting people because of social media conduct? guest: they are. this is something that is not necessarily that new, but i think has been developing over the last decade or so. i will give you another example from back in my time. when i was working at the state department. one of the countries i was thinking a lot about was ethiopia, a case study in the book. one of the main groups being persecuted that were either being jailed or sent into exile in the u.s. where a group called the zone at nine bloggers. just like the group in the congo, they are primarily an online group that were critical of the existing reg

the book's authors say milley told staffers, listening to the president was like reading george orwell'sian novel "1984:" "lies are truth, division is unity, evil is good." at an event today, the general appeared to joke about the potential impact his comments could have on his own career. >> i won't be at his retirement, unfortunately. i may be at my own before that, but who knows. >> reporter: the book claims milley was not alone in his concerns. top democrats, including houset. top d.m speaker nancy pelosi, called the general. he assured her mr. trump would not use nuclear weapons. senate majority leader chuck schumer today dodged. did you express those concerns? >> i am going to keep my conversations between myself and general milley private. >> reporter: milley himself was criticized for appearing with president trump on june 1 last year after protestors were cleared from lafayette square. he later apologized. the book says milley and other top military leaders even discussed resigning one after another if it became necessary. these new accounts coming as the house select committee

. >> host: steven feldstein, i was looking at george orwell 1984? >> guest: i think some can make up plausible argument that in certain contexts that's bearing out. turning again to china and what we're seeing when it comes to the persecution of the uighurs. we are seeing on the one hand, traditional incarceration, persecution and so forth but are also seeing that paired with very high-tech tools, whether it's jnana genomics databe being created, whether it's sort of new systems that integrate different streams of data that particular uighur individuals and to me that sounds and that feels very orwellian. >> host: let's go back to some of the errors you talk about when it comes to digital repression. i want to talk about the persecution you just referred to. our governmental regimes persecuting people because of social media contact? >> guest: -- conduct? >> guest: they are. this is something that is not necessarily that new but has been developing over the last decade or so. i'll give you another example from back in my time when it's working at th

and the same teacher according to witnesses who observed this also engaged in essentially george orwell's2-minute hate program, they allowed minority teachers to parade white teachers for 90 seconds in a kind of display of public apology for your whiteness, these things are happening within the institutions. i have the documents, the videos. if it is not in your school district now they are pushing to put it everywhere in the coming years. laura: this was shown to third-grade students just outside portland. >> one of the most freeing things white people can do or non-poc people, any human being on the planet to do right now is say of course i am racist. what it does is it says this is not a personal or moral failing, it's not because i'm a bad person or some evil terrible being, it is because that is the structure of this society i have been immersed in. >> 8 and 9-year-olds are told racist country, they are racist, really quick. >> i spoke with a woman from iran who said she grew up in tehran chanting death to america before school and what is happening, the indoctrination of her child i

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them good books give them the best literature and the nonfiction i cannot get enough of baldwin or orwell a few essays seem to me gideon and then my contemporaries and friends like from the new yorker alice mcginnis' book about amazon fulfillment which is an important book writing books about everything. living to the golden age of narrative journalism, we will look back and say just as the media made itself more and more are trivial also this great writing of essays and journalism took the place of fiction for a lot of people. >> you have good questions here. >> i will be brief. were there any passages that didn't make it into the final book due to an argument you felt bad to lose? >> i had a little page about the experience you and i shared last summer as coal organizers of the harpers letter because i've never written about the experience itself because there were a lot of interesting things going on behind the scenes. my editor said you don't need to do that. then i got a lot of attention it would just be a distraction from what you are trying to do. he was right. i had to cut it when

if you don't have the words, you can't have the thoughts, as orwell famously pointed out, and it's true you hopeful that this will in fact roll back to where we were five years ago and we can have a free country again, or do you think this will accelerate? is there any stopping i guess is the question. >> i think the difference between a conservator optimist and a conservative pessimist is that a pessimist says things can get numerous and the conservative optimist says oh, yes, they can, but i have hope. >> tucker: [laughs] >> these parents were showing up to the school board and what they are saying is we don't want radical gender theory being taught to our 3-year-olds, we don't want critical race theory being taught to our students, and we are going to stand up -- the simple fact is we need to articulate a standard of speech. we need to be able to say some things are true, some things are false, some things are good, some things are bad. free speech in the abstract means absolutely nothing to people who have nothing to say and so the argument i make in "speechless" is conservatives ne

obtained from nbc news, milley said that listening to trump was like reading orwell's 1884 that evil is good, and good is evil. but it was january 6th, he said, see you in d.c., he wrote to the followers, be there and it will be wild. but milley said that trump was stoking the unrest hoping to evoke the insurrectionist act, and then milley had a head's up from a former defense secretary that all ten living secretaries of defense had reached the same conclusion. he saw parallels between trump's rhetoric of election fraud and adolf hitler's insistence at the nuremberg's rally that he was the victim and their savior. and he said, this is the gol pel of the fuhrer, and four days after milley's alarm, we saw what happened on january 6th. we should say that nbc news reached out to spokesperson who declined to comment. and donald trump reached out and said, sorry, but an election is my form of a coupe, and if i were going to do a coupe, the last person i would do it with is general mark milley. and now joining us is shannon pettypiece, and former allied supreme commander and msnbc diplomacy

i feel like we are watching a george orwell novel that we are willing to rewrite history that we sawh our own eyes. >> one of the things that we see in this town, and it's regrettable, but when people do violent things and go places where they're not supposed to be, such as bursting into the capitol or jumping onto the white house grounds, they get shot, they get killed. maybe there should be some sort of national conversation about use of force. i mean, i think there are a lot of people in the african-american community who have been trying to do that for centuries. but that's not really what's going on here, is it? >> well, i think former president trump understands that the incident on january 6th for a moment really shook his standing in the republican party but that over time a lot of republicans have tried to forget about it. and by sort of bringing this back up, i think what he's trying to do is sort of force republicans into an uncomfortable position where they're either with him or against him. i think he knows that something like talking about ashley babbitt is going to per

summer on your tv, tablet, or any screen ♪ ♪ xfinity is here to inspire your biggest dreams ♪ welcome orwellmcdonald's says investors have been loving it lately shares at new records and the company look to go boost iphone production let's get right now to josh lipton with more on what apple plans to do. josh >> brian, so when is that new iphone coming? well, we don't know for sure just yet, though the team at wedbush bets that the iphone 13 launch will come in the third week of september this year. bloomberg reporting that apple is asking its suppliers to ramp up production of those next generation iphones by 20% apparently looking for as many as 90 million units. apple higher in today's trade as were some of its suppliers by the way, for example, pipers harsh kumar covers sky works and says this report is good news for them and says apple can represent more than 65% of sky works' total revenues. qualcomm another important supplier to mention i spoke to an analyst who covers that name, too, he estimates qualcomm gets about $38 for each iphone sold, that's a combination of chip sets and lice

and the travesty that is surrounding critical race theory, there's a quote by george orwell who says that this is an attempt by those policy makers and lawmakers who control the present trying to control what is taught about the past as it pertains to slavery so that they can control the future. >> mr. pierce, how receptive are parents to you, the ones who complain, the ones you've communicated with, who are saying you're trying to, quote unquote, indoctrinate my child on issues of history and race. how receptive are they to the fact that you are teaching history? >> well, i would like to say at this point they are receptive, but it didn't start off that way. there were some incidents that occurred where we had some complaints and i basically had to state my position and show how it was relative to the social studies standards which i worked on for the state of north carolina and also show how it was relative to the unpacking documents, which i also worked on for the state of north carolina. and once that connection is made and the administrators understand that that connection is ma

in fact, it gives us big brother out of george orwell's "1984," and i can extreme more about that.t about section 230 that potentially poses a problem? it is a code section that grants legal immunity to platforms, social media's facebook, like us , they are immune from liabilities from any content that is generated by users, that is put onto the platform by users. you cannot have such a thing as a platform really unless you have this type of immunity. i want to be court at the core principle of section 230 is something i agree with, but i agree with justice thomas and others who have recently said that this immunity has been interpreted in an overbroad fashion, and it has left the platforms largely unaccountable for their contributions, whatever they are doing as distributors to distribute this content, and the trump lawsuit has a chance of holding that accountable for their conduct with spect to the restriction of the content. that is what he is concerned with, and to do so in a way that is in accordance with justice thomas' interpretation of section 230. that is the way to go, if

claim has been demolished over the past 20 years by exceptional scholarship from woody holden, robert orwell gerald coren, and how concerned the revolutionaries were with slaves as an enemy internally or soldiers on their side. the second pushback has been that after all the revolution led to a contagion of liberty the media possible for americans to think about slavery critically, to at least want to end it, benjamin rush, thomas jefferson, and maybe even imagine racial equality. this second argument has been nuanced if not obviated by historians who atlanta sized in imperialist the debate about slavery pushed back in time. the radicalism of the revolution is no longer the main explanation for the rise of anti slavery. the controversy over empire and the controversy over slavery were bound up together on both sides of the atlantic from the beginning as christopher brown and others have argued. and that realization is part of what is leading to creative attempts to re-period eyes whatever we mean by the american revolution. just two examples that we will all be familiar with. gary nash in hi

are cooler heads prevaileded orwell alarmism win out? >> so i've been lucky to have the job i've had for the last or seven years now where we have gotten to meet with all the regulatory agencies that has some piece of jurisdiction over crypto currency. both in the obama administration and out of the trunk administration. i've always beenav oppressed by the level of dollars of that one person or maybe small group of people within the agency that focus on this technology. and focus in recent applying existing rule to the risk presented by the technology. at the regulatory level we have seen cooler heads prevail for a long time and i'm grateful for that. we've had reasonable regulation from anti-money-laundering standpoint, counter what was suggested. we seem all obvious exchanges. i've talked to law enforcement and said they prefer doing investigations when it's on an open blockchain network because there's a single source source of truth which is a ledger rather than a number of dubiously well held records at international financial insti