>> i like the orwell reference. >> i like the orwell reference. >> do both. thank you. read a book. mr >> nice one. >> nice one. >> yeah. hundreds charged with onune >> yeah. hundreds charged with online speech crimes under orwellian crackdown. so hundreds of people have been charged with onune of people have been charged with online speech crimes amid claims from the trump administration that civil liberties are under threat. here in britain. we saw jimmy talking about that a little bit earlier on. we see this every day on this show. almost 300 people have been charged with spreading illegal fake news or sending threatening communications. since the online safety act came into force >> welcome back to headliners, and let's have a couple more comments from gbnews.com/yoursay. catherine blatchley says leo should be on headliners at least three times a week. i am, i'm going to be on tomorrow as well. friday, saturday, sunday. so there we go. anyway, let's do some stories. we've got the telegraph now with donald trump fighting racism in south africa. jonathan. >> he's gone

that's why george orwell said who controls the past, controls the future, and america's past is and greatly diminished without robert e lee, because lee was the greatest example of, noble character and virtue in american history. he was the perfect balance of the softer character traits kindness, humility and and the more manly virtues of courage and strength and honor. lee was the man that every southern male aspired be. he was the son that every southern mother hoped to raise. he was really the embodiment of virtue. so why should care about that? we should care because character matters and america needs character. now more than ever. anyone who studied going all the way back to the ancient greeks and plato knows that a democratic republic cannot survive without virtue, our founding fathers knew this well. in fact, benjamin franklin said only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. we see what happens when unscrupulous people people without virtue take power and they ignore the constitution or they ignore laws they don't like, or they censor speech they don't like, or they abuse the sys

own people except supercharged because of the advanced tech no totalitarian something that george orwelly imagine. >> a massive slave state and monitoring state. it is sort of a mix of 1984 and in the third reich in my respects. these people going to the concentration camps as you point of point out never come out a real hell hole for muslim, and christians you name it it is just a disaster. let me ask you about this, the arm's race who is winning this arm's race? i get the sense that our military spending flat that we've been focused on all of the wrong things in four years in terms of internal operations with the wokism and transgenderrism all of that sort of thing. that we are -- sort of depleting our resources within the military over the years without replenishing them. who is winning this arms race right now? >> mark unfortunately communist china is clearly winning arms race over the last quarter century. at the turn of the century, the people liberation army was relatively small it was equipment, and weapons were outdated. they've undertaken a breathtaking military buildup somethi

we'll support in george orwell's novel 1984. how many of you read 1984? we used to have to read it in high school. i was a kid. so many, many of you have. but it is 1984 and his novel, 1984. it's a fictitious totalitarian government, creates a controlled called newspeak with limited grammar vocabulary. the point of is to suppress the ability of people to think independently or abstractly, making it difficult to, resist the ideological orthodoxy, the socialist collective. the words mean nothing in newspeak, and that makes them ideal for society's elites to dictate what they mean. esg fits perfectly into the newspeak lexicon. no need to think about the issues. it's all part of this wonderful saving esg. so having identified stakeholders or really society as the group whose interest america ceos were to serve and employing esg to expand the definition of what those interests were. i think it essentially re-interpreted the traditional duty that business as an asset managers owe their investors to the point where it imposes no restrictions, the ability of the

the president now it's kind of like old speak versus news speak, to borrow a phrase from george orwell's 1984. he wants to do away with old speak. he wants to to rid the word transgender, for example. he wants to get rid of the word woke. trump literally said earlier this week, quote, there's no more woke in this country. woke is an idea. it's a concept. it's a word. it's an idea with free speech predicates. so the point is, he is trying to erase certain language, and he's trying to promote and favor other language. i think this gulf of mexico versus gulf of america fight is related to that wider weaponization of language. >> that's a great point. and of course, we're seeing something similar at the pentagon, which has booted traditional media organizations from its workspace in favor of the smaller, pro-trump conservative outlets. this is exactly what we're talking about. favored speech. are you concerned, though, that it's spreading beyond the white house? >> i think it's in some cases, causing great reporting to happen outside the agencies, outside the press briefing rooms. you know,

i mean, it is orwell, it is kafka. it makes no sense at all.'s one of the architects of this on the podcast, and he said, well, i just i don't know about these individual cases. it's like elon musk being asked about the condoms in gaza, right? they will never admit fault. they would never admit that the sort of vetting process here is nonexistent, and that very serious mistakes are being made. >> well, and i also think that i would say that one interpretation of what they're doing, the most cynical and one that i think is persuasive in some ways, is a they want to eliminate nonwhite people from positions. they want to eliminate women from prominent positions. like it's not just they want to get rid of this program, but they actually want to, like, get rid of people that aren't. >> but some of them. are men. >> some of them are. >> some of them are men, some of them are white. some of them are veterans. >> right? >> it is. >> just it is all the things. it is. >> both both ideologically malicious and haphazard and sloppy. >> and completely sloppy

george orwell warned about this.an be controlled. we will see privatization of schools for profit. as betsy devos and others wanted to do, and we will see a less educated electorate. i have to say, though, i know so many good teachers, so many good administrators, and so many families who will not stand for that. >> and those administrators and those educators have been put in an absolutely untenable position in the wake of these cuts. just real quick, i'm not going to make you listen to sound of the president saying this, but there was something in his remarks yesterday that i think is worth highlighting. i like choice, we all like choice, but beyond choice, long beyond choice. i want to see it go back to the states. what does that even mean? operationally? >> i have no idea. but the president does not make sense often. >> does he? >> no. he doesn't. >> but an evergreen answer. >> i guess i'll leave it at that. >> congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania, we see that jersey behind. >> you. >> flying the eagles f

to europe's governments, particularly britain, they see george orwell's 1984 as an instruction manualce. a british citizen was arrested for praying outside an abortion clinic. we have german prosecutors saying that if you insult somebody, you could be arrested. we had allison pearson, a british journalist, visited at her home by the police, because of a tweet she had posted a year ago and since deleted. i want the police to be policing real crimes, not thought crimes. but not only this. we have a supine legacy media that paid lip service to free speech, that have suppressed stories and distorted stories. the bbc were found to have violated their editorial guidelines 1500 times in the four months after the appalling atrocities of october 7. they were found to have been downplaying hamas terrorism and promoting the idea that israel was the aggressor. this is our state broadcaster, funded by the taxpayer. the mainstream media have failed to report on the grooming scandal, and they failed to hold the deep state to account. much of the reason for that is the deep state are the people givin

you know, molly mentioned orwell in the last segment, and i think he really is the political philosopher biggest risks of the trump administration is he will try literally to erase from the pages of history, really important information, not simply here, but there have been other instances as well. and i really fear the day when there's going to be an attempt to get information, and we're just going to find out, oh, we just deleted all of those. sorry about that. and this kind of effort of foia, especially early to parry that is really important. it's of course critical for this very case. but i think it's a general theme to keep him from whitewashing the pages of history, which it's pretty clear he wants to do in many different settings. >> i mean, judge beryl howell writes for history as well. let me read this from the memorandum. of course, while the supreme court has provided a protective and presumptive immunity cloak for a president's conduct, that cloak is not so large to extend to those who aid, abet, and execute criminal acts on behalf of a criminally immune president. the excus

newspapers, a syndicated column like dear abby or something or like a columnist would write, like george orwell, wilson, others in the cpi to when they saw something, they heard something that went against their policy. they called it enemy talk enemy. what would be the equivalent of that today. huh? well, hate speech. well, or how about something else? fake news, right? when we say something is fake news, a lot of times not fake at all. it's just something that's inconvenient to the narrative that we're trying to convince you of so called enemy talk. think about how slippery that is anything anybody says. we don't know how that happened. how did the enemy tell us this? i mean, who who told you this? this tell me that. i mean, is he the enemy? i where would he have gotten that? who told him? right. it's a very way to think about how how you can begin to be paranoia. paranoia, paranoid about going on, because you've got these people lurking around, by the way, anybody want to guess how many spies all this about spies? how many spies? you think we're caught? the war, huh? one, one, one spy. only

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now we've graduated to orwell. i don't know, this is going to be the most literary. good afternoon, britain we've ever had. no, we will be doing the news, but also something that we do want your views on throughout the program. but one of the largest fields of gas ever discovered in this country. natural gas beneath our feet. it's been found in lincolnshire. it could power the uk for ten years to come, just from our own domestic gas supplies. do you think we should get it up? should we frack in lincolnshire? >> and here's a question for viewers. what if we were to frack? get that 112 or so billion into the economy and use that to beef up the army? >> ooh. >> ooh. >> big question. >> big question. >> 5% of gdp to spend on defence. >> well, gbnews.com/yoursay is the way to get involved in all of those discussions and so much more. but first, let's get the very latest headlines with sam francis. >> tom and emma. thank you very much indeed. good afternoon to you. it'sjust much indeed. good afternoon to you. it's just after 12:00, 12:03 to be exact. sir keir starmer says