did they lead to osama bin laden? >> the black site that i had visited was probably the grimmest place that i have ever been. >> and then, tracking terror. how do you track a lone wolf. >> there's a whole bunch of things that are technically possible. but do you really want your government doing that? >> and it's not just a movie. two of the actual women in the hunt for bin laden take us inside the cia. >> when you think of oo 7, you don't think of jane bond. you think of james bond. >> and, last, i'll have my own thoughts on confronting terror today. >> defining the enemy and understanding the threat. what does al qaeda look like today? it's been called al qaeda 2.0. loosely made up of affiliates and hangs on. who are these smaller organizations? should we be concerned about them? and what about the lone terrorists living in the west quietly plotting another boston bombing. cnn's national security analyst oversaw the first television interview with osama bin laden in 1997. his book, "man hunt" is the subject of a new

did coercive technique lead to osama bin laden?ain, our intelligence experts weigh in. >> the site that i visited was probably the grimmest blase i have ever been. ran the counterterrorism center from 2004 to 2006. >> it's a business when you are, again, for understandable reasons, sequestering people who you believe have information, actionable information, which if you're able to acquire it, will save lives. >> in your experience, looking at all the information you got, does it work? is the use of coercive interrogation, which some people call torture, a useful way to get information? >> for -- those group of hardened terrorists against whom, you know, the normal sort of measures that you might encounter in a chicago precinct, for instance, simply did not work. simply were unavailing. we acquired a lot of very important intelligence. >> leon panetta was in charge the day osama bin laden was killed. >> i often get criticized for saying this but it was the fact we got information, even though you may not like the approach that was

did they lead to osama bin laden? are our current interrogation tactics working? >> the site i visited was probably the grimmest place i've ever been. >> then, tracking terror. how do intelligence officials target a lone wolf? >> there's a whole bunch of things, certainly technically possible but do you really want your government doing that? >> shut up. >> and it's not just a movie. two of the actual women in the hunt for bin laden take us inside the cia. >> when you think of 007, you know, you don't think of jane bond, you think of james bond. >>> and, last, my own thoughts on confronting terror today. >>> defining the enemy and understanding the threat. what does al qaeda look like today? it's been called al qaeda 2.0. a more decentralized organization than the one that attacked us on september 11th, 2001. loosely made up of affiliates and hangers on like al qaeda and and the islamic -- allocate ka and the peninsula. al shabaab, but who are these smaller organizations? should we be concerned about them here at home? and what about the lone terrorist living in t

that man's name was osama bin laden. he issued this self-styled fatwa which he called a declaration of war against the americans occupying the land of the two holy places. the land of the two holy places is saudi arabia. the two holy places being mecca and medina. osama bin laden was, of course, a saudi citizen, and his whole first declaration of war on the united states hinged on the fact that the united states had military bases in the land of the two holy places, in saudi arabia. so that was 1996. then two years later, the second bin laden and al qaeda fatwa, the first one i against had been a little rambling. this one spelled it out much more directly. it said everybody should try to kill americans, american military personnel and civilians and the justification for doing that started in the same place as the fatwa before. the one in 1998 says first for over seven years the united states has been occupying the lands of islam in the holiest of places. the arabian peninsula. so this one was 1998. and since the first ir

that's what it is. >> so are you saying that will we did with osama bin laden was wrong?that we should have not shot them in the head? he should've been brought back to serve trial? >> no. i'll tell you one premise that you cannot simply dismiss. we have not to what happened in that room. you have a navy s.e.a.l. in the space of three seconds and a dark room and in enemy territory making a decision whether switching for welcome, whether he is a suicide vest on and someone shoots him in the head, i'm not going to second-guess that got because i didn't have the guts to put on that armor and go into that room and try and kill them. that's a different is that if osama bin laden had been captured on the streets and handcuffed and brought to the united states, it would've been a big colossal horrific spectacle that would are just glorified him. if that's how they captured him that's what should happen and initiative shot in. >> the israelis had the same experience. they put in montreux, yet his opportunity to have a soapbox be dished they grabbed it without resistance. they kid

. >> woodruff: and two years after the manhunt for osama bin laden came to an end. margaret warner talks to two women from the c.i.a.'s sisterhood who helped track down the world's most wanted terrorist. >> ifill: that's all ahead on tonight's "newshour." >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> more than two years ago, the people of b.p. made a commitment to the gulf. d everyday sincewe've worked hard to ke it. today, the beaches and gulf are open for everyone to enjoy. we shared what we've learned so that we can all produce energy more safely. b.p. is also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> ifill: the boston bombings investigation took another new turn today wit

manhunt, an amazing inside look at the search for osama bin laden, starts right now. ♪ > >>> we willear from the president of the united states a few moments from now. it will be a confirmation of a huge development. >> good evening. tonight, i can report to the american people and to the world that the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden, the leader of al qaeda. ♪ >> tonight we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who have worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. the american people do not see their work, nor know their names, but tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work. >> i think women make fantastic analysts. we have patience and perseverance. and we're not always looking for the sexy payoff immediately. trying to keep track of all the threads of various threats and which ones are real and which ones aren't real and what connects to what, people say why didn't you connect the dots. well, because the whole page is black. >> to pull a story out of all of this information, but there's no one single

he is one of the men who shot osama bin laden.ight, you will hear his account of the raid on bin laden's compound. are these guys yelling and charging up the stairs? is there a lot of action? how is it unfolding? >> you know, it's... it's not like the movies. movies make it out to be, you know, loud and crazy and everybody's yelling. it's quiet, calm. >> pelley: you're walking up the stairs. >> yep, nice and slow.

we confirmed this with records seized from osama bin laden's compaq after his death. we saw this with the plot to bomb the new york subway system in 2009. meanwhile, al qaeda affiliate's have emerged as significant threats. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula operating in yemen has attended several attacks on the united states, including the failed christmas day airline bombing in 2009 and the attempted bombing of u.s.-bound cargo planes in october 2010. most recently, we have a growing concern about the threat from homegrown violent extremists. these individuals have no typical profile. their experiences and motives are often distinct, but they are increasingly savvy and willing to act alone, which makes them difficult to find and stop. in 2009, smadi was a 19-year-old jordanian citizen living in texas, and although he espoused loyal to -- loyalty to al qaeda and some of the modern, he was not affiliated with any groups that would become terrorists. he had become radicalized on his own on the internet. when he expressed clear interest in attacking a dallas skyscraper,

so for example in pakistan which has a lot of nuclear weapons when obama did a targeted killing of osama bin laden when he certainly could have captured him when they the u.s. military soldiers got to the compound to obama's that osama bin laden's compound base saw that they could have actually nobody was armed and so they could have captured him but yet they took him out and they did this without telling the pakistani government and obama said in his speech last week that in fact this caused a lot of tension between the united states and pakistan and and that's the kind of thing that happens when these drone strikes kill people especially in large numbers of civilians also the drone strikes don't just kill the target or whoever happens to be in the sights but then when people come to rescue the wounded then these drone strikes kill them as well and when they have funerals to bury the people who have been killed in the drone strikes then more drones come and kill the people at the funerals so this creates tremendous animosity against the united states and when high level generals were te

osama bin laden's big demand was that we pulled u.s. bases out of saudi arabia and president george bush pulled u.s. bases out of saudi arabia. two decades later, we did the same thing. in 1983 there was a huge suicide truck bomb at the airport in lebanon. six months earlier there had been another big suicide car bomb attack, not on a barracks but u.s. embassy, 63 people killed including 17 americans at the barracks bombing, the toll was almost unimaginable. 299 dead including 220 u.s. marin marines, 18 american sailors, three american soldiers, nearly 60 of the allied french troops. the americans and the french and troops from a lot of other countries were there. they were in beirut as part of a peace keeping force trying to stop or mitigate the effects of a civil war that was raging in that country. and the bombings were a terrorist message that those international troops could get out, get out you infidelity occupying armies, we do not want you in our country. pull out the peace keepers. then president ronald reagan responded by pull

the american people and to the world that the united states has conducted an operation that killed osamaaden, the leader of al qaeda. ♪ >> tonight we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who have worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. the american people do not see their work, nor know their names, but tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ everance. and we're not always looking for the sexy payoff immediately. trying to keep track of all the threads of various threats and which ones are real and which ones aren't real and what connects to what, people say why didn't you connect the dots. well, because the whole page is black. >> to pull a story out of all of this information, but there's no one single intelligence looking at all this information, it's a lot of different brains looking, so the more that you can bring people together and you know, share what's important, the better it works. at that time, the people who had really deep expertise in al qaeda, you know, they were women and they did a job that at first did not

i think that the three important points are one contrary to claims torture did not lead to osama binladen to torture really didn't provide us much useful intelligence generally and three the last one that cia was misrepresenting what was going on to congress choose the department of justice and even to the white house so you know a lot of the claims a lot of the claims that say d.o.j. approval were based on were in fact false and i think that's a really important point not just for the torture program but for cia oversight generally now marci in my beginning i have talked about the fact that it is taking forever to release this report what is taking it so long well if it was approved in december and originally as the cia was supposed to kind of come back to the senate intelligence committee on february fifteenth to. complain or give any complete concerns i had about declassifying it at precisely that time where john brennan was being confirmed to be director of cia and he didn't read it before the confirmation hearings he just read the introductory volume. he afterwards has been sayi

i'm going to go with "osama bin layin' 3: ji-hard-on." ( cheers and applause ).o, so what are we going to do with these idiots? the answer used to be easy-- i have no idea, so let's ship them to gitmo. but, sadly, gitmo is not the caribbean pick a body leave a body tray it used to be. >> more than half the detainees at the guantanamo prison are now on hunger strike. >> the hunger strikers are the anonymous people fromiemen and other countries who are not even deemed a threat anymore. they've never been charged. they are just sitting there and they're in utter despair. >> inmates are asking people around the world to pay attention to their plight. >> good try, but you won't get headlines about a hunger strike. case in point-- nobody talked about gawnda until he had the nip slip which is why i cannot understand why barack obama gave them all this free publicity on tuesday. >> it is not a surprise to me that we have problems in guantanamo. when i was elected in 2008 i said we need to close guantanamo. it is expensive. it is inefficient. it is a recruitment tool for

i'm going to go with "osama bin layin' 3: ji-hard-on." ( cheers and applause ). so, so what are we going to do with these idiots? the answer used to be easy-- i have no idea, so let's ship them to gitmo. but, sadly, gitmo is not the caribbean pick a body leave a body tray it used to be. >> more than half the detainees at the guantanamo prison are now on hunger strike. >> the hunger strikers are the anonymous people fromiemen and other countries who are not even deemed a threat anymore. they've never been charged. they are just sitting there and they're in utter despair. >> inmates are asking people around the world to pay attention to their plight. >> good try, but you won't get headlines about a hunger strike. case in point-- nobody talked about gawnda until he had the nip slip which is why i cannot understand why barack obama gave them all this free publicity on tuesday. >> it is not a surprise to me that we have problems in guantanamo. when i was elected in 2008 i said we need to close guantanamo. it is expensive. it is inefficient. it is a recruitment tool fo

osama bin laden is dead. >> al qaed. >>. >> we eliminated osama bin laden that.ths before the elections, that narrative they were selling turned out not to be true. do you think that is the reason why those talking points, the cia had it right from day one? do you think they lied to get reelected?. >> i can't know the answer to that. what i do know is that anyone dealing with that problem of al qaeda knows that we have killed leaders in al qaeda. and they are replaced within a matter of a month. there is a new one. you may go through three leaders in one part of iraq or afghanistan and they'll be re -- replaced. that is what happened. and that contingent that is -- has to be understood to be not correct. >> let's walk through this slowly. we know that the cia warned that there might be an attack on the september 11th anniversary. i would think that is a logical conclusion in deed. there were requests for security denied before the attack. during the attack we know from hearings there were two stand down orders people willing to go help those people under fire. th

are rather receiving end of the drone strikes these are people that level these are people that want osama bin laden to with you know in the terms of lindsey graham and all these other people they have every reason to be against al qaeda but we're giving them every reason to say well enemy of my enemy is my friend and you know blowback is i think inevitable you can't conduct these kinds of wars around the world killing innocent people in the pursuit of a few bad guys and pretend that it's not going to come back to hurt you i can't tell you the number of people that i've met abbie when i've gone to afghanistan or yemen or somalia who said you know we had a positive view of the united states but then when this night raid happened that killed my wife or this drone strike happened that way out forty six people in this village i decided that i'm against you i had one guy in afghanistan whose family were not even posh to him they're fighting against the taliban one of them was a senior police commander after a night raid he said i want to put on a suicide vest and blow myself up among the americ

killed osama but i mean that's what they wanted to do yeah hillary clinton the wake of that also said this happens regularly you know which is kind of point who are these other people that are the targets of these raids and also just the fact that we assassinated the most wanted terrorist in the world for a decade i mean we go in and assassinate him and any intel i mean it's just amazing i never really understood why people were so excited about clinton got they they claim to have taken a huge duffel bags of stuff out and then the west point military academy translated all of these documents that they said that they found and some of them are are on line but i mean there's a lot of questions that are unresolved about what went on in that house that night what we actually gain from it one outcome of this of course the global war on terror as these forgotten prisoners in guantanamo bay sitting there have been greater now on a hunger strike and of course the rhetoric we hear is we can't trust the many government to take the prisoners so why is it the u.s. government trusts the yemeni gov

and then you have osama bin laden was shot in the head? these are disparate treatments, but in both cases they both seem vengeful. >> oh, boy. what was that? please turn that off. danny? >> i'll put it in a provocative way. the discussion we're having of the justice system here is highlighted in international relations that much more which is when a crime is committed whether it's against an individual or by one country against a group, against another country, there's no way to make it right unless, of course, someone steals $5, then you can give the $5 back. there's just no way to make it right. so we're all in the business or the game or arena of trying our to do the best we can and figure out how to make it as right as one can while acknowledging at least to ourselves that it's never going to be right. and be you have a lot of trade-offs, and you have a lot of things to consider. and i'm really quite surprised by my colleagues on the panel that they speak about the system as if it's imperfect. everybody knows that, but it's pretty good

this is about osama bin laden raid. gates said in can.rovided by his colleagues that was that. shut the blank up, the defense secretary said. concerned about classified finfo. is there a double standard here when it comes to this administration going after these classified leaks? >> you have to buy david sanger's book is to find out what the word. is i don't know i do think it's odd we're condemning the obama administration for being overly aggressive when all the people on the hill, we sats around this table did he crying the leak and talking how important it was to get to the bottom of it. i think criminalizing leak investigations 6 proved to be a bad counterproductive. we had with v plain plain and joe wilson and all the rest. doctor valerie plame. >> now you have more. >>. >> i'm not sure it rises to the level of benghazi and the irs. i agree. if you are leaking classified information in a way that is going to compromise counter terrorism activities, i'm an american before i'm a journalist. i hope we get the persons particularly if it

therefore, you won't see osama bin laden's pictures. >> osama bin laden. >> thank you. we can't forget the massive explosion that occurred april 17n in west texas. 14 people killed, 200 injured. willie nelson hasn't forgotten. on his 80th birthday he raised $120,000 which he gave to two towns devastated by the explosion. well done, willie nelson. >> that was a nice willie. >> he's alwa b

therefore, you won't see osama bin laden's pictures. >> osama bin laden. >> thank you. we can't forget the massive explosion that occurred april 17n in west texas. 14 people killed, 200 injured. willie nelson hasn't forgotten. on his 80th birthday he raised $120,000 which he gave to two towns devastated by the explosion. well done, willie nelson. >> that was a nice willie. >> he's always been there. he's been to the farm aid concerts, many of which i went to, some of which i can remember. >> what does he say? okay, never mind. whoa. let's get out while we can. that's it for us on the five. again, our thoughts and prayers are with >>> welcome to "red eye." i'm greg gutfeld. she is so hot they use her to light the olympic torch. and he is so funny that everyone forgets to laugh. comedian joe derosa. that was kind of mean. and in canada she a door stop. my repulsive sidekick, bill schulz. and his mustache can brerch 400 pounds while cooking a three-egg spanish omelette. john bolton, former ambassador to the u.n. and he is also the president of "red eye." before we proceed

therefore, you won't see osama bin laden's pictures. >> osama bin laden. >> thank you.n't forget the massive explosion that occurred april 17n in west texas. 14 people killed, 200 injured. willie nelson hasn't forgotten. on his 80th birthday he raised $120,000 which he gave to two towns devastated by the explosion. well done, willie nelson. >> that was a nice willie. >> he's always been there. he's been to the farm aid concerts, many of which i went to, some of which i can remember. >> what does he say? okay, never mind. whoa. let's get out while we can. that's it for us on the five. again, our thoughts and prayers are with the people of only. we'll see you tomorrow. special report is next. >>> holding out hope for survivors in a town turned to sticks and bricksth is special report. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. teams continue at this hour to search for the rubble in moore, oklahoma after yesterday's yests disaster. the national weather serves is significant it's an ef-5, the strongest of ratings. although the extent of the damage is unknown, it's fair to say i

we killed osama bin laden. we kept the country safe.there is that kind of terror attack, it looks like the united states is weak. it gives the republicans in. obama has the polls and it looks like he's going to win. i think it's the politically safer course of action. it doesn't make it seem like the war in libya was a mistake that it unleashed all these things, and it doesn't put pressure on the obama administration to act. they would vastly refer-- >> my reaction would be if we were attacked in the middle of an occupation, that's not necessarily surprising. >> cenk: i think glenn's right. that's the safe route and obama always takes the safer route. oh, it wasn't terrorism. they think get it out first. no one will hear the retraction, and that's the usual play. the republicans are wait, no, no no, we're going to make a stink on this. what should happen? so now mike huckabee is on the show talking about impeachment. of course, of course. what is the reality? we apparently tend to agree that they went in the wrong direction in that firs

. >> osama bin laden and his al qaeda terrorists network are the immediate target. but the day after the attacks president george w. bush comes to the white house situation room and orders counterterrorism director richard clark to look into an iraq connection. >> when i said, mr. president, we will do that, of course, but we've done it before, and rather recently, and the answer has always been no. and it's likely to be no this time. he didn't like that answer. and he got mad. >> i was in the room during that time. and he was very adamant about perhaps seeing whether or not iraq could conduct such an operation against the united states. i was surprised when the president left the room. i said, i believe secretary wolfowitz got to him. >> paul wolfowitz, bush's deputy secretary of defense has had saddam on his personal enemies list for two decades. >> every time he survives something he sends a message to his enemies, i outlast my enemies, and if you are on the wrong list when i'm still around, you'll be in trouble. >> paul wolfowitz had become convinced that if we

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so for example in pakistan which has a lot of nuclear weapons when obama did a targeted killing of osama bin laden when he certainly could have captured him when they the u.s. military soldiers got to the compound obama's assignment in lines come down base saw that they could have actually nobody was armed and so they could have captured him but yet they took him out and they did this without telling the pakistani government and obama said in his speech last week that in fact this caused a lot of tension between the united states and pakistan and and that's the kind of thing that happens when these drone strikes kill people especially in large numbers of civilians also the drone strikes don't just kill the target or whoever happens to be in the sights but then when people come to rescue the wounded then these drone strikes kill them as well and when they have funerals to bury the people who have been killed in the drone strikes then more drones come and kill the people at the funerals so this creates tremendous animosity against the united states and when high level generals were telling