. >> warner: osama bin laden or a voice saying he was osama bin laden this weekend hailed the christmas day bomb attempt, the same attack that al qaeda had already taken credit for. now one, do you believe this is osama bin laden, but more importantly what-- if so, what does it is a about how al qaeda is operating today? >> it's always hard to identify whether it is him or not. but as far as we know there has never been a false osama bin laden tape. so the odds are that it probably is him. i think what it tells us about al qaeda is that we are now facing a more decentralized, flexible organization. al qaeda central will take claim, will take credit for certain things. it does not really mean that they had daily command and control plan the operation or execute it. it is probably likely that it did originate in yemin-- yemen but the fact that al qaeda does provide a moral and political center for all these groups allows them to take credit for it. >> warner: now if we then add the jordanian double agent suicide bombing which seven cia offers, former colleagues were killed, what does that

the officers who got killed had arranged an operation in 1998 that would have killed or captured osama bin and mr. brennan was instrumental in preventing that operation from occurring. instead he said the americans should trust the saudis to take care of bin laden. so it's a painful -- it's a painful death, but more importantly it's a death that didn't need to occur had mr. clinton -- mr. brennan, george tenet and mr. berger have the courage to defend americans. >> i wish those gentlemen were here to de fend themselves. >> i would be delighted any e time to talk to them in public on any forum, ma'am. >> hopefully we can arrange that. i'm sure they'll want to answer your charge. >> i'm sure they would. >>> up next, we get out of washington and head to the beautiful state of utah. where john king caught up with one mayor who's looking to change the status quo by changing the local liquor laws. ♪ [ female announcer ] most people make resolutions... based on what they see on the outside. ♪ this year, focus on what's inside... and let cheerios help tackle your cholesterol. now you could win a f

in 2008, osama bin laden warned that europe and denmark would be punished. westergaard came out of hiding last year in spite of the million-dollar price islamic militants put on his head. he's been under close police protection ever since. that wasn't enough. a spokesman for the danish intelligence service said the attack was part of a terror-related network linked to the somali militant group al-shabaab. the somali militant organization flexing its muscle yesterday with this rally in mogadishu has moved steadily closer to al qaeda. five years after they were first published, the danish attack shows the original cartoons still have the power to incite violence. sheila macvicar, cbs news, london. >> glor: two students from the same school, both killed, both in frightening ways only months party. for the city of chicago tonight, more evidence of violence on the streets there, especially among teenagers, is not over. randall pinkston has details. >> reporter: the grainy image from a convenience store surveillance cam rafs another sad reminder of the violence th

. >>> is this american man the next osama bin ladin? a special investigation, the radical cleric born in the u.s.a., find out his connection to 9/11, the accused ft. hood shooter and other terror suspects. >>> also tonight our cnn special investigation, a chain of yoga and wellness centers, two dozen former employees say it's a cult, they were abused. >> people were screaming, throwing up. people were running away. >> reporter: don's lawyers say it is not a cult and no one was abused, who's telling the truth. >>> this is your only source for news, cnn prime time begins now. here's campbell brown. >> we're going to start tonight, as always with the matchup. the week's top story, a scathing white house report on the christmas day bomb plot. president obama outlined how his administration dropped the ball and the commander in chief made one thing crystal clear, he fully understands we're fighting a war on terror. >> for ulgt mtimately, the buck stops with me. >> president obama took full responsibility for mistakes that failed that stop th

osama bin laden. and mr. brennan is instrumental in preventing that operation from occurring. instead he said the americans should trust the saudis to take care of bin laden. so it is a painful, a painful death, but more importantly it is a death that didn't need to occur had mr. clinton, mr. brennan, george tenet, and mr. burger had the courage to try to defend americans. >> i wish all the gentlemen were here to defend themselves. >> i would delighted any team to talk with them in public, in any forum, ma'am. >> hopefully we can arrange that some day. they would want to answer your charge. >> thank you for being here. >> up next we get out of washington and head to the beautiful state of utah where john king caught up with one mayor looking to change the status quo by changing the local liquor laws. i can breathe through my nose immediately. afrin has made me happy. is that a silly statement? (announcer) afrin. why suffer? hey, coach, seeing you really brings back some great memories. wait a minute, coach, you're the coach. you taught me everything i know. you taught me everyt

for nasser al-bahri alias "abu jandal" is the former bodyguard to osama bin laden himself. tyr he says, a man to be loved. nasser al-bahri bin ladens former bodyguard >> i have often said i love osama bin laden more than my father. we shared many experiences and he defends the islamic nation. he doesn't like killing. >> reporter: mr. al bahri was one of many yemenis serving alongside bin laden in the afghan mountains in the late 1990s, where he earned the nickname, the killer. out after jail time in yemen, he now works here as a business consultant. but he's still proud of the leg wound the al qaeda leader often bandaged up for him. and though he's retired from jihad, his sympathy for the latest generation is hard to disguise. do you understand why a nigerian allegedly would >> do you know why this nigerian wanted to blow up the blaen headed to detroit? >> ( translated ): i wish the question wasn't so naÏve. britain and america are in iraq and in afghanistan. they intervene in the affairs of islamic nations. there are a million people out there like the nigerian. >> reporter

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you are going to have to spend time doing that and that means it's going to slow down the hunt for osama bin laden. so what the taliban and al qaeda have managed to do here is really put a huge crimp in operations for some time to get osama bin laden. >> and for the jordanian intelligence service as well? >> oh, absolutely. they've got a lot of questions to answer here. we've been talking to sources here who have indicated that they think the jordanian intelligence services, along with the cia, have really acknowledged some red flags here. how can they possibly trust a jordanian doctor who just arrived in pakistan to say he could actually get close to al qaeda's leaders? that just doesn't add up. why would they trust somebody who was clearly by his internet blogging an ideologue, a supporter of obama? they never had success of putting somebody in the top ranks of al qaeda before, intelligence operative. a lot of red flags missed and everyone will have to analyze what they did wrong as well as double-check their agents and spies. randi? >> still so much questions. nic robertson for us in amma

nonetheless, people like osama bin laden justify this.as said before in the current struggle it was said that they hate us because of our freedoms and our way of life. as a c.i.a. agent what bearing do you have on that as far as foreign policy, as far as their motive compared to them hating our way of life and trying to make us part of a police aid? what role can we do as far as not being bias and dealing with gaza and being a republic and that our republic exists and why can't another republic exist as far as weapons of mass destruction. please sir, explain to me if it's possible that another group such as al-qaeda that could have those weapons? host: let's get a response from our guest. guest: yes, i believe there is possibility of other groups. the broader question i would address by saying when bin laden conducted 9/11 part of his goal was to create a global jihad, to create a group where terrorists would pick up and aspire that. and we saw that. but at the same time it didn't achieve the full effect at 9/11. if you look at the troops

i couldn't know what osama bin i couldn't know what osama bin thinks about president obama.hat the administration has done a great job of continuing the policies of the previous administration. if you look at the high seniors of the administration, and how they think, they are reflective of the positive efforts of the bush counterterrorism. and that has greatly affected and smashed al-qaeda's organization that existed before 9/11. as far as director penant is to have the trust of the president. i have heard about the support of their work and i am confident he's a good choice as c.i.a. director. host: we have larry calling. caller: yes, is it not true that osama bin laden was close to president bush and his family. and wasn't it our government that at some point in time sold these biological weapons to them and that's including saddam hussein and i will get off the air and listen to his response. guest: larry, i would not agree that the u.s. supported osama bin laden. if we read the history of the u.s. efforts to topple the soviet union and afghanistan. and at the time we su

that same year osama bin laden determined to kill americans or allies is an obligation for every muslim who is able to do so in any country. a year before 9/11, al qaeda attacked the u.s.s. cole killing 17 sailors an injurying -- and injurying dozens more. 9/11 may have been the day we realized the consequences of inaction, but the pattern of attacks leading up to that day is undeniably clear. from the first days after 9/11, our strategy has been the same to deny al qaeda and its affiliates sanctuary and to deny them a staging ground from which they could plan or launch another attack on u.s. soil. this is why we resolved shortly after 9/11 to rid afganistan of the taliban which harbored al qaeda and its leader osama bin laden. we had early success in that effort. by november 2001, the taliban had been driven by kabul. soon after that an international body met to name an interim government in afganistan to be led by its interim president hamid karzai. despite the early success al qaeda's leadership was able to find a safe haven in pakistan's tribal areas. a few years later it gained eno

osama bin laden'familys is from there. now terrorist are believed to be flooding into the country seeking to save haven from u.s. air strikes in pakistan and afghanistan. >> iraq is yesterday's war. if we do not act preemptively, yemen will be tomorrow's war. >> these are people who were held in gitmo their return and have now gone back to the battlefield. >> president obama's top tier adviser says -- joining us is the white house reporter for "politico." in the wake of this attempted terror attack on that flight from amsterdam to the troy, -- to detroit. >> president obama is really looking at this issue with two different reviews. he has ordered that basically all the intelligence agencies appear in the situation room on this coming tuesday. he is coming back from hawaii, and there will be a meeting asking what they did, what went wrong, and what should be done better the next time. the lot of folks are talking about folks who will lose their jobs. >> there have already been some changes in airport security. >> there is

osama bin laden wakes up and say, i'll kill people today. they believe they're god. that it's appropriate for them to wield power over life and death. they believe the ones they will kill are guilty of crimes and deserve to die. to bush, an afghanistan farmer who fought for the taliban is guilty of a crime. because that farmer helped to support the government of his country, which helped a man bin laden, who inspired people, who kimed -- killed americans. to bin laden, a secretary at the office of the world trade center was guilty of a crime because she's worked for a corporation that was part of a system of international capitalism that supported a status quo in the world in which muslims are oppressed. of course, there are particular instances in which even hardened killers find it to absurd to claim their victims are guilty of crimes and deserve their death. this is particularly the case when the victims are children. in those cases, the rebels killing of child hostages, bill clinton's imposition of child-killing sanctions on iraq, the claim is simply that the abs

and they have safe havens, particularly in pakistan where they believe osama bin laden is now, and this is, you know, after almost a decade of chasing him. there are safe havens in yemen. how do you deal with these safe havens? that's something, i think, they're still wrestling with, and as i said earlier, i don't know that there's a real plan other than these drone strikes and to get other countries like pakistan or yemen to use their own military force to go after the safe havens which lots of countries are not anxious to do, to say the least. >>larry: you've covered and written about war so frequently so well. is, frankly, the war on terrorism, is that a winnable war? >> well, george bush and barack obama agree on one thing. they both said, we are going to defeat al qaeda. and that is the chief terrorist threat. you know, i don't know. if you dig into some of this, al qaeda has been set back at certain times, but they're also growing, they're quite talented in some of the die b-- diabolicl things they do, and someone told me this week they're spreading into north africa. north africa

and is this american man the next osama bin laden? a special investigation, the radical cleric born in the usa. find out his connection to 9/11, the accused ft. hood shooter and other terror suspects. >>> also, our cnn special investigation a nationwide chain of yoga centers, they claim it is a cult. they claim they were abused. >> people were screaming and throwing up and running away. >> lawyers say it is no cult. who is telling the truth? >>> hey, there, everybody. we start tonight as always with the mashup. the week's top story, a scathing white house report on the christmas day bomb plot. president obama outlined how his administration dropped the ball in the bomb plot and the commander in chief made one thing crystal clear he fully understands we are still fighting a war on terror. >> for ultimately the buck stops with me. >> president obama today taking full responsibility for intelligence mistakes that failed to stop the christmas day airline bombing plot. >> president obama explained the three main findings of the review, one

pakistan does provide, or at least people think they provide, shelter for osama bin laden and al qaeda central leadership. somebody in the pakistani military probably knows where he is, and the pakistani certainly avoid fighting the afghan taliban or trying to capture, kill its leaders. so the pakistanis have their own agenda. and i think one of the reasons that gates and clinton were walking back obama's pledge to withdraw forces back in 2011, which of course is designed to prod karzai to make his reforms, was the realization that the pakistani military if they know the u.s. is going to lead, would have no incentive not to accelerate the helping of the u.s. in the, the afghan taliban. to forestall indian influence. now of course mcchrystal said yesterday that it wasn't important, the withdrawal date wasn't important to strategy, which basically blows the message to karzai that we'll be leaving so they're sending sort of a model message. now, i don't think obama -- he doesn't mess have to say the u.s. is going to withdraw because the pakistanis have already experienced the u.s. and her

i don't believe that osama bin laden is still alive, let me just say that there are other leaders of, the cia and disclosed it years ago that the worse the purcell's right in the united states of america -- there were sleeper cells right here in the united states of america by biggest concern now is land travel. you have the monorail systems and subsystems. many remember in the 1990's, the religious extremists in japan released a gas and cost a lot of catastrophic things to happen on the subway. that is my concern now, that these individuals could have just as much access to land at ways of troavel. how close are we to really knowing who these people are, and how will the united states upgrade the overall inspections of individuals who go into these types of the venues? guest: there has been a lot of speculation in recent years about why al qaeda or its affiliates would not try to do more of these sorts of attacks, lower scale a tax -- lower scale attacks, on a metro or subsystem or in a mall, the could create just as much fear, if not more, then trying to blow up an airplane. it wou

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osama bin laden seems to not have been interested in it. it doesn't make sense from the terrorist stand point. the drill i've been through is sort of suggest that. if you want to be effective as a terrorist, you want to deal with weapons you know what they are. you know how to set them off. and ieds and so forth and guns and so forth. and so i think they'd moseley, and as far as they've done anything, relied on much more conventional and understandable and much more reliable kind of weaponry. yes, sir? >> who do you think would be the comic session let's say by 2020? do you think there'll be a clarified thinking, a rethinking, another problem that's even bigger than this that we'll be focusing on. what do you think? >> i'm not sure. the question is about the atomic obsession be in 2020? i suspect it'll still be there. i think it's built in. my book is trying to deflate or put in reasonable context the whole threat. but the trauma of hiroshima and the hype that's come out ever since which has found a receptive audience i think it's likely to

it's going to mean time to readjust and that means catching osama bin laden is going to take that much longer, frederica. >> rick robenic robertson, than amman. >>> one other word on al balawi -- >> translator: i'm proud of my husband. my husband accomplished a very big operation in such a war. if he's a martyr, may god accept his martyrdom. >> our ar rwa damon will have me on his taliban connection and the man sitting next to him in this video. that's 30 minutes straight ahead. >>> the nigerian man accused of trying to blow up a northwest airlines plane on christmas day has pleaded not guilty. umar farouk abdulmutallab made his first court appearance yesterday in detroit. he told the judge that he understands the charges against him. at least one passenger from northwest flight 253 attended the arraignment. >> he looked the same but he had a little bit more actions. when i saw him on the plane, he was very blank. he didn't move. he didn't struggle. you know, he spoke in court today. he didn't say anything on the plane. so it was a little bit different. seeing him felt a little strange

this guy isn't osama bin laden. he's not at the top of the totem pole.o squeeze him as much as they can to get whatever they can out of him and obama's top people have already acknowledged that's their strategy. they've been working with the justice department and all going to try to promise him something less than life in prison. which, shep, come on! all right, instead of giving them life in prison, they're going to give him 50 or 60 years. they're not going to give him 20, we know that. right, drew? unless they take him to where osama bin laden is, do you see them giving him less than 30 years? >> in the federal system he's going to be working with a lot load of time because they're going to charge him with attempting to kill every person on that airplane. arthur is correct that he's looking for a ton of time. what's significant is both from the prosecution standpoint and the defense standpoint is that it did happen in detroit. because, again, there's nowhere outside of new york city where they're more equipped to handle this type of case. even though

. >> one of the things you've been saying for a long time is that osama bin laden is forced more underground and others, there will be people who come in to fill that void and clearly there may be multiple levels of them. thanks, evan. >> thank you very much. >>> police in pakistan say a suicide bomber who killed 96 people at a volleyball tournament probably actually had another target in mind. the new year's day bomb attack took place right near a meeting of elders who were trying to find off the taliban in the area. those men had set up an anti-taliban militia. today, rescuers are continuing to comb through the rubble for more bodies. >>> here at home, big storm brewing for northern new england states. it's day two of preparations in portland, maine. a significant amount of knsnow expected there and all across the state. for more here's bill karins. >> good saturday morning to you, chris. waking up to snow. new york city a light dusting overnight. it's still snowing pretty good in areas of long island, connecticut, also through massachusetts. it's going to be pretty much an all-day snow ev

yemen is the ancestral home of osama bin laden.istration's top counterterrorism adviser says u.s. troops sent there is not under discussion. >>> passengers from newark airport in new jersey should be at their destination after flights were grounded when a man bypassed security. sunday night all the passengers in terminal c were rescreened. passengers waited six hours before reboarding plane. surveillance tapes have been checked but authorities haven't found the man at this point. >>> 6:40. we're looking at 24 degrees under a mostly cloudy sky in baltimore. it's cooler surrounding us. 23 hagerstown. 23 easton. you factor in the winds, feels like 15 in town to 12 on to the eastern shore. essentially we're going to have a partly cloudy to mostly cloudy day. the chance of maybe a flurry or snow shower as winds pick up this afternoon. 32 our 2-degree guarantee but it's going to feel like the lower 20s. >>> a new year and new set of safety measures. if you man to fly overseas. >> the u.s. government issues new security rules for airlines

. >> is it anything less than a failure eight years after 9/11 osama bin laden is not captured? >> this has bedeviled this government. we're going to continue to hunt him down, we'll get bin laden, the others, there has been a strong track record over this past year and in fact over the past number of years of finding these operatives, these commanders and either capturing or killing them. it's going to happen with bin laden. every day we get one day closer. >> when is the last time he was pinned down by the u.s. or its allies or close to being killed? >> i think you know, the evidence is that tora bora we came close to finding him, getting him and capturing him. intelligence is working every day on this. i'm not going to go into that. but there are some dedicated men and women, and i think just the events of this past week, the they should be treated, prosecute them if we have the information available, transfer them back, but make sure if transferred back the countries take the appropriate steps to president's position both in terms of language he uses and the actions he's take

scheuer founded the cia counter-terrorism center, the osama bin laden unit, in 1996. here to talk to us this morning about terrorism in the wake of the flight 253 incident. overall, what do we know about the strength of al qaeda as compared to 9/11? even before that, in 1996? guest: they have a much larger geographical reach than they did originally. they have a functioning wing in yemen, one in fourth africa, and even somalia and north africa. -- north africa, and even somalia. on the face of it, it seems that they are wrong in reporting that they have not expanded. host: we see reports about what we are doing to prevent people from entering. we read about and see the launches of creditor drones against al qaeda operatives. what are we not doing that we should be doing? guest: what we have seen is definitive proof that there is such a thing, on any topic, that killing these people one at a time is not sufficient. it was not sufficient in 1995 and is far less so now, as there are so many people in the muslim world that are mad at america. very few muslims hate america

. >> osama bin laden is not a micromanager. he's a very talented modern ceo. he kind of establishes the goals and discusses the targets. >> reporter: and yemen has emerged as a key hub. >> the transit of fighters, safe haven for fighters. the movement of lodge city call materials. yemen is perfectly placed for all of those things. >> reporter: last year the u.s. government tagged $70 million to fight terrorism in yemen. u.s. officials say that number will double this year. but it's hard to tell if the u.s. is throwing good money after bad. >> there's always the question of when you give aid, where that ends up. that's a little bit of a risk that we have to take here. >> reporter: in the last two weeks u.s. has launched two raise. >> we can't go to war with these countries. if we do, we play into al qaeda narrative. and we make it more successful organization every time we put additional forces overseas into muslim countries. >> reporter: experts say that al qaeda is using yemen to try to lure the u.s. into another ground offensive. that's something that obama

but the truth is, despite the largest manhunt in history, we don't have a clue where osama bin laden is. we haven't had eyes on target since tora bora. we hear his voice, with you know he's there, but we haven't a clue where he is. that makes the whole issue of trying to establish how critical and influential he is in al qaeda today all the more complex. for analysts to understand. what we do know is that this al qaeda core has successfully embedded itself in what i call a syndicate of terrorist organizations in pakistan. the old of a began taliban, the new pakistan taliban, groups like josh mohammed, this is not a monolith and al qaeda is a very, very small part of a much larger syndicate. it has no central direction, it has various different agendas. but one thing stands out. they cooperate with each other. on a practical level and so far, none of them have been willing to turn on high value target number one. in the last year and a half, starting under the bush administration, which deserves credit for building the program, we have begun to put significant pressure on al qaeda in

but the truth is, despite the largest manhunt in history, we don't have a clue where osama bin laden haven't had eyes on target since tora bora. we hear his voice, with you know he's there, but we haven't a clue where he is. that makes the whole issue of trying to establish how critical and influential he is in al qaeda today all the more complex. for analysts to understand. what we do know is that this al qaeda core has successfully embedded itself in what i call a syndicate of terrorist organizations in pakistan. the old of a began taliban, the new pakistan taliban, groups like josh mohammed, this is not a monolith and al qaeda is a very, very small part of a much larger syndicate. it has no central direction, it has various different agendas. but one thing stands out. they cooperate with each other. on a practical level and so far, none of them have been willing to turn on high value target number one. in the last year and a half, starting under the bush administration, which deserves credit for building the program, we have begun to put significant pressure on al qaeda in pakista

>> thank you. >> the question of who made osama bin laden i will leave to smarter people who have written longer books. who is making the next to bin laden is a beautifully phrased rhetorical question that we could all debate. hopefully, i am not. the sea and opposition to bin laden -- is the opposition to bin laden? i think change always hurts a little bit. i'd not have anything profound on any of this. in terms of the relationship between bin laden and abu yahya, i have nothing. i don't think bin laden has even mentioned him. but he did in a recent statement. i would have to go back to the transcript. i called him the next bin laden because it is cute. not because, actually, i believe it that people become the next anointed one. but not necessarily mean that bin laden is going anywhere. >> i think the rumor and the newsweek story was that zawahi was jealous because he perceived relationship that he was not a part of which is at least plausible. i do not want to say it is necessarily true but it is possible in the sense that a has always had a manipulative perception or attitude toward b

. >> now, a discussion on the leadership of al qaeda and possible successors to osama bin laden. from the carnegie endowment for international peace, this is just under an hour and 15 >> jerod is the author of global jihaddism, and with the first director of research at the combating terrorism center at west point. brian was also presently at west point, also director of research at the combating terrorism center and recently started at the new america foundation, so we're very excited to have him much closer. so jerod, please begin. >> thank you everybody. i know fargo, north dakota, is a hotbed of counterterrorism research, and analysis. we're actually trying to make it such. it's my hometown and it's good to be in a heat wave. it was about 45 below a few -- how is the mic level? does that work? ok. so you know, i've been -- i've been musing about abuah for a long time and we've been talking about who he is, what he represents and at first i started ringing his bell i guess around 2006, i mean, it was an interesting story, we'll get into it when he escaped fro from bagram in 20

i think that's why america is coming under attack from osama bin laden. if you saw his statement over the weekend, he is saying again, that he is attacking america because it is america that created israel. >> host: caller, would you caught anything else besides that? >> caller:. no that is the biggest from we have right now. >> host: look at "new york times" write-up on all this here is headline. obama to seek spending freeze to trim deficits. three-year proposal. domestic budgets are focused. pentagon is among those exempt. they go on to talk about politics of all this in "the times" today. they say the initiative holds political risk as well, as well as potential benefits because mr. obama plans to exempt military spending while leaving many unpopular or many popular domestic programs vulnerable. it his move will further aingewer liberals in his congress and who are already upset about the possible collapse of health care and troop build-up in afghanistan. fiscally conservative democrats in the house and senate have urged mr. obama to support a freeze

host: michael scheuer founded the cia counter-terrorism center, the osama bin laden unit, in 1996.ere to talk to us this morning about terrorism in the wake of the flight 253 incident. overall, what do we know about the strength of al qaeda as compared to 9/11? even before that, in 1996? guest: they have a much larger geographical reach than they did originally. they have a functioning wing in yemen, one in fourth africa, and even somalia and north africa. -- north africa, and even somalia. on the face of it, it seems that they are wrong in reporting that they have not expanded. host: we see reports about what we are doing to prevent people from entering. we read about and see the launches of creditor drones against al qaeda operatives. what are we not doing that we should be doing? guest: what we have seen is definitive proof that there is such a thing, on any topic, that killing these people one at a time is not sufficient. it was not sufficient in 1995 and is far less so now, as there are so many people in the muslim world that are mad at america. very few muslims hate americans

in terms of osama bin laden, he mentions the efforts to get osama bin laden. this, in a sense is the greatest mystery as to whether we will ever be able to bring him in. i am certain that cia and other intelligence agencies are searching diligently and trying to see if they can potentially capture him. as far as the israeli- palestinian issue, it seems intractable. it seems almost impossible to solve. the only thing i think we can do is look at other exemplars, such as the situation in ireland and simply hope that over time and through diplomacy and through good will we may be able to bring a resolution to the problem, but one that will happen is anyone's guess. host: we have about 11 minutes of then senator barack obama speaking about u.s. relations. >> the burdens of " citizen should continue to bind us together. a change of leadership in washington will not lift this burden. in this new century, americans and europeans alike will be required to do more, not less. partnership and cooperation among nations is not a trace -- a choice. it is the only way, the o

osama bin laden could not be there if it is not terrorist.hese people who are making problems, are in sudan. african islamic religion -- that is where a train of the terrorists. the radical and you got the was trained in sudan. i was in school there years ago. people penetrates south sudan -- we look the same, we have the same ethnic groups. . guest: i honestly think that is going to create some big problems for us, but the caller is absolutely 100% right. sudan, khartoum, has been a mecca for extremist groups like the palestinian islamic jihad, or some of bin laden -- osama bin laden in khartou for am 1990 to 1996. it is a problem. i think government officials are working on it. i do not know if there is a eastridge solution in the long term, but we will see. host: thank you, sir. guest: thank you so much. host: we will talk about president obama's statement during the state of the union address anbout the recent ruling by the supreme court. here is that moment, and we will talk about it for the next 20 minutes. >> with all due deference to

the other is the osama bin laden i know. -- "the osama bin laden i know, " to my immediate left is frank anderson. he has spent 27 years in the united states government. retired in the south aged division of the central agency division. since that time he is then providing consulting services to corporations. finally come to my far right, there is marksageman, an independent researcher. he is director of research and a consultant for rti to national. he has consulted for our government. yes console for the need for police department. he holds accident [unintelligible] he served in the central agency from 1984 to 1991. he spent some time in islamabad. he is an author. his last two books are "understanding terror networks" and "leaders -- leaderless the jihadist." >> it is a pleasure to be here. i have a privilege of speaking to this forum before. it is always a great honor to be here, especially in a magnificent room like this. let me begin with a disclaimer. although as i president of the policy toward afghanistan and pakistan last winter and spring, he lived up to his commitment to me w

people don't refer to you for islam they refer to people like shaikh osama bin laden. my brother is in al qaeda. i am involved in a military campaign. >> you call them your brothers. do you mean that? >> of course. every muslim in the world is my brother. >> these people ladies and gentlemen have a good look. they think if you kill children and women you go to heaven. you have no chabs in hell -- can i speak. i would like to say this is not an ideology, it is a mental illness. >> and stopping it from spreading may be the most important battle for britain today. who try to quit cold turkey will be unsuccessful. if you haven't been able to quit smoking, you haven't failed, maybe your method of quitting has. but you can do it. you may just need the right tools. clinical guidelines recommend treatment and support to improve your chances of quitting smoking. why not get all the help you can? make a plan, get support, and talk to your doctor about prescription treatment options that can help you quit smoking. and to find out more, go to rethinkyourquit.com in wolfansto. over

osama bin laden's father was born there. it was the scene of the 2000 bombing of the "u.s.s. cole."which 17 american sailors died. terrorists are seeking safe haven there. the alleged christmas day plane bomber was armed and trained in yemen. with more on the fallout on that, here's abc's yunji de nies. who is with the president in hawaii this morning. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, dan. the president is leaving hawaii later today. he's leaving a day early because aides say he has a lot on his plate. he wants to get straight back to work. the first thing on his agenda? he has to meet with the agency heads to figure out with what went wrong. he's linked the suspect to al qaeda. in a rare move yesterday, the director of the national counterterrorism center issued a statement that officials know with absolute certainty that al qaeda and those who support its ideology continue to refine their methods to test our defenses and pursue an attack on the homeland. with so many accusation of an intelligence failure, the president wants a much more comprehensive review in the c

. >> sean: these terrorists come from wealthy backgrounds and families for example osama bin laden son of a billionaire construction guy in saudi arabia. atta son of wealthy egypt doctor. this kid comes from a wealthy background. hillary clinton said we cannot stop terrorism or defeat ideologues of violent extremism when hundreds of millions of people see a future with no jobs, no hope, no way to catch up to the developed world. so we're responsible? poverty is responsible for extremism? >> i've never bought into that theory. if you look in the background of the individuals apprehended don't forget the veries in great britain this reason detroit terrorist, major hasan, that doesn't fit. it is an ideological war some have embraced it. they may be rich, poor, but poverty isn't driving it. >> sean: is america less safe because barack obama is our president? >> no. listen one of the things we have to remind ourselves to continue president bush's policy in iraq, more troops in afghanistan. where the president, i think needs to reassert his leadership, is after math of this incident to make

they refer to chic osama bin ladin, i happen to be in a political war. my brothers in al qaeda are involved in the military campaign. >> reporter: you call them your brothers, do you mean that? >> of course. >> reporter: al qaeda? >> every muslim in the world is my brother. >> these people, have a good look at them. they actually think if you kill women, you kill children you will go to heaven. i would like to say it's not an ideology, it's a mental illness. >> reporter: and stopping it from spreading may be the most important battle for britain today. building my friendships, my family, while i was building my life, my high cholesterol was contributing to plaque buildup in my arteries. that's why my doctor prescribed crestor. she said plaque buildup in arteries is a real reason to lower cholesterol. and that along with diet, crestor does more than lower bad cholesterol, it raises good. crestor is also proven to slow the buildup of plaque in arteries. crestor isn't for everyone, like people with liver disease, or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may b

the cia was working with the bomber to get information about osama bin laden's right-hand man. this weekend, al jazeera aired video of him vowing for revenge for the killing of a taliban leader. one of the cia workers killed in that attack was laid to rest in massachusetts yesterday. harold brown jr. lived in northern virginia for the past several years. the 37-year-old leaves behind his wife and threeoung children. >>> this new year has been a challenging one for president obama. he's prodding congressional democrats to finish up a health care bill. his first state of the union address is weeks away and he's been forced to address sho shortcomings in national security. all of this comes as his majority party fights to stay that way in this year's midterm elections. brian mooar reports from capitol hill. >> reporter: a day after getting more bad news on jobs and the economy, president obama is touting health care reform as a way to help struggling americans. >> we're fixing our broken health insurance system that's crushing families, eating away at workers' take-home pay, and n

they consider as the head of the snake as osama bin laden calls us.they have driven the global agenda against the united states using the most violent of means. that doesn't mean there aren't individual actors inspired by that same ideology or other ideologies who might want to do us harm. one concern that i don't share is at some point the environmentalist movement, which has some violent tendencies, groups like -- there are a couple of extreme groups considered domestic terrorist organizations who have attacked individuals and set fire to developments, potential violent tendencies in groups like that ultimately to disrupt the international economic order or national security. i am not sure i buy that. but it does suggest the need to look beyond the current paradigm of al qaeda itself as the foremost french and it continues to be a threat. but what is beyond that? small groups using catastrophic means to attack the united states for ideological interests or for profit. these are things we need to be thinking about. is something we need to press our i

afghanistan but to send more aid to pakistan, where we believe a lot of these al qaeda leaders, like osama bin laden, may actually be hiding out. so what you're seeing from this administration is a bit of a shift to make sure that pakistan is part of the focus as well, brooke. >> mr. navez, just want to get you to react on that real quickly here. do you think additional aid, additional troops, additional funding is it, is a solution here? >> i think additional aid most definitely but not just the united states but training from nato and other allies is very critical. what's very important is to strengthen the civilian component in this because it's not solely the military's job to fight terror, particularly in the hinterline. that is where israeli has an advantage over pakistan where it has a well-established system. institutions need to be strengthened, better training, better equipment. >> the author of "cross swords, pakistan and its army within." and ed henry for us in hawaii. gentlemen, we thank you both. >>> british prime minister gordon brown wants to stem the seemingly growing tide of

what clinton did when he put the previous bombers in jail instead of letting them get away like osama bin laden. >> larry: bay, what did you make of the president today? >> you know, i think it's a little bit too late is what it is. i think what he did today was right and he took responsibility, as stephanie said, as he well should. look what happened here. this was an attempted act of war against the united states of america. we had al ckqaeda moving an operative on an american plane, putting him in a specific seat to do this crime. the president took days to respond. they treat this fellow, reading him his miranda rights instead of getting an interrogation where we can get serious information. they didn't notify the other pilots. larry, did they do anything right is what i want to ask? this is a commander in chief who looks to me like he's not certain what to do when something goes wrong. he has to study it a couple weeks. we need better. >> larry: mark, how do you deal with the delicate balance between the constitution and rights of any individual, to presumption of innocence, the righ

. >> yes, ma'am antiis the ancestral home of osama bin laden. as for whether u.s. troops might be sent there, the administration's top counter- terrorism advisor says that is not under discussion. >>> the world's tallet building is opening in dubai today. the actual height remain as you closely guarded secret but it is believed to be nearly 2700 feet tall which isnearly a thousand feet taller than the world's tallest building in taiwan and it is almost two empire state buildings. it will house luxury apartments, offices and a hotel. >>> there is a consumer alert this morning. cell phones could soon come with a new warning label in the name of safety. >>> but up next, culd the new proposal cause some unnecessary panic. we'll explain. >>> think it is cold here in the district. how about 11 below in parts of can the country and even worse. >> it is cold almost everywhere across the u.s. this morning. we have more cold on the way. i know folks are talking about snow. we'll answer that question as well. julie wright is here with a look at this morning's rush hour traffi

back and re-examine the spies they have working in the region and this will slow down the hunt for osama binen. nic robertson, cnn, jordan. >>> back in the u.s., a not guilty plea today from a suspected collaborator in last september's alleged terror plot in new york. the 25-year-old is accused of getting trained by al qaeda. he's also an alleged associate of azazi, charged with plotting an attack in new york that would have coincided with the eighth anniversary of 9/11. his passport was taken away on thursday. he was arrested later that night after a traffic accident in new york. another man is also pleaded not guilty in association with the zazi case. >>> he's considered the mayor of a place most people probably hope to avoid. we'll take you inside one man's determined crusade to clean up los angeles' skid row. >>> and the human cost of government budget cuts. how one state's efforts to reduce spending are taking a toll on the most vulnerable. >>> it is a place that tracks thousands of people every year. people who are homeless and many who are without hope. one man who experienced life on

attempted attack by the young nigerian on christmas day and also the purported audio message from osama bin laden harold that attack and assuming responsibility for it, i'm curious to hear your thoughts regarding the connection between islammist organizations and young muslims in western africa, specifically nigeria, i'm curious to hear what your opinion is behind the driving factors of the youth accepting and embracing the islammist i'd ologies. >> well volumes have been written on that but let me say briefly that there is a connection between young people and the efforts to radicalize them that are promoted, sponsored, financed by al qaeda and other extreme ordinary cares. with a very narrow definition of islam, and they have been quite effective on the internet, as you know. we can track connections between not just the christmas day bomber, but the fort hood shooter, the shooter at the little rock military recruitment station, and can see that they were at least listening to and interacting with very extreme voices on the side of of islammist ideology. nigeria, which is, as you know, ev