underscore the effect in history, after 9/11, when american troops went interest -- into kandahar and osama bin laden's compound, they und a copy of begin's memoir, and he wanted to know how a terrorist leader becomes a prime minister and wins the nobel peace prize. it's a trick that very few people have accomplished. after the british left, begin turned his attention to palestinians and there's a little village outside of jerusalem. i visited it. now a psychiatric hospital. very weird. the psychiatrists have their offices in what were palestinian homes and the grounds are occupied by lunatics but it's -- it was a palestinian village that the peaceful village, they had a nonaggression pact with their ultra orthodox neighbors but begin determined it was a strategic place in the city and had to be taken. so there were some initial resistens and begin's men went through the village throwing grenades through the windows, killing entire families. was a massacre. 20 minute who survived war tone to quarry and shot. some of the women and children who were survivors, who were placed on a flatbed truck a

in the 80's we supported the mujahedin, osama bin laden against the russians. they begged us to come and help us against the iraqis on their border during the first gulf war and then osama bin laden got upset we were over there. so he declared jihad against america. in 93, we didn't do anything necessarily militarily going over there. then september 11 happens. then we have to go over there. cape pull out, our training is going to come back up. if we get hit again, how much does it cost us? we spent so much money over there right now. you said $800 billion in afghanistan. forget about the other failed states. not have it cost us to to go over there to defeat these guys? you have raised a very important point. this issue of terrorism has morphed and changed dramatically since 2001. it's not centered in afghanistan any longer. there are pockets of oasis or al qaeda in various parts of the world and we are not going to be able to solve the problem of terrorism in afghanistan alone. and we are not going to be able to solve this problem with only the military. we ne

and since we supported the mujahedin, osama bin laden against the russians, and then upon the russians leaving, saudi arabia basically from what i understand begged us to help them against the iraqis that were all on their border during the first gulf war and osama bin laden got upset we were over there, said that he declared basically jihad against america. in 93 we didn't do anything necessarily militarily going over there. we got hit with the cold, didn't do anything in september and we have to go over there. so if we pull out, our training camps to get back up. if we get hit again, how much does it cost us if we get it as a major economical issue. >>, we spent so much money over there right now you could $100 billion in afghanistan alone, forget about some of the other failed states. what does it cost us to not go to have to go over there to defeat these guys that create training camps and water america. >> this is an important point here and that is if we are not here, then what. >> i understand what has happened is that this issue of terrorism has more than changed dramatically s

through the '80s, we supported the mujahadin, osama bin laden against the russians. then upon the russians leaving, saudi arabia basically, from what i understand, begged us to come and help them against the iraqis that were all on their border during the first gulf war. and then osama bin laden got upset we were over there, so then he declared basically jihad against america. we got hit in '93. we didn't do anything necessarily militarily going over there. we got hit on the cole, we didn't do anything. then september 11th happens, we have to go over there. if we pull back out, our training camps will have to go back up. if we get hit again, what will it cost us? major economic issues. we spent so much money over there right now, you said $800 billion in afghanistan alone, forget about yemen or the other failed states. what does it cost us to not go -- to have to go over there to defeat these guys that attack training camps and want to hurt america? >> david, thank you. you've raised an important point. if we're not there, then what? let's understand what has actuall

at the time they were led by a young, charismatic leader, called osama bin laden.says he left afghanistan the second time, without ever firing a shot in battle. >> slahi: when i saw that the afghanis were butchering each other-- i was completely disgusted. >> williams: the first time you- - you went to afghanistan, what did your family think? >> slahi: they thought i was a nitwit. >> williams: a nitwit? >> slahi: yes. i should never have gone to afghanistan. i had a scholarship that many people in the whole world dreamed to have. and what i did, i threw everything away and i went to afghanistan. this is the definition of a nitwit. >> williams: and when you left afghanistan for the second time, did you still consider yourself a member of al qaeda? >> slahi: absolutely not. i cut all my ties with the organization. to me, i joined for the sake of participating in jihad in afghanistan. jihad in afghanistan turned into a quagmire. i did not want to be part of a civil war. and i went back. thank god i resumed my studies. i finished college. and i worked to help my family

ron johnson: he deserves credit for ordering the attack on osama bin laden and killing that terrorist, the fact of the matter is that we haven't had al qaeda-directed, massive scale attacks here in the u.s. and that's a good thing, but we have seen these inspired lone wolves. we've really seen them proliferate around the world. the strategic blunder of just historic proportions bugging out of iraq, not leaving a stabilizing force has caused the events in syria to spin out of control and allowed the genocide of no less than half a million syrians and the rise of isis. i don't think we would've seen isis rise to this level had we left a stabilizing force behind. so president obama has an awful lot to account for, don't give think the world is in far greater turmoil and america is less safe after 8 years of his administration. sharyl: will it be something that can be turned around in short order? sen. ron johnson: well, we certainly witnessed after the carter administration, ronald reagan coming in and reestablishing america's credibility around the world. that's going to be a challenge

conduct drone strikes against suspected protocol in syria last month in a deadly attack on one of osama bin's sons-in-law. that is previously the cia would find the terrorists but then the military would launch the attack. the obama administration said that was to provide transparency and accountability. >>> and a human rights advocacy group is accusing syria of starving its own citizens. a new report by physicians for human rights claims bashar al assad's government blocked aid convoys and made sure some deliveries didn't have enough supplies. >>> secretary of state rex tillerson is in japan this morning on his first official trip to asia, but a controversy is following him. the "new york times" state attorney's office said tillerson allegedly used an e-mail alias as ceo of exxon to discuss climate change. exxon is being investigated for misleading investors and the public about climate change. the a.g. used an account known as wayne tracker. for seven years. >>> and the marines top commander was on capitol hill facing tough questions about a nude photo scandal. general robert neller admit

host: our conversation is with peter bergen, written a number of books, including "the osama bin laden i know," and back in :001, the book "holy war inc. inside the secret world of bin laden." in seattle, washington, good morning. caller: good morning. i appreciate the program and the ability to ask questions. i was curious in your research of what you found. when i see a lot of these attacks, the first thing that think of is where did they get these ideas? were they finding them on the internet or was that perhaps somebody at their mosque? if you look at any other influence and the prevalence of money and financing more radical ideologies and mosques, and have you made any connections or seeing any common threads there? guest: very good question. what we are seeing, myself and my research team, is overwhelmingly, ukulele in the last two years or three years -- particularly in the last two or three years, the are getting ideas from the internet. often, mosques in this country turn out to be -- they will often have a conversation with someone who is trying to get , and theove aside mosq

when osama bin laden was killed, secretary of defense under president obama, and is co-founder of the panetta institute for public policy. in the last few weeks the president has told his military that there are terrorist attacks no one knows about because the press covers them up. he's described the news media as the enemy of the american people. he has likened his own intelligence agencies to nazis. and now we have the wiretapping charge against president obama. is it appropriate to ask whether the president is having difficulty with rationality? >> scott, the coin of the realm for any president is trust, trust of the american people in the credibility of that president. and when he says the things that he says, in particular this allegation about wiretapping that has no bit of evidence to support it, it raises concerns about trust in the president because there are one or two conclusions you draw. one is that he says these things knowing that they're not true in order to divert the public, and if he's doing that, he's misusing the powers of the presidency. or he truly believes that

the cia using its new strike authority in syria last month to kill a son-in-law in osama bin laden who was believed to be al qaeda's number two official. the cia would locate terrorists, but turn to the military to launch air strikes. to provide transparency, and they say, accountability. >>> next tonight, the marine's top commander on capitol hill facing tough questions about the nude photo scandal now widening. commandant, robert neller offering responsibility and candid answers among a grilling erol hill. you will see the moment, and here's abc's chief global affairs correspondent, martha raddatz. >> reporay, mmdant general robert neller on capitol hill facscandal rocking the mar corps head on. >> we all have to itcomm to get rid of this perversion to our culture. enough is enough. >> reporter: the outrage growing after the discovery of hundreds marines, originally linked to a facebook page called "marines united." but even as some of those women are speaking out, the photos are popping up on other pages. >> do you agree with me this is one of the darkest moments and it needs to fix

friday is the sixth anniversary of the death of osama bin laden.jack kerouac birthday celebration in lowell, massachusetts. >> glor: that is "charlie rose: the week" for this week. for all of us, i'm jeff glor. thanks for watching. we leave you this evening with a look at the forthcoming documentary "patsy cline, american masters." the film about the life and legacy of the famed country music singer on pbs march 4. you can check your local liftsings. we'll see you next tiems. ♪ i go out walk after midnight >> my grandmother realized my mom had talent, but i don't know if she ever knew just how much talent there was. >> it would have been amazing to see how she would have developed. we got cheated out of that. >> anybody cares to shake leg, go ahead. we don't care which one it is. >> she was just kind of a tough girl, you know, singing these really sensitive songs. so it's kinds of a cool juxtaposition there. i feel like you could go out and have a drink with her, but she could also beat your ass ♪ down by the riverside down by the riverside ♪ >> yo

a son-in-law of osama bin laden, al-masri has been implicated in the 1998 bombings of two american embassies in africa, which killed more than 200 people. al-masri-- the name means he's from egypt-- was a longtime confidant of another egyptian, ayman al-zawahri, who became the leader of al qaeda after bin laden was killed by u.s. navy seals. in the years after 9/11, al-masri fled to iran, where he reportedly spent a decade under h use arrest, but also beyond the reach of american drone strikes. after his release, he went to syria, where al qaeda has been .ttempting to take advantage of the chaos caused by the civil war to establish a new base of operations. al-masri was back in business, but also back in range of drone strikes, and on sunday, the c.i.a. found him one last time. isis is the main target, but now drones have killed about 10 senior al qaeda leaders in syria ng the 2.5 years since the u.s. began conducting air strikes there. scott. >> pelley: david martin across the river at the pentagon. david, thank you. coming up next on the cbs evening news, hundreds of women m o worked for a

>> i think when we look at the reasons that osama bin laden gave for fighting against the united states, they were very clear. they were often very political. so israel would be mentioned. autocracies in the middle east. when i spoke to people who were associated with isis, it was a very different type of hatred. they would emphasize this concept of loyalty and disavowal. loyalty to all muslims, disavowal and hatred of non- muslims. so, for them, it was an inherent obligation of their religion to hate me. and they would even say after the most friendly interactions, "oh, by the way, we still hate you." >> reporter: in your view, is one of the key factors that separates isis from al qaeda the fact that the group declared a caliphate, territory? >> one is that they had territory. they had a state that they called people to come to join by migration to the state. whereas al qaeda was sending people out to attack from their bases. i see isis as, in a way, being two separate entities. one is the territorial entity in iraq and syria that's subject to the local dynamics of syrian and iraqi pol

a son-in-law of osama bin laden, he has been implicated in the 1998 bombings of two american embassies in africa, which killed more than 200 people. the name means he's from egypt, was a long-time confidant of al zawah zawahri. in the years after 9/11, al masri fled to iran and spent a decade under house arrest, but also beyond the reach of american drone strikes. after his release, he went to syria, where al qaeda has been attempting to take advantage of the chaos caused by the civil war to establish a new base of operations. he was back in business but also back in range of drone strikes. on sunday, the cia found him one last time. isis is the main target, but now drones have killed about ten senior al qaeda leaders in syria, in the 2 1/2 years since the u.s. began conducting air strikes there. scott? >> david martin at the pentagon. david, thank you. >>> coming up next, hundreds of women who worked for a huge jewelry chain claim they are victims of sexual misconduct. the valiant taste times of death, but once!! uh, excuse me, waiter. i ordered the soup... of course, ma'am. my apolog

host: our conversation is with peter bergen, written a number of books, including "the osama bin laden i know," and back in :001, the book "holy war inc. inside the secret world of bin laden." in seattle, washington, good morning. caller: good morning. i appreciate the program and the ability to ask questions. i was curious in your research of what you found. when i see a lot of these attacks, the first thing that think of is where did they get these ideas? were they finding them on the internet or was that perhaps somebody at their mosque? if you look at any other influence and the prevalence of money and financing more radical ideologies and mosques, and have you made any connections or seeing any common threads there? guest: very good question. what we are seeing, myself and my research team, is overwhelmingly, ukulele in the last two years or three years -- particularly in the last two or three years, the are getting ideas from the internet. often, mosques in this country turn out to be -- they will often have a conversation with someone who is trying to get , and theove aside mosq

and osama bin laden slipped through and we searched for him. it is important they don't get out and get to libya or whatever they want to go. >> lou: it is important to show it is not a nice tidy. we are talking about sunni insurgent force and kurds, the islamic state. this is and russian forces as well. this is, one general described it, these forces are within a grenade's throw of one another. this is also fraught with danger and unintended consequences, is it not? >> that's correct, that's why we have the chairman of the joint chief of staff talking to the counterpart and talk to the end of the islamic caliphate and find us confronting russian and turkish forces. and all of that shows the heightened seriousness for the slow road to the capital city. i hope we are close to the end. >> lou: we had thought we were close to the nebbed mosul and that was protracted and this as you caution may be protracted as well. we should point out that raqqan is less than a hundred miles from the border of turkey. and the turks are making their displeasure we

president obama risked his entire year on trusting his judgment about osama bin laden. he just said last week that the belief the newspaper is the enemy of the american people quote may be the greatest threat to democracy in my life time. [applause] ask john mccain and finally in this building are there othe the the the the the and the the the -- ask john mccain, another patriot. finally, reporters around the world who died in pursuit of what they thought to be the truth and their names are in museums in memorial so their services never forgotten. , this may be the first said, imy career, as i thought it was important to make the speech. but i have, we all have bipartisan responsibilities to this nation to defend principles that have long made america the beacon of hope and as ronald reagan said the shining city on the hill. to protect the institutions that made it possible for these principles to be sustained. we are all respected around the world as i said many times and been criticized for saying not merely for the example of our power but the power of our example. t

president obama risked his entire presidential career on trusting his judgment about osama bin laden. he just said last week that the believe that the news media -- belief that the news media is the enemy of the american people -- be the greatest threat to guest: was he talking about obamaent trump or when was trying to throw fox news out? obama did just of that pretty it was pretty egregious -- did just that. -- it was pretty egregious. words.s been a war of i do not think it's particularly smart for the administration to going to war with the media. my advice would be bypassed the media. no president has understood the tools better the donald trump with twitter, social media, the ability to hold press conferences. he is a great communicator. reagan had the same problem. the press was hostile when he arrived. what did he do? he spoke directly to the american people. national addresses, saturday radio dresses. he would go out to the organizations and groups and we shall to union. the president has a lot of tools. -- he would go out to the .rganizations and groups and d we have critici

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>> for example, there was a time where he got a copy of a biography of osama bin laden and he thought that he had a point. this is an important issue and it takes me back to september 11 and the events of september 11. they were tragic, evil, and a crime. as arabs and muslims, even if we think we have been victims, we should not repay this with crime . it makes a nonsense of our ethical system. my son dropped the idea and moved on, but is representative of a category of man or woman who may look at certain actors within our world and say that these are hero like and that they made a big sacrifice. i want to transform the negative energy. islam do you believe that is more resistant to liberalization with the appreciation of diversity that you argued for in the book? >> i think that this is a cultural representation and that systems andiarchal this is a heartland of islam and transmittedlanguage and i think that, if you look more broadly, what happens will transmit to the islamic world. if you look at the clerical structures within the islamic andd, it is very top-down will these are pe

has in mind what happened after over throw of the taliban, al qaeda regime in afghanistan, what osama bin laden, escaped through the net. and got into pakistan, we faced years of searching for him. it is important that no further islamic state leaders get out of dodge in this case to libya or yemen or whatever they are going to go. lou: and also important we not present this as a nice, tidy operation there. when i talked about raqqa surrounded, we're talking about sunni insurgensurgent -- insurgents forces and kurds. and russian forces as well. this is and one general described it as, these forces all are within a grenade's throw of one another. this is also fraught with danger and unintended consequences is it not? >> that is correct. that is why we had the chairman of joint chiefs of staff, presumably talking to his russian and turkish counterparts as we get down to hopefuly the end of the islamic state caliphate to avoid mistakes that could find us confronts russians or confronting turkish soldiers that would be extraordinary bad for obvious reasons. i think this shows hightened seriou

patriot.ked hi president obama risked his entire presidential career on trusting his judgment about osama bin laden. he just said last week that the belief that the news media is the enemy of the american people quote may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime. >> guest: was he talking about trump are when barack obama tried to throw fox news out of the white house press corps and remove their press credentials could i forget which incident was he talking about? we forget other presidents havee had little wars with the press. at obama did just that and i think it was pretty egregious. donald trump has not removed or discredited or took credentials away from any press organization. there's been a a war of words, there's been some tension. i don't think it's particularly smart for the administration ton go to war with the media. my advice would be bypassed the media. no president has understood the tools to do that better than conald trump with twitter, social media, the bill to hold press conferences, youtube, all that stuff.un he's a great communicator. reagan had the same problem

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through the 80s we supported osama bin laden against the russians. upon the russians leaving saudi arabia begged us to come help against the iraqi who are on their border during the first gulf war. and then bin laden got upset where over there and declared jihad against america. we got hit 93 and into anything militarily. we got hit with a cold and into anything and that september 11 happened.t the so we pull out our training camp is going to go back up. if we get hit again, how much did it cost us if we get hit bad set major economical issues? we spent so much money over there right now you said $800 billion in afghanistan and forget about the other failed states, what does it cost us to not have to go over there to defeat these guys they create training camps want to hurtoingt america? >> you raised an important point. if we are not there, then what? let's understand that what is happened is this issue of terrorism has morphed and changed dramatically since 2001. it is not centered in afghanistan, there are pocketsee of isis or al qaeda and various

osama. did you name him after bin laden? >> yeah. >> reporter: you did?es, and i'm proud of it. >> reporter: why? >> because the man is a hero. what's the problem with that? >> oh, he killed 3,000 people at a very conservative estimate. >> reporter: >> if we have to condemn everybody who kills people, how will -- hell will be full. >> wow. senior international correspondent clarissa ward is with me now. jaw, pull it back up. i mean, are you kidding me? he's saying this, not masked. how did you land this interview? tell me more about this. >> i mean, eunice is an exceptional case because he provides a very rare and unfiltered. >> totally. >> that's the key look mindset of a western jihadi who has come back from isis and unrepented about his time there and would even like to go back. we do see hundreds of isis fighters from europe who have gone back to europe, but for the most part when i've tried to talk to them they want to hide their faces and disguise their voices. they don't want to give their real flame. eunice, on the other hand, is very loud and pro

if 95% of our supplies were depend on pakistan, that was going to make the operation against osama binaden a lot harder to pull off. in fact, the night before that operation, the day before that operation, i was in with the president make a phone call to a central asian leader precisely to do one more enhancement to ndn because we word about what might happen if our supplies from pakistan got cut off. i tell you that in detail because the russians allowed american soldiers to fly to the airspace first time since world war ii. they sold us jet fuel for our airplane that then went and fought in the war in afghanistan. some might even say this is close to military alliance that we were doing. that's a pretty big deal. that's a big operation of cooperation. third, i ran with the russians we put in place the most comprehensive set of sanctions ever against the arena regime, u.n. security council resolution 1929. 1929. does not happen without russia. and then four of the security i always liked remind people nonevents, dogs that don't bark, think you'll read about. again, gw, this is a weird

there are connections with pakistan's connections to the taliban and that osama bin laden was found intan. all three men were unanimous, no, there no need. >>> a florida man was accused of setting a convenience store on fire wanting to run the arabs out of our country. they say richard lloyd told them he thought the owners were muslim and that he was doing his part for america. he has been charged and officials are investigating whether it was a hate crime. the store owners are actually of indian dissent. the fire did not cause much damage to their store. >>> one of the biggest shopping malls in germany was closed saturday over fears of a possible terror atk. police say they received concrete indications there was a plan to attack this mall here in the western city of essen. police questioned two men and raided at least one apartment in a nearby town. germany is on high alert after attacks last year, some of which had been claimed by isis. security analysts say hackers targeted european governments in thousands of cyberattacks last year. as some nations get closer to crucial elections,

you know what osama bin laden did he know said. he never thought george w. bush would actually do anything. and then they were surprised. they're in afghanistan saying my gosh we didn't anticipate that. >> greg: that was a great impression of bin laden did he know, by the way. >> dana: thanks, just trying. friday. any way, we have to win. if we win basically you fill their media up with the fact that they're total losers, if it looks like a losing proposition you don't join. >> kimberly: that they're getting their butts whooped. >> juan: model listen all bright is talking, is he she says when the president uses talk will islamic jihad it's a recruiting tool. >> jesse: down i made a list. gitmo, saying islam nick extremist, climate change, air conditioners, internet, hollywood, travel ban, lack of jobs. drone strikes, board dom. boredom, george w. bush, fox news all recruiting tools for terrorism. >> greg: i'm going to add juan williams. >> juan: watch out. still to come hilarious late night laughs with president bush on jimmy kimmel. highlights. straight ahe

if 95% of our supplies were dependent on pakistan, that was going to make the operation against osama bin laden a lot harder to pull off. the night before that operation -- the day before the operation i was with the president making a phone call to a central asian leader precisely to do one more enhancement to ndn because we were worried about what might happen if our supplies from pakistan got cut off. i tell you that in detail because the russians allowed american soldiers to fight through their airspace. the first time since world war ii. they sold us jet fuel for the airplane. some might even say this is close to a military alliance that we were doing. that's a pretty big deal. that is a big operation of cooperation. with the russians we put in place of this conference of set of sanctions ever against iranian regime. un security council resolution 1929 does not happen without russia. i like to remind people of nonevents. dogs that do not bark, things you don't read about. this is kind of a weird place. there are probably five people in this room writing to thesis about the color reso