i wonder whether osama bin laden knew this was at stake and he stopped doing this. what makes it more intriguing is that the 2010 letter from osama bin laden -- he was reluctant. he made a mistake. if that is the case, why did he bring on the fold? the letters are open to interpretation. the -- it could be addressed to us some of the maya. it seems to be about osama bin laden's refuses to admit -- this offer is critical of the fact then -- the more we include, this is a sign of god. i have a suspicion it may not be who we think it is. it would not reject the be wrong. >> before i turn it over to the audience, i want to ask you a question about this process. this 17 documents, reportedly several thousand were captured. it you made the appropriate provisos about how you understand 17 documents and replace them with the context of other stuff that was not released and even then, what do you not see? what is the value of declassifying releasing this information to us? this has come up and there of folks to criticize this process. i am a supporter of this kind of disclosu

wife, joyce, of 56, 57 years had repeatedly after 9/11 woken up and said to you, don, where's osama bin laden. and my issue with you when you say that president obama is weak is how weak can a president be when he ordered the hit on osama bin laden and he took him out? only today we saw another senior al qaeda member, abu yahya al libi yesterday get taken out. this is a series of victories that president obama has had using predominantly in this case drone attacks where, again, there is no loss of life to america troops. it's a very different way of going about taking out the bad guys. and there are lots of people who say this not a sign of weakness for president obama, it is a more sophisticated and smarter way of deploying the american military than the one that you and george bush deployed. >> well, you keep saying i said he's the weakest, and i've said once and i'll say one more time only that i was asked a question. in my adult life if you look at the presidents, how would you rank them on that subject, and i said i would rank this president as a general leader up with president carter.

bin laden, great. i think it's great that he gave the call to go in and use the navy s.e.a.l.s and capture osama bin ladenys going to go down in the history books as that having happened on his watch. he shares credit with george bush on that because there's no way he would have been able to go capture osama bin laden had it not been for the infrastructure put in place by the previous administration. that's a fact. we can agree whether or not he would have used s.e.a.l. team 6 or another manner, but the fact remains that infrastructure was put in place by the bush administration. >> let me bring in ben. syria is a real quagmire. nothing like anything else we've seen so far. what do you think the smart thing for obama to do is? >> i think rumsfeld did have a point, that all of this talk of sanctions does not seem to be effective. the choice obama faces is whether to intervene militarily. i don't think anybody is saying send in the marines. >> he can't do that because you've got the chinese and the russians and the iranians stacking up on the other side. you can't have american troops going in now but what

. >>> it's been called the biggest setback for al qaeda since the death of osama bin laden. abu yahya al libi, terrorist organization's second in command, was killed by a u.s. drone strike monday in pakistan. they say he was a leader with skills hard to be replaced. bob orr reports. >> reporter: abu yahya al libi was one of the last remaining pillars at the core of al qaeda. he was often the public face of terror. appearing in dozens of videos, urging new strikes against the u.s. and its allies. but the charismatic terrorist was more than a propagandaist. al libi said on al qaeda's governing council and was top deputy to al zawahiri. u.s. officials say al libi was at the center of planning new attacks and coordinating al qaeda's outreach to top affiliates like al qaeda in yemen. as a veteran jihadist who was a trusted aide to osama bin laden, al libi was viewed inside al qaeda as something of a star. and he burnished that reputation with a brazen escape in 2005 from a u.s. military prison at the bagram air base in afghanistan. this is the wanted poster circulated after his b

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bush made the dead or alive comment about osama bin laden just days after the 9/11 attacks and he was la mbasted. >> they did the same thing with ronald reagan. a cowboy. the new york times which almost never finds anything to criticize this president about in the lead editorial on thursday said that his ability to decide like cesar thumbs up or thumbs down on the coliseum is too much power for a president. so at least we know according to the new york times where the line is with this president for too much power. >> does this kind of leak,. >> doug: did i, have any effect on national -- does this kind

give it to the president, he got osama bin laden. he is not reluctant to send drones. you can see by the effects, the number-2 guy today with a drone. that is not setting back his short suit. the bigger problem is the economy. unless you are trying to use the national security as a distraction from the economy, it doesn't make sense to me. >> i am with you. i would say, well don osama bin laden and the drone attacks are a good tactical program. he did a lousy job of leaving iraq early. you are not taking assad on and how do the iranians believe we will do something with them if we leave iraq in chaos and we won't deal with assad and we talk about leaving afghanistan. strategeically, he has made a mess, but tactically, the drone attacks and the osama bin laden raid were good things. but the leaks have one common thing -- they are painting this president, right before his election, as a strong leader on national security. they are doing it in a way that our allies will not help us in the future, they are putting people at risk. the pakistani doctor -- how do we know abou

it's confusion-- oh, osama bin laden, kate upton and michelle. that's an easy one. ( laughter ) with a kill list, how do we make sure we're minimizing any sort of non-supposed-to-be-related killed. >> we have at our disposal, tools that make avoidance of civilian casualties much easier. ( laughter ) >> jon: i guess the drones are booing bimetric readings and cross-references dobses of known criminals. that's probably how we do it, i would guess. >> president obama has ordered that all military-aged males killed within range of a drone strike be counted as enemy combatants. >> jon: or we could just change the meaning of the words. that's other way. you could just change change the meaning of "civilians" and any females we end up kill. they're not women. they're ninjas. ( laughter ) ( applause ) look, if the president can just change the meaning of words, why can't the rest of us? hey, you know what? you don't have to worry about decriminalizing pot. from now i'm just going to call it smokeable beer ( cheers and applause ) now it's legal! please te

. -- osama bin laden. pakistan is getting billions of dollars from the united states, and yet they are supporting osama bin laden. i do not think it was much of a mansion, but they call it in mansion. i would not want to live in it personally. but it was big. it was the biggest house in the area by far, and it was right next to their military academy, where all their best soldiers are. that are very good militarily. they know what is going on. do you think they do not know what is living in that house? how stupid are we. -- how stupid are we? we are giving him billions of dollars. a caucus made to the president. the call says the following. we think we have osama bin laden. let us assume anybody in this room is president. i give the military tremendous kudos. there are three things we can do. leave him alone? we do not want to touch him. you can do three things. leave him alone. we do not want to touch him. we can go in and get him, or a drop a missile on him. i would have said that, i think. it would have

the media, chasing after any story linked to osama bin laden reported on the doctor's alleged links with but here's what didn't make many headlines. health officials say all of those bin laden reports hurt the polio campaign. many pakistanis here, deeply conservatives and already suspicious of strangers coming into their home now thought the vaccination cam cam wcampaign ws part of a spy plot. the u.s. pays for these campaigns to destroy muslims and make them slaves, he told us. >> that incident of dr. afridi hurt the rest of the community. >> reporter: health officials here say thousands of pakistani families have yet to vaccinate their children without good reason, but with help of religious leaders they're making progress convincing more families that a free vaccine can save them a lifetime of pain, children like ikra and her family. we've left her in god's hands. >> 200 aid groups were concerned about the plot, concerned about the cia that they wrote general david petraeus, the head of the cia to complain that washington's position remains the same saying the operation was worth it b

. >> jeb's big brother gave up on finding osama bin laden. he gave up just seven months after 9/11. president obama didn't need a role model. he got osama bin laden, and he hasn't stopped, if you look at the numbers. a drone strike killed al libi last week in pakistan. he was al qaeda's second in command. al libi is one of 18 top al qaeda commanders taken out since the president took office. maybe jeb should tip his hat to president obama instead. let's turn to our panel tonight. a number of topics to go after. joy reid with us, of thegrio.com. susan del percio, msnbc contributor, and radio talk show host, and author thom hartmann. all right, why is jeb bush bringing this up? has the president just been too successful, joy, on foreign policy? >> well, you know what, i think that there's always a little bit of a bittersweet edge whenever jeb bush speaks about anything to do with the white house, because i think this is a man who most people believe wanted to be president, probably still wants to be president, so i think me might be now a little wistful, looking at what could have been

they're doing things to kill our people. >> so you believe the pakistani government knew that osama bin laden was in abadabad? >> i think anybody who has any real serious doubts that the pakistani government wasn't giving safe haven to osama bin laden all of these years, that that person is living in never never land. that government is acting like our enemy and we shouldn't give them any more money or any more support. >> the u.s. has given pakistan around $20 billion in economic aid since 9/11. you've been calling to cut off all of that aid. whether we are happy with the relationship with pakistan or not, don't we need that relationship? based on what's happening in afghanistan. pakistan right now is preventing us from resupplying troops in afghanistan through pakistan. don't we need some sort of leverage over pakistan? >> pakistan is the main instigator of the problems we're trying to solve in afghanistan. they've been arming the terrorist groups. they were the country that created the taliban. no, we should not be trying to find reasons of how we could work with pakistan. we should find o

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promise of ending the war, again, or you know, stating that he wouldn't have the nerve to get osama bin ladenink that the governor is picking the wrong fight in this election that he's going to take on barack obama's foreign policy. >> look the killing of osama bin laden was a great achievement for america. governor romney credited the president for that. he gave credit to the intelligence ayensies involved in searching him out. but, the measure of america's foreign policy is how strong is our influence in the world? and our innuance is dependent on two things -- our economic strength and on our military strength. we know how weak this economy is. and in terms of the military we're on a path under this president to cut $1 trillion over the next ten years. it's a combination of this weak economy and a hollowed-out military that's going to be weakening our influence around the world. $1 trillion over the next ten years that's level of reduction that the secretary of defense called devastating. that needs to be changed. but this president hasn't taken any action at all to stop this se quest rati

to past administrations. >> you have spent millions of dollars and lives trying to track down osama bin laden have 40% to 80% or whatever bob said in your confidence. >> 87, i believe is what he said. >> it seems to me that it is a 15-minute decision and the first 14 are for coffee. could it be wrong? you bet. >> and with enormous consequences, ask jimmy carter. failed mission. >> oh, listen, our special forces in the jimmy carter era were so early in their evolution that the investment that the obama administration benefited from, the capabilities they have were developed during their predecessors. and each president has -- >> and you are referring to the bush administration? >> yes, exactly. >> wasn't that fellow rumsfeld the guy that said saddam hussein had nuclear weapons? how long did that decision take for him? that's it for "hardball." up next, "your business" with j.j. ramberg. it's the little things in life that make me smile. spending the day with my niece. i don't use super poligrip for hold because my dentures fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures a

she tells me it had to do with a film being made by osama bin laden and the raid to kill osama bin ladenhat did you mean by that and what agencies are you talking about? >> well, it was found out in a preliminary review of a whole bunch of questions to the intelligence community and other things and it was certainly a serious event, and i think it just was part of a larger broader understanding that there is lots of this kind of thing happening and the level of these leaks just kept getting ratcheted up. it was part of a pattern of activity that led us to believe, at least me as chairman that the preliminary review should lead to a full investigation. there is enough information there about this culture that we have to somehow break, and i am really not at liberty to discuss the agency at this point or the type of medium or media organization. >> okay. i want to get to, well, a big part of this now which seems to be the politics. senator john mccain, you of course know this, made it clear that he believes these leaks have been politically motivated. quick, listen to something senator mcc

navy seals took out osama bin laden a year ago, the u.s. has killed more than a dozen of commeda's senior commanders. orter: bob orr. >> reporter: abu yahya al-libi was one of the last remaining pillars of the core of al qaeda. he appeared in dozens of videos urging new strikes against the u.s. and its allies. alt the charismatic terrorist was more than a propagandist. sl-libi sat on al qaeda's toerning council and as the top deputy to new al qaeda chief fyman al-zawahiri, al-libi oversaw external operations. of. officials say he was at the center of planning new attacks eachcoordinating al qaeda's outreach to top affiliates like al qaeda in yemen. as a veteran jihadist who was a trust aide to osama bin laden, al-libi was viewed inside al qaeda as something like a star and he burnished that reputation ryth a brazen escape in 2005 from a u.s. military prison at n.e bagram air base in th irghanistan. this is the wanted poster that was circulated after his breakout. al-libi made one of his last- known public appearances in this ngdeo last dece

i appreciate, for instance, the decision he made to go after osama bin laden, and to make sure he wasecuted. >> reporter: what grade would you give president obama? >> oh, an "f." there's no question about that. >> reporter: across the board. >> across the board. >> reporter: even despite the killing of osama bin laden. >> look at what's happening in the middle east. the arab spring has become the arab winter. that's hardly a success. and of course, domestically, it's hard to call what, now, 39, 40 months of unemployment above 8% a success when even he said, by now, it would be in the 6% range. and by now, it is not. it's over 8%. >> reporter: what would do you, though, specifically, when you think about the problem of long- term unemployment, what would do you to turn that around in a romney administration? >> you know, one of the things we tried when i was the governor of massachusetts was to create an incentive for employers to actually hire people who had been out of work for a long time. and so we said if you hire someone who has been out of work a year or more, we're going to gi

we confirmed this with records seized from osama bin laden's compaq after his death. we saw this with the plot to bomb the new york subway system in 2009. meanwhile, al qaeda affiliate's have emerged as significant threats. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula operating in yemen has attended several attacks on the united states, including the failed christmas day airline bombing in 2009 and the attempted bombing of u.s.-bound cargo planes in october 2010. most recently, we have a growing concern about the threat from homegrown violent extremists. these individuals have no typical profile. their experiences and motives are often distinct, but they are increasingly savvy and willing to act alone, which makes them difficult to find and stop. in 2009, smadi was a 19-year-old jordanian citizen living in texas, and although he espoused loyal to -- loyalty to al qaeda and some of the modern, he was not affiliated with any groups that would become terrorists. he had become radicalized on his own on the internet. when he expressed clear interest in attacking a dallas skyscraper,

they talk about osama bin laden. think about it. pakistan is getting billions of dollars from the united states, and yet they are supporting osama bin laden. he is living in the biggest house. i personally do not think it was much of a mansion, but they all call it a mansion. i would not want to live in it personally, but it was big, the biggest house in the area by far. it was right next to the military academy, where all their best soldiers are, right? and they are very good militarily in pakistan. do you think they do not know who is living in that house? how stupid are we? he has this huge house, living there for years with his three wives, and we are giving them billions of dollars. so now a call gets made to the president, and the call says the following -- "we think we have osama bin laden." let's assume anybody in this room is president, because i give the military tremendous kudos, the whole group prayed to doze. there are three things you can do. leave him alone. we do not want to touch him. those people, we want to write t

: no one would have picked a 73-year-old, affable former congressman as the one to track down osama bin ladene first told you earlier this year, leon panetta has held the toughest jobs in washington and quietly done what seems impossible. before bin laden, panetta helped balance the federal budget. in a long career, he had been a budget director and white house chief of staff. but by 1997, he left washington and went home to california. it was 12 years later that president-elect obama made an odd request-- would panetta lead the c.i.a.? panetta had never worked in intelligence, but his team put a navy seal in bin laden's bedroom. last summer, the president made panetta secretary of defense, in charge of managing three million employees, fighting three wars, and stopping iran from building an atom bomb. this last january, before the president spoke to the nation, he had a few words for leon panetta. >> president barack obama: good job, tonight. good job tonight. ( applause ) >> pelley: with nearly the entire government assembled for the state of the union address, maybe ten people in the room