and no one heard of osama bin laden until really the world trade center. but about a year, a year and a half before the world trade center, before the book came out i was talking about osama bin laden, you have to kill him, you have to take him out. nobody listened to me. and to this day, i get people coming up to me and they said you know what, one of the most amazing things i've seen about you is that you predicted that osama bin laden had to be killed before he knocked down the world trade center. it's true. most of the press doesn't want

osama bin laden was very big, but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center.is is a man who built a whole, as he would like to call it, a country, a caliphate, and was trying to do it again. >> director, the white house also took a photo of president trump following developments of the raid, okay, just as a photo shows barack obama watching osama bin laden's raid, a photo that you're in. what's your reaction to the killing of al baghdadi and to the president's handling of it? >> well, first, i mean, it is a good thing. it's a great accomplishment, and it's another testament to the professionalism of our special operations forces, and i'm proud to say the absolutely crucial contributions i'm sure intelligence made to this. so from that standpoint, great accomplishment. i really sort of loathe to get into the chest-beating about which terrorist we took down was the bigger. >> right. >> but i would have to argue that i believe osama bin laden had much more impact simply because isis was not responsible for the deaths of thousands of people in this country, which

osama bin laden was very big, but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center. this is a man who built a whole, as he would like to call it, a country. >> a bigger deal than the killing of osama bin laden who was the mastermind behind killing thousands and thousands of people. and that's not to discount the lives lost at the hands of abu bakr al baghdadi and all of the terror that he wreaked as the controller of isis. but still, pretty astounding to hear that from the president of the united states saying this is a bigger deal than the killing of osama bin laden. >> it also fits with the way we've seen president trump portray his policy and military victories as he perceives them over the last three years he's been in office. so much of what his administration has done has been to undo, unravel what president obama had done. while the former president is obviously no longer in office, in some ways he's still the shadow hanging over the west wing because president trump wants his legacy to be, in his view, the president who is better than barack obama. that, i thi

of bin laden was a big thing but this is the biggest there is this is the worst ever osama bin laden was very big but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center this is a man who built a whole. as he would like to call it a country a caliphate. and was trying to do it again and i had not heard too much about his health i've heard stories about he may not have been in good health but he died a he died in a ruthless vicious manner that i can tell you. yes we have people that were taken we have many of the people died on the site but we have people who were taken us and the children we are we left them under care of somebody that week. understand you believe in 11 children 11 children how many adults. i'd rather not say i'd leave that to the generals but it's a small group. more dead than alive. involved with which special operations teams were involved. many of them and at the top level and people that were truly incredible at their craft i've never seen anything like it. it's 1st partnerships curves where there are any other forces involved where there's only american know

experience amazing at your lexus dealer. >>> bin laden was a big thing but this is a big thing. this is the worst ever. osama bin laden was big but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center. this is a man who built a whole, as he would like to call it, a country. >> president trump there taking a victory lap this morning with the announcement that the leader of isis is now dead. joining me now is phillip reince, co-host of podcast unretracted and susan del percio, an nbc analyst. what were your takeaways from the president's remarks and what's your reaction to all of these developments? >> he should have stopped after he read the teleprompter comments and addressed the nation and left it at that. once he started taking questions, it was a complete disaster. i think when he has to prove himself and compare himself to others, it belittles the men and women who put their lives on the line. i think the fact that he said i could not trust the speaker of the house with notifying her is a bad day for america as well as the world is a safer place because of the actions of this country. the president, on

as you know, last month we announced that we recently killed hamza bin laden, the violent son of osama of bin laden who was saying area bad things about our people, our country, and the world. he was the heir apparent to al qaeda. terrorists who oppress and murder innocent people should never sleep soundly knowing that we will completely destroy them. these savage monsters will not escape their fate and they will not escape the final judgment of god. baghdadi has been on the run for many years, long before i took office. at my direction, as commander in chief of the united states, we obliterated his caliphate 100% in march of this year. today's events are a reminder that we will continue to pursue the remaining isis terrorists to their brutal end. that also goes for other terrorist organizations, they are likewise in our sites. baghdadi and the losers who work for him, and losers they are, had no idea what they were getting into. in some cases, they were very frightened puppies. in other cases they were hard-core killers. but they killed many people. their murder of innocent americans

hamza bin laden was a big thing, but this is the biggest there is. this is the worst ever. osama bin laden was very big but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center. this is a man who built a whole, as he would like to call it, a country, a caliphate, and was trying to do it again. i have not heard too much about his health. i heard stories about maybe he may not have been in good health. he died in a ruthless, vicious manner. that i can tell you. >> were there any adults taken? pres. trump: many of the adults died on the site, but we had adults taken. the children, we left them under the care of somebody that we understand. 11 children. >> 11 children, how many adults? pres. trump: i would rather not say. i will leave that to the generals. a small group. more dead than alive. >> which special operations teams were involved? pres. trump: many of them. and at the top level. people who were truly incredible at their craft. >> as far as partnerships, were there any other forces or was this only american troops? pres. trump: only american forces. but we were given great

osama bin laden was very big. but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center. this is a man who built a whole -- as we should like to call it -- a country, a caliphate. he was trying to do it again. >> you might recall this 2012 tweet from donald trump after bin laden's death. stop congratulating obama for killing bin laden. the navy s.e.a.l.s killed bin laden. >>> it's not slowing the pace of house democrats' impeachment probe. the testimony set from a half-dozen national security and state department officials. much of the intrigue hovering over whether today's witness will even show up. >> charles cupperman was the national security adviser for john bolton. he listened in on the july call where president trump wanted ukraine to investigate joe biden. the democrats are standing by the subpoena requiring cup kuppn to testify. zach wolf in washington. >> what is a former white house official supposed to do? the new chapter in the ongoing standoff in the trump administration, and democrats in the house went to a third branch of government on friday. kupperman la

that's how osama bin laden ended up hiding as well, but he wasn't regarded like osama bin laden. >> reporter: no, in fact, natalie, when we spent two months in eastern syria for that final battle against the so-called fiscphysical caliphate spoke with dozens of isis fighters who had been captured. we spoke with isis women, the wives of those fighters, their children, and very few actually even mentioned the name of abu bakr al baghdadi. their affiliation, their loyalty was to what they said "the islamic state." abu bakr al baghdadi appeared just once in public in 2014 in that mosque in mosul, and after that he was largely absent. he was not for instance like osama bin laden whose fame goes back to the 1980s when he led the so-called area knmujahideen. abu bakr al baghdadi was largely unknown in iraq itself, his native land. when he appeared in that mosque in 2014, in mosul, many people had no idea who he was. and so there's sort of a large difference here in the sense that in the western media, particularly the american media, we tend to focus on leaders. but, if you go back and look at the

we saw it play out, frame-by-frame, after he learned only osama bin laden in pakistan and hoping that the details are similar here. >> whilst the osama bin laden raid was deep inside the territory of a sovereign nation, and they were not as speaking and opposed. the other mission was just inside syria. kilometer, three to five miles inside syrian territory, close to the border with turkey. it's an area that's thick with different armed groups. not in that area, any special special forces. other groups that are opposed to bashar al asad. a lot of them extreme in their environment. it would appear that the cia was somehow able to track down baghdadi. and not just track him down but launch, in cooperation with u.s. special forces. a complex raid that eye witnesses would tell us. it involved aircraft, helicopters and also, the deployments on the field. what happened on the battlefield? you have to get on to the ground. you have to get samples whether or not the targets were taken out. all of that requires a high degree of precision and considerable daring, not just getting in but getting

gillian: why do you think the comparison of osama bin laden is relevant? >> you and a lot of folks, the instinct to go back to that operation, you know, why sort of strategically is that -- >> the killing of osama bin laden was retribution and this was strategic. president trump when he came to office he brought senior officials together, senior national officials together and said, we are going to do whatever it takes to kill al-baghdadi and this was the culmination last night in president trump achieving key victory, a big moment for his administration, big moment for our country and big moment for our national security. gillian: were you disappointed that the president didn't brief more of your colleagues, not even necessarily during the runup but in the immediate after math? >> i don't blame the president one single bit, that's the disappointment of the impeachment, ridiculousness of the impeachment and i know that the president did reach out to senate burr and brief others in congress, the statute from 1947 is very vague on who the intelligence committ

what distinguished al baghdadi from, say, osama bin laden, osama bin laden was famous going back decadesin the 1980s, he was fighting in parallel with the united states, leading the so-called arab imagine dean. in july 2014 in mosul, he was largely unknown. and i'm not talking about through the islamic world, you in his native iraq itself. and he is not somebody who would make frequent public appearances. in account tpa, he only started to put out videos, audio or videos of himself after the fall of isis. so he always had a very low profile. never had a cultive personality. when we expert viewed his family, no one really mentioned al baghdadi. their loyalty was the islamic state. so he was clearly not the sort of leader who once he disappears, the organization he leads will disappear with him. isis will remain. . >> all right. ben wedeman, thank you for that perspective from beirut, lebanon. thank you. we are joined by glen in london via skype. pen was just saying al baghdadi was a figurehead. he was no osama bin laden. but of course, as ben was just saying, people that follow isis will

and i'm saying to people, take out osama bin laden. that nobody ever heard of. nobody ever heard of. i mean al baghdadi everybody hears because he has built this monster for a long time. but nobody ever heard of osama bin laden. until really the world trade center. but about a year, you will have to check it, a year, a year and a half before the world trade center, the book came out. i was talking about osama bin laden. i said you have to kill him, you have to take him out. nobody listened to me. and to this day, i get people coming up to me, they said you know what, one of the most amazing things i've ever seen about you. is that you predicted that osama bin laden had to be killed before he knocked down the world trade center. it's true. i made a prediction. and let's put it this way, if they would have listened to me, a lot of things would have been different. >> of course, bin laden was not unknown before the 9/11 attacks and quite well known, especially within the intelligence and military communities, in fact, he was widely responsible for the 1998 bombings

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as you know, last month we recently killed hamza bin laden, the very violent son of osama bin laden who was saying very bad things about people, about our country, about the world. he was the heir apparent to al qaeda. terrorists who oppress and urder innocent people should never sleep soundly knowing that we will completely destroy them. these savage monsters will not escape their fate and they will not escape the final judgment of god. baghdadi has been on the run for many years, long before i took office. but at my direction as commander in chief of the united states, we obliterated his califate 100% in march of this year. today's events are another remainder we will continue to pursue the remaining isis their brutal end and that also goes for other terrorist organizations. they likewise are in our sights. bag today they and the losers who worked for him and losers they are, they had no idea what they were getting in to. in some cases they were very frightened puppies. in other cases they were hard-core killers. but they killed many, many people. their murder of innocent ericans, jam

osama bin laden was very big. became big with the world trade center in fact checkers called out some of his comparisons the associated press saying a number of trump statements were simply not true nobody ever heard of till really the world trade center when in fact the central intelligence agency operated a dedicated unit to tracking bin laden which went back to the mid 1990 s. and he'd been on the f.b.i. most wanted list for years trump went on to say about a year you have to check out a year year and a half before the world trade center came here the book came out i was talking about osama bin laden i said you have to kill him you have to take him out nobody listen to me and. to this day i get people coming up to me they said you know what one of the most amazing things i've ever seen about you is that you predicted that osama bin laden had to be killed before he knocked down the world trade center it's true in one of his books released in 2000 trump mentions osama bin laden once as one of many threats to u.s.

osama bin laden was big, but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center. this is a man who built a whole -- as he would like to call it, a country, a caliphate, and was trying to do it again. >> i want to bring in cnn national security analyst james clapper with us. he served as leader of intelligence under president obama. he was in charge of the raid that killed osama bin laden. what do you think of the comparison the president makes comparing it to baghdadi? >> i wouldn't agree with that. there were 3,000 people killed in the united states, and it was more than the world trade center. i would think taking down osama bin laden had a lot more meaning than this. >> do you think that it's a point that should even be entertained in being made by the president? >> i think from his standpoint, it is a big deal and it is a major accomplishment, no question about it, and as usual, great professionalism with the special operations forces and intelligence community kind of shown through here. but in terms of racking and stacking here, i think the osama bin laden t

what was important about this osama bin laden raid, yes, it was signal intelligence but the analytical corp of the intelligence community were able to piece together small bits of information of how couriers got in and out of the osama bin laden compound which led to the discovery of that compound. so it wasn't just signals intelligence, it was critically important, it wasn't just human intelligence, they had bits and pieces of sighting or identifying, it was identifying the courier route to put small pieces together. i bet when they do the forensics of this particular raid, you'll find the same similarities, people focused on the target in the neighborhood who understand the players in the neighborhood. meaning our presence on the ground in syria as small as it was was probably critically important to putting the intelligence package together. there is an old saying in intelligence, it is access, access, access. you need to be as close to the problem as you can if your going to get information that would lead to a raid like this. >> we'll find out how much congress was notified about

it was about a year before the world trade center came down and i'm saying to people, take out osama bin laden that nobody ever heard of. i mean, al-baghdadi everybody hears because he's built this monster for a long time, but nobody ever heard of osama bin laden until really the world trade center, but about a year, you'll have to check it, year, year and a half before the world trade center came down the book came out i was talking about osama bin laden and i said you have to kill him and take him out. nobody listened to me, and to this day, ii get people coming up to me that said you know what one of the most amazing things i've ever seen about you is that you predicted that osama bin laden had to be killed, before he knocked down the world trade center. it's true. now most of the press doesn't want to write that but it is true. if you go back and look at my book, i think it was "america we deserve" i made a prediction and let's put it this way. if they would have listened to me, a lot of things would have been different. reporter: let's talk about some of the difficult decisions you had al

he said, quote, osama bin laden was very big but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center. this is a man who built a whole, as he would like to call it, a whole country, a caliphate, and was trying to do it again. yesterday the president said another president should have gotten bagdadi years ago. is yo comments, suggesting that this is a bigger deal tha and suggesting that this is something you and president obama left to him to do? >> oh, my god, this man is amazing. look, bagdadi was a bad man, no redeeming value. he killed a lot innocent people. and he's responsible for more killing. to compare one to the other -- the things i compare are the incredible special forces we have and the risks they take and their incredible capacity. these -- the thing i do know, andrea, whether it's baghdadi or bin laden, it takes months and months of detailed planning. and the idea in the reports that are coming out now that in light of the fact that this was going on, that they were getting ready to move against baghdadi and the president of the united states precipitously withdraws tro

it's that raid on osama bin laden and the collective relief around the globe that osama bin laden haded. for donald trump this would be quite a foreign policy moment, an epic one quite frankly, if this turns out to be true. >> oh, yes. absolutely. and just like at the time president obama, at the time of the osama bin laden raid, president obama did reap a lot of benefits from that in a political sense, and i think it probably helped assure his re-election, the other thing that donald trump has to look forward to is certainly a bounce in that sense in terms of his foreign policy credentials or chops in this case. of course the people that really did the work are the intelligence agencies and the military raiders that actually performed this mission. so that's -- it was good on him if this turns out to be correct that he directed this raid and that it was successful. it certainly beats any type of unsuccessful situation which we've had in the past such as the raid to try to free the iran hostages way back in 1980. and those are the kinds of things that can make or break a u.s. presiden

osama bin laden was very big. but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center. this is a man who built a whole as he would like to call it a country. >> big with the world trade center. isis hadn't executed anything on 9/11 on the u.s. soil. a question of personal credit. repeating ababsurd riff in a written book. >> one of the most amazing things i have seen about you that you predicted that osama bin laden had to be killed before he knocked down the world trade center. it's true. if you go back, look at the book. >> we did. it's not in the book. president deserves credit for decisions they make. but of course the real credit belongs to the troops that directed the raid. the intelligence community and military leaders who have been working on this for years. when harry truman announced the death of hitler, he did it in a western understated manner. president lincoln, near the front lines at the end of the war and after the surrender at the appotomax. he said, no part of the honor plan or execution is mine, to general grant, a skillful officers and brave men all

and no one heard of osama bin laden until really the world trade center. but about a year, a year and a half before the world trade center, before the book came out i was talking about osama bin laden, you have to kill him, you have to take him out. nobody listened to me. and to this day i get people coming up to me and they said you know what, one of the most amazing things i've seen about you is that you predicted that osama bin laden had to be killed before he knocked down the world trade center. it's true. most of the press doesn't want to write that but it is true. if you go back and look at my book, i think it's "the america we deserve." i made a prediction -- let's put it this way, if they would have listened to me, a lot of things would have been different. reporter: can you talk about some of the difficult decisions you had along the way here in this operation, anything that weighed on you or that you had to -- president trump: just death. i'm sending a large number of brilliant fighters. these are the greatest fighters in the world. i'd rather let

like a scene reminiscent of the raid ordered by us president barack obama an al qaeda leader osama bin laden in 2011 truck watched the mission from the situation room of the white house he was surrounded by the u.s. vice president defense secretary national security adviser and the u.s. military's joint chiefs of staff president trunk claims the death of isolator al big daddy is even more significant than president obama's killing of the leader osama bin laden it's a headline trunks likely to play up as he campaigns for reelection 2020 kimberlee help hit al jazeera the white house. joins us live from turkey syria border. do we have a successor yet. well peter that's the $1000000.00 question that everybody's asking about this radical group that now that the head has been severed from its organization who is going to replace it there are several names under consideration including who was announced in august by the propaganda wing of eisel but again we don't know yet of how much of the inner circle the shura remains if still alive whether there is any infighting and if there is going to be a l

bin laden raid. in oth words, this polarization we had today was just as significant and011. even what we think of game changing events, the assassn of osamaen, even that did little to move public opinion for long. majudy: ihave a temporary effect. and the timing of it is interestg, because it is asth house of representatives continues the impeachment inquiry. they have announced they will take a vote this week on thursday. i interviewed vice president mike pence, you heard him, say that the american people don't care about this, they want the congress and the president to focus on what matters for the american people. does he have a point? >> this move by house democrats is the next phase in the part of what they will be voting on is public hearings, having public hearings and make them part of his argument is true,pu the americaic doesn't spend every day checking headlines. when this goes from closed-door depootions to leaked details public testimony, a very much more public process, that could have an effect on public opinion. >> that's a very good point. i have talked to a number of candidates and incumbent members asking them, what is

it was obvious he was trying to outdo barack obama, who got rid of osama bin laden.s this a comparable achievement? did refer to that raid .n 2011 because trump always has to be better, he claimed al-baghdadi was the bigger catch and said because he built a whole onlyhate where bin laden became big because of the world trade center. the fact is isis never mounted an attack anything like 9/11 on u.s. soil. isis is a different organization. it decentralized. it inspires individuals to commit attacks around the world and it then takes credit for those attacks. it is very different from directing a complex plot out of afghanistan, as was the case in 2000, 2001. did not have the global residence or name reckitt onance andres recognition as osama bin laden. trump agreed to the term pershing --- agree to the turkih offensive, meaning some isis fighters have escaped and regrouped. that could mean more terrorist attacks in the future. you can see how trump is using the killing of baghdadi, it is obvious from this statement. somber in the beginning and it veered into this camp

osama bin laden was very big, but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center.he man who built the whole, as he would like to call it, a country, a caliphate, and was trying to do it again. >> trevor: what are you doing? ( laughter ) you don't stro pretend this guy is a bigger get than bin laden. first of all, it's childish. secondly, he's not. it's not going to change the entire world forever. it's 18 years after 9/11 and i still can't take four ounces of owns on to an airplane. i go on vacation and my skin is dry as (~bleep ). that's how bad a terrorist bin laden was. all these guys are bad. you don't have to weigh them out! but once again, trump has managed to turn a nonpartisan victory into a political fight -- who deserves more credit, trump or obama? do presidents even deserve credit for military victories? the whole conversation is ridiculous because we know who really made this thing happen, it was that k-9. ( cheers and applause ) or, as i call it, a dog. ( laughter ) that dog deserves the highest honor america has to offer, which is its own movie. so w

bin laden raid. the polarization today is as significant as 2011.en e think about game changing events, the assaination of osama laden did very littleo move public opinion for very long. >> woodruff: may have a temporary effect. and the timing is ineresting because it is as the house of representatives continues tpee hment inquiry. today they reportedly announced they are going to take a vote this week on thursday. i interviewed vice president mike pence who said youeard him, i think, say that the american people don't care about this impeachment inquiry, they want the congress and the president to focus on what matters to the american people. does he ve a point? >> this move by house democrats is the next phase in the impeachment inquiry, a part of what they will be voting on is plearg havineargs, making evidence public. and, s, part of pence's argument is true, that american public is not speinevery day checking every headline. when this goes from being closed-door depositions to witho know, some leaked details, but it's a little complicated, to public testimony, very much have an effect on publict could opin

this is bigger than osama bin laden, according to the president. >> reporter: the difference between ma bin laden and abu bakr baghdadi ran a country, what was essentially a country, iraq and syria. it was the size of great britain and ruled more than 12 million people. that state was created very quickly. this was a man who really knew how to run a terrorist organization and turn it into, albeit, a very briefly lived terrorist state. and for him to be eliminated, certainly it does represent an important milestone in the fight against isis. however, even the pentagon's inspector general in august came out with a report that said that between syria and iraq, there are between 14,000 and 18,000 isis fighters still on the loose. isis still operates through affiliates in west africa, in libya, in egypt sinai peninsula, in afghanistan, in the philippines. it has sleeper cells in europe that have carried out a variety of mass murders, terrorist attacks. yes, it's an important milestone, but nobody is under the impression certainly in this part of the world that isis is history. isis is dimi

al-qaeda was affected in some way, surely, when 0sama was affected in some way, surely, when osama bin ladenas charismatic as he is. he is an older gentleman, a geriatric. they were grooming bin laden paused maxon to ta ke grooming bin laden paused maxon to take over and he was killed. i think the concern that i have is that both al-qaeda and isil split from each other in 2016, there were disagreements. and i'm worried that they might try to come back together and unite to be one far more lethal terrorist organisation. so that is something that we really need to be looking out for, even though in many respects, al-qaeda and isil have been tepidly cooperating and other theatres and other parts of the world. but in the iraq— syria area, they were not working together. how concerned should the united states and its allies be about reprisal attacks either from is or any other factions which emerged along the lines that karen just described?” think it's possible that isil will try to have some sort of retaliatory attacks. but i think it is a real question of what kind of capability, at this point

and there were many discussions about attacking and assassinating osama bin laden and about bringing him alive and there were a few failed attempts against osama bin laden including you know special operations and so forth even before 2000 so this is has been ongoing and if it's just about really taking plame i personally profiled bin ladin in 19941940 but but this is not something you say just the morning after you actually have a great victory against islamic state by the assassination of its leader so really this was a major diversion from what is the agenda of the day which is the united states special forces have just taken on. the idea they had of isis after totally and utterly defeating isis on the ground. all right. with the with the word there from london thank you mara we'll be bringing bringing you back in shortly let's go now to eric hamm is the u.s. policy analyst joining us from washington d.c. so. all right so the president touched on a lot of things he started off the press conference and lacked confirming what what many had already been reporting that that baghdadi w

like a scene reminiscent of the raid ordered by us president barack obama an al qaeda leader osama bin ladenin 2011 truck watched the mission from the situation room of the white house he was surrounded by the u.s. vice president defense secretary national security adviser and the u.s. military's joint chiefs of staff president trying claims the death of isolator al big daddy is even more significant than president obama's killing of the leader osama bin laden it's a headline trunks likely to play up as he campaigns for reelection 2020 kimberly helped at al jazeera the white house. well dizzier correspondent dean youssef was one of the 1st journalists see reached the scene on the raid. that i guess this is the house targeted by u.s. helicopters and they approached the site at midnight and sealed the earlier off before they stormed it one person was taken away others were killed in a car passing through was destroyed and u.s. forces also handed over 3 children to one of the neighbors and requested they take them far away and then come back after the operation was completed 7 dead bodies have

like a scene reminiscent of the raid ordered by us president barack obama an al qaeda leader osama bin laden in 2011 truck watched the mission from the situation room of the white house he was surrounded by the u.s. vice president defense secretary national security adviser and the u.s. military's joint chiefs of staff president trunk claims the death of isolator al big daddy is even more significant than president obama's killing of al qaeda leader osama bin laden it's a headline trunks likely to play up as he campaigns for reelection 2020 kimberly helped at al jazeera the white house while the u.s. raid was carried out in but a show which is in northwestern syria the area is just a few kilometers away from the turkish border 8 u.s. helicopters took part in the operation which lasted for around 90 minutes al-jazeera correspondent. was one of the far stronger lists to reach the scene of the raid. well the mother of god this is the house targeted by u.s. helicopters and they approached the site at midnight and sealed the off before they stormed it one person was taken away others were killed

bin laden was a big thing, but this is the biggest there is. this is the worst ever. osamag, but osama bin laden became big with the world trade center. this is a man who built a whole -- as he would like to call it a country, a caliphate, and was trying to do it again. and i had not heard too much about his health. i've heard stories about he may not have been in good health. but he died -- he died in a ruthless, vicious manner. that i can tell you. >> were any adults taken -- >> yes, we have people that were taken. we have -- many of the people died on the site, but we have people that were taken. and the children, we are -- we left them under care of somebody that we understand. >> how many? >> 11 children. >> 11 children? how many adults. >> i'd rather not say. i'd leave that to the generals. but a small group. more dead than alive. >> which special operations teams were involved? >> many of them. and at the top level. and people that were truly incredible at their craft. i've never seen anything like it. >> as far as partnerships go, were there any other forces involve

a lot of americans will equate this to the death of osama bin laden and al qaeda. they are not the same here, are they? >> reporter: no. bm osama bin laden was a well-known figure to the 1980s when he led the so-called group in the fight against afghanistan. he remained a prominent public figure. from back then to his death. baghdadi was a much more secretive person who had a very low public profile. he never really had the sort of personality that osama bin laden actually encouraged. and when earlier this year, we were in eastern syria for two months, we interviewed dozens of captured fighters, isis wives and their children, and very few of them had much to say about abu bakr al baghdadi, himself. their loyalty was to the islamic state rather than to the person who was actually leading it. >> which could be troubling in the days and weeks to come. ben wedeman, thank you very much. >>> other breaking news. overnight we know two people are dead and 14 have been treated for gunshot wounds after a shooting in greenville, texas. we are live on that scene for you next. i

on tv earlier today when he was asked what the protocol essentially would be, would it follow osama bin laden, who of course his dead body was put aboard a u.s. navy ship and that body was put into the sea in an undisclosed spot. the national security advisor said he expected the protocol would follow the same for baghdadi. i talked to another u.s. official who said that was the current word, that he would perhaps maybe most likely be buried at sea, so to speak. no confirmation by the administration yet. obviously they don't want to announce anything perhaps just yet about all of that. >> joining us now cnn military and diplomatic analyst and former pentagon press secretary retired rear admiral john kirby. admiral, the president said today that they had already identified baghdadi's successors. is his death more symbolic or is this a real turning point? >> it's more than symbolic. it's a significant blow to isis. he was a very active leader. he was actively controlling operations. there will be now several of these other leaders vying for power. one key thing for the u.s. particularly in the

that's how it happened with swra carry and osama bin laden. they had high confidence going in the target with a whole lot of information. he blessed the mission, as all commander in chiefs do. but this has been percolating for days, weeks, or even months. . >> who makes the final call of timing? like we go tonight? we don't go? >> that's in cooperation between the commander on the scene, probably jsoc commander saying we have good intelligence that al baghdadi is at this location. joani, the hts commander, his enemy, an al qaeda operative may have been on the scene. early indicators were quite a few people were struck in the raid. the final go is from the commander in chief but comes from the commander on the ground saying we have high intelligence on this. we can strike without extreme danger to our troops. >> do you think turkey was involved in any way with this? >> good question, martin. what i'm concerned about, was turkey involved in the operation passing intelligence, or were turkish forces involved in the hiding of al baghdadi for sever

as somebody who was sitting in the situation room while osama bin laden was killed, what is your reactiont saying that obama should have gotten baghdadi and, two, saying that osama bin laden was not that big of a deal until the world trade center happened? >> well, i don't quite know how to react to that, katie. of course, getting baghdadi was a priority for the obama administration and working in partnership with the iraqi forces and at a later stage in cooperation with the syrian kurds. take us into the current phase of the fighting in iraq and syria, it was always a priority. but tracking down these terrorist leaders is a metropolit meticulous, challenging bit of work. it takes a long time. and often once you come across a key piece of intelligence it seems to happen quickly. that seems to be what triggered the onset of this investigation months ago. i wouldn't necessarily think of it as legitimate criticism that we weren't going after abu bakr al baghdadi because of course we were. >> let me ask you this other question. the president was very forthcoming in describing how he said bagh

he is often compared to osama bin laden. but they were very different kinds of people. sami bin laden, saudi, rich, well educated, controlled al qaeda. its most infamous operation the attacks of 9/11. and after that al qaeda more or less went into hiding. it had some small cells around the world. but it was a typical what you would describe as a terrorist organization. abu bakr al-baghdadi did something totally different. he had a terrorist organization that had tens of thousands, millions of people who were part of it. and he established a state. he established an open safe haven here in the middle east that he called his empire, he called it the caliphate. then his empire, hez caliphate was destroyed over the last five years there has been a concerted war. >> it was launched under president obama. >> it was finished under president trump to destroy this islamic state. and since march, the islamic state has been more or less vanished. there was a small pocket of it in this corner of syria where baghdadi was found. and even in that corner of syria, the idlib province wa

. >> i think from a standpoint of symbolism and importance to the country, taking down osama bin laden had a lot more meaning than this. >> can we at least agree that the world is a better place without this guy in it? >> who? trump or baghdadi? [laughter] >> sean: as i said before, i'll say it again. president trump in this atmosphere, cured cancer, those on the left, in the media mob, the democrats would find a way to want to impeach him for curing cancer. if he gave a million dollars to every american they would demand his impeachment for that. why didn't he give $5 million? this is a psychotic rage and this it is for every democrat you have to suspend all intellectual honesty, all connection to objective truth, reason and god-given common sense to have this sick, psychotic rage. the democrats furious that pelosi and schiff were not notified in advance of the raid. really? the lack of self awareness should be shocking because after all, you have the compromised, corrupt, lying coward adam schiff among the most prolific leaders in washington in the swamp. no other president has had t

we have seen that when osama bin laden was killed that it did not have much of a long-term impact obama's approval numbers. osama bin laden was a bigger target and more well-known target. i would not expect a long-term .oost shery: what does this mean for islamic states now? --ros: its a setback is a setback for the jihadist group. of ainly in terms territorial threat, they are much smaller than they were a death of ago but the this leader could see retaliatory attacks. it could be a fresh motivator for people. the leader is dead but the ideology lives on. there are multiple attacks around the world. seems like there is a core of supporters who are more than turned off. are there any implications of impeachment inquiry -- for the impeachment inquiry? ros: i think this is a different land. -- lane. historically, it does not matter how well the economy is doing, it does not matter what other foreign policy moves are being made, once the is going on,rocess that is secondary. we have heard from democrats and adam schiff, the representative from california. there is no slowdown there. he has a

he wanted to make sure he said this person was a bigger deal than osama bin laden. i remember living in new york when bin laden was killed. there was a sense of kpub ration we had done this. last night what we saw in the baseball stadium there was people still saying, you know what, yes, you did a great job, but you also are someone who we don't see as really using the office of the presidency in the right way. there were chants of lock him up at that baseball game. it wasn't just boos. in some ways that is really showing the polarization of the america. there are some people who think that the president has done a great job and he's really not getting his fair shake and yesterday as he got this isis leader he wasn't getting the benefit of being able to have that praise and kpub ration that president obama had. look, remember, you're still in the middle of an impeachment inquiry trying to pressure ukraine to do your political bidding and focussing on the bidens. i think what we're looking at is an incredible moment that probably hurt the president's feelings. we know

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