still, she says, osama bin laden kept plotting. lahoud showed us this letter to another young associate, younis, who'd impressed bin laden with his sharp intellect. >> lahoud: it says, "this is specifically addressed to you, top secret. do not share it with anyone." >> alfonsi: it is osama bin laden's plan for another terror attack in 2010. this time, he wanted to target multiple crude oil tankers and major shipping routes around the middle east and africa. >> lahoud: he says, "it does not escape you, the importance of oil for industrialized economy today. and it is similar to blood for human beings. so, if you cause somebody to bleed excessively, even if you don't kill him, you will at least weaken him." and that's-- he really-- what he really wanted to do to the american economy. >> alfonsi: she says bin laden details how al-qaeda operatives should integrate themselves into those port areas as fishermen. he instructs them exactly where to buy a specific kind of wooden boat to evade radar, and then once again, goes into the granula

representative lisa mcclain said at a trump rally in michigan that it was trump who had found osama bin ladenle president trump was in office, we didn't have a war, and i think he made three peace treaties caught osama bin laden and soleimani, al-baghdadi and this president is weak and i'll tell you, weakness breeds aggression. we need strength >> seth: yeah, we need strength. the kind of strength it takes to find and kill an elusive terrorist while simultaneously hosting a game show with your wet, asymmetrical sons was finding bin laden one of the tasks on "the apprentice"? "jose canseco, need to create a 60-second commercial for the new onstar mirror. and lisa rinna, you're off to abottabad, pakistan to look for clues. you can do it, lisa. seriously, these people should have to take the same kind of test to stay in congress that you give a boxer to make sure they can stay in the fight "how many fingers am i holding up?" "16. "what year is it?" "3069. "who killed osama bin laden? "donald trump. "okay, we're calling it. do you seriously not remember that famous photo where barack obama, hilla

we killed a summoned bin laden -- osama bin laden -- osama bin laden. victory looks like women friday -- driving in tehran and riyadh and damascus and those societies moving forward in ways that cares for all of their people and we look at -- you look at the trajectory of communism. we still have communist backed groups that were attacking this cot -- discos and airliners but why can't they recruit anymore? i can't because the ideology is largely defunct. how do we move to that world of ideas and win war of ideas -- the war of ideas? that is a effort that is lacking in our strategy. >> why don't we talk about what you see or -- the epicenter of global terrorism which is antagonist -- you serve in the country and we are no longer there. the physical menace -- menace -- manifestation of our withdrawal from the east is in afghanistan. what are some of the advancements, recognizing that we spent 20 years in the country. an overall strategic assessment of the decision to withdraw beyond messy withdrawal itself. rep. waltz: we just had -- you mentioned genera

had bought or not bought when when we killed osama bin laden. are seals fedex but famous walking stick of osama bin laden the ross perot. the shepherd's stick. because he and pro-industries gave jobs to all seals once they left the seals. gave military ex-military people particularly navy because he was an annapolis skyros pro gave them jobs for a long time still does pro industries and so as they thank you to ross they gave him that walking stick and he hadn't went very proud of it. and i i didn't think quick enough. yeah that day in this case. i did try i said can't we get a photo of you holding the stick and i'll write up i want to write a piece for vanity fair with your photo until the story. i said just be simple and not a deep thing just the little story of how they you know, and he said no no, no, they'll take him they'll take the stick away from me. it'll get tagged and they'll say it should be in a cord and that it doesn't belong and he said i'm donating. to the seal museum in florida and it just needs to cool off a little and if you eve

it could have been a book on its own are really killing and tracking of osama bin laden. so obama's going to be writing. and then i've been involved with the oral history project of barack obama at columbia university. i'm part of their storytelling there, where we're doing oral history. so i've been able to interview for that oral history project. some people, you know -- and that's been interesting. so i've stayed in the mix a little bit in that way. >> how often are oral histories used by historians from your experience? >> i love them. and the obama one at columbia university is where the idea of an oral history project emanated. and the way they're doing the obama one is just spectacularly thorough, meaning they're also interviewing young people that campaigned for him and how their life has changed, or, you know, a child he met who then has a story. they're doing all sorts of innovative things, and it's global. i find the provincialism of most presidents' oral histories is they would only interview americans, not world leaders. it would have been nice to have a hist

and he was the only judge to prosecute osama bin laden, but he also investigated systematic torture at guantanamo. according to this confidential report from the u. s. embassy in madrid, he investigated everything. all this gave him a reputation as ambitious, wanting to be in the spotlight. i know the truth is that gotham soon understood that in a globalized world, justice cannot be limited by national borders from madrid. he prosecuted the leaders of the dictatorships in argentina and she led her. oh, he couldn't do the same at whom his attempts to investigate crimes committed on the franco were blocked by the spanish judiciary. his unorthodox interpretation of the law and him, many enemies. in 2012, while julianna's son's room ins under house arrest, judged bust asada got on sits in the dock before the spanish supreme court deal with gun was investigating the country's largest political corruption network at the time, which also involved the ruling spanish conservative party he's accused of misconduct and the supreme court delivers its verdict. in an unanimous ruling has been bought

coming up on "60 minutes," a look at personal documents from osama bin laden. i'm jericka duncan in new york. we thank you so much. have a great night. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >>> live from the cbsn bay area studios, this is kpix 5 news . >>> in oakland dispensary owner shot in targeted at an armed robbery just today after opening. and why cannabis merchants say it is part of a larger problem. >> i don't know what the answer is for what we need right now but the robberies is not the answer. >>> we learned about a major nurses strike on the peninsula. 5000 workers expected to walk off the job. >>> the shadow of war looming over a holiday for local ukrainians and how they hold out hope for their loved ones. >>> and island access battle and why groups of east bay residents say they are being shut out. good evening. we begin tonight with a dispensary owner shot by an armed robber in oakland. >> they say it is just the latest example of their industry under attack. >> they say it is more dangerous now than

the percentage is that this guy we've been following, who they've dubbed the pacer, is actually osama bin laden? he goes around the room. and the estimates -- they've all read the same intelligence, right? the estimates range from 40%, we think it's bin laden to 95% we think it's bin laden. this is fascinating. why is this the case? it turns out the percentage estimates really hinge on the analyst's prior experience. so those who were burned by iraq wmd were much more skeptical that the pacer was actually bin laden. those who came off successes in counterterrorism were much more confident. the same information, different probability estimates. that is a good thing to have people talking through their differences and why they believe what they believe. >> getting information from culture, does zero dark 30 get that story right? >> oh, boy. i could go on for a long time about zero dark 30 and why that movie makes me crazy. so, no. the short answer to your question is no. zero dark 30 does not get it right. >> so, quickly what did it get wrong? >> the scene that i have just told you this meeting a

osama. bin laden goes around the room and there was and the estimates they've already read the same intelligence right the estimates range from 40% we think it's been laden to 95% we think it's been on it now. i think this is fascinating right and why is this the case? well, it turns out that the percentage estimates really hinge on the analyst prior experience. so those who were burned by a rock. wmd? we're much more skeptical that the pace was actually been lauded those who had come off recent intelligent successes encounter terrorism. we're are confident in what they had same information different probability estimates. that is a good thing right to have people talking through their differences and why they believe what they believe. okay, so getting back to the idea of getting information yes or no from culture to zero dork 30 get that whole story, right? oh boy, you know i could go on for a long time about zero dark thirty and why that movie no this short answer. your question is no zero dark. thirty does not get it. right so quickly. what did it get wrong quickly? so it actually the theme

clinton before the public observation of the assassination at the time of the liquidation of osama bin laden well how the obscurantist reacted to the assassination, even clinton and so on. all this points to a very specific way of political thinking. if you can even call it political. i would attribute it, in fact, to clinical thinking, and in this regard, the pumping of ukraine with weapons is such a remote work on the part of western politicians, especially european ones. it also allows you to say that they do not understand what is really happening, they are used to seeing this situation as something on the screen, something so abstract, where you can make a decision, then go to drink tea. here. it seems to me that when there were terrorist attacks on the territory europe is definitely not possible. this is to approve and so on, but the reaction i recall the reaction of european politicians was as well. let's go and have a coffee, so that hmm yes, to say our attitude to this t-terrorism, we will not restore our special services. let's organize civil society in such a way that it will mobi

100,000 albanians to launch that war in 1999w bush lied, saddam hussein would give nuclear bombs to osama bin ladenblow up your home town with. barack obama claimed qaddafi was about to murder 700,000 people, the entire population of benghazi and he was passing out viagra to his troops to rape every woman and girl in the country at the time, total hoax. they also claimed moderate rebels in syria, filling to lead iraq war three, another half-million people killed. started the war in yemen switch donald trump ludicrously claimed we are getting paid for $50 billion from the saudi's to wage. at what price for genocide when they spent a couple two or 3 billion a year on the war? during that whole time the cia and fbi told 1000 lies about donald trump which juan williams still believes some apparently in this hoax which never happened whatsoever and they lied, get this, russians spies planted crack head hunter's laptop and a repair shop in delaware which the entire media went along with that hoax and big tech and crushed that story. kennedy: including janco it who said hunter biden's laptop was a product

. >>> joining me now cnn national security analyst peter, author of "the rise and fall of osama bin laden." we got to start in bucha where these mass graves have been found. civilians left dead in the streets. you know, this is not what we associate with the modern rules of warfare and basic human decision si. it appalling and grotesque. what do these images say to you? >> i think it does fit with a russian modern form of warfare. putin reduced a city to a parking lot in 1999 and the russians reduced aleppo and syria to essentially destroy these very historic cities. so it's not new for the russians to behave in this fashion. >> with what we're seeing in bucha, these are executions. not just indiscriminate shelling that we had seen previously so help our viewers understand how this could open the ante for war crimes probes. you're hearing stronger rhetoric from officials saying these are war crimes and this needs to be investigated. why is that the case? >> i think -- i'm not an expert on war crimes but they certainly seem to meet the common sense standard for war crime prosecution and ce

he believes that the intelligence was solid enough and the importance of getting osama bin laden was important enough to go forward. i can also say that the decision to go forward with what came to be known as the affordable care act, even after we lost the senate. the wise move would have been to do something scaled-back. he pressed on anyway and millions of americans have health insurance that they would not have otherwise had. obamacare is more popular than ever. my first choice was the decision that he and we made that has been enormously consequential ever since and that is in part one of the factors that has caused some of the increased partisan rancor we feel today. and that is that we did not take birth arisen seriously. --birtherism seriously. i know that obama feels this way, the polls still show that a majority of self identified republicans do not believe that president obama was born in the united states and they believe he is muslim. think about how corrosive that is for politics. and think about the kind of corrosive politics has contributed to what we see today. that

threat to remove him from power using the conventional power preparation like it was done with osama bin laden, for example. this is something that he, as a former kgb, would very much believe in. and i think that that has to be on the table. >> what about the fact that he can be forced, out of power by some kind of coup within the kremlin, or maybe by the oligarchs and the other elites in russia? could they potentially move against him? >> when i say, i will say that something is brewing up. i meant that this one is a possible scenario. i think that disagreement between the oligarchs, they are very upset about what's going on in the kremlin. they suffer. they lose money. they are under threat in the west. so, they are thinking about doing something to change the situation. they are afraid nevertheless. putin is the real threat for them. and, the west is not such a big threat at this very moment. it least, vladimir putin is a physical threat. and the west does not. so, right now, they are in a disarray that they are right now. they are thinking, right now, realign themselves. but they think th

osama bin laden underestimated us, paid for it. the long line of tyrants to underestimate not only the united states of america, but western democracy. can you explain? >> people make that mistake all the time. you know, you know and mika's dad knew firsthand the number of people in 1940 who were saying, it's useless for the united states and canada and england to try to fight nazi germany and the imperial japanese, because they have the benefit of being a dictatorship. they can tell their people to fight at a moment's notice. one person can do the strategy, but as we've seen, in the last century, and i think in many centuries before then, dictatorships don't self-correct. the people in a dictatorship do not have an investment in the system. why are the people in ukraine fighting so hard? they're not doing it just because they've been told to by zelenskyy and their leadership. they're doing it because they love democracy, they love the history of ukraine. they been oppressed by the russians for hundreds of years. and those are stro

they built a mock up of her house so they could practice, sort of like the navy seals did with osama bin ladenthey tried to purchase explosives. they bought night vision goggles. they took a number of acts that were in furtherance of the conspiracy that may have caused the jurors some pause in terms of acquittal. john: the prosecutors say they intend to retry those two. what did we learn about the defendants in the course of this trial? mark: we heard competing visions of the defendants. the defense portrayed the defendants as beleaguered, wee kend warriors that were angry with the government and just blowing off steam, that it it was basically talk, that the plot was not realistic, there was no time, date, or location for what they were going to do. on the flipside, the government showed that these guys really did intend to do something. mark: you mtioned domestic terrorism. governor whitmer released a statement saying she feared this would embolden extremists. we have these trials here in washington against the january 6 defendants. the biden administration justice department say they want t

they but a mockup of her house so that they could practice, sort of like the navy seals did with osama bin ladenkistan. they tried to purchase explosives. they bought night vision goggles. and they took a number of acts that were in furtherance of the conspiracy that may have caused the jurors some pause in terms of acquittal of those two types of defendants. john: and the prosecutors have said they do intend to retry those two. what did we learn about the defendants in the course of this trial? mark: well, we heard competing visions of the defendants from -- of the defendants. from the defense, they portrayed the defendants as beleaguered weekenwarriors that were angry with the government and that were just blowing off steam, that it basically was talking, they never intended to go through with this, that the plot was a realistic. there was no time, date, or -- that the plot wasn't realistic. there was no time, date, or location for what they were going to do. on the flip side, the government showed that these guys really did intend to do something. john: you mentioned domestic terrorism, domes

of you would say the decision that president obama made to authorize the mission to eliminate osama bin laden was momentous. after that we visited the seal team and the commander was engaged in a in one of the leaders came up to me and said your boss has all the steel. he said that because the president had been told it was a 50-50 proposition that bin laden was there. and he authorized it anyway with the knowledge that, most importantly, american lives could have been lost. certainly damaged our international relations with pakistan and other countries would've been armed. and the political consequences, obviously, of a failed mission in the memory of president carter's attempt to rescue the hostages in iran was not something anybody wasn't thinking about. yet he made the decision because he believe the intelligence was solid enough, and the importance of getting bin laden was so important that we should go forward. i admire him for that. i would also say that the decision to go forward is what came to be known as the affordable care act, even when the democrats lost the senate and it seemed

he was the guy who took down osama bin laden.in the special forces and is now in the university of texas system. he said having to make your bed precisely at a young age in the military was a huge way that kids learned discipline and focus. if what you are saying is true across the military, that is very disappointing. i hope your message gets out. i think you said your son is in the army. one good piece of news there, i was very focused on sexual assault and rape in the military when i was in congress. one of the things we kept talking about was these cases would be dropped by the chain of command. they would be reviewed by more senior levels and dropped. recently congress signed and biden passed a law to take these cases out of the chain of command. i think that is a good thing because i think young women going into the military, at least back in the day, were at enormous risk. they are prepared to put their lives on the line for our country and instead they are being victimized by people on the same team. host: karen is in flo

. >> now, he is as low as osama bin laden. >> look to trump, how is he signaling?llow him blindly with whatever signals he puts out there. he still, to this day, amazingly -- think about this. to this day, he has not really condemned putin. he was his bestie all the time he was in the white house, but this is really unbelievable, that somebody is standing as the dominant figure in a political party in this country, that refuses to condemn the butcher of bucha. >> i think we're tired of being shocked, but it is shocking. >> i mean, how does that have electoral consequences, this division in the republican party? what difference will it make come november and then the next november and the next? >> i think it remains to be seen. if these far-right candidates win the primaries, if the ones he has endorsed, the ones i call that like to hang out in crazytown, if they win all these primaries, then democrats will have a better year than everyone is thinking. they will defy expectations and do better. i'm not saying they'll hold on to the house, but they can easily hold on

whether you talk about hitler, imperial japan, even osama bin laden said we were a paper tiger.se divisions and think it means we're weaker culturally, militarily. i remember before the war, talking about how the united states was going to get ensnarled in the jungles of panama. he is in a miami jail, like, three days later. can you talk about how they miscalculate, what happens in the united states and they see it as weakness when, in fact, it ends up usually being our strength. >> yeah, the fervent wish of every autocrat, anti-democratic, is to, you know, see the united states implode. in fact, what putin has tried to do by, you know, sponsoring information warfare, secessionist movements all over the world, is to make democracies meet the fate of the soviet union, imploding from within. he's done his best, partnering with our former president trump to weaken and polarize america. i also think that the timing of this war, it came after that summit with, you know, biden, which biden has come out very, very strongly as being the defender of democracy on the global scene. i think