do you consider oscar vasquez a foreign soldier? >> mr. durbin, you know, oscar is a good story to use, the exception was made. that's exactly what i'm talking about. those exceptions ought to be carefully thought out, not just a blanket amnesty or support. there's a cost to the american taxpayers for all this. you know, if you want to make exceptions, i'm okay with the proper exceptions and i think oscar's probably one of those that met all the criteria that any american would be proud, and certainly i'm proud that he would join the military, proud that he would defend the nation that he wants to be a part of. those are good things, mr. durbin. don't take -- [ everyone talking at once ] i'm not in favor of a blanket amnesty approach to the dream act or anything else. it's costing us hundreds of millions of dollars. i'm talking about the exceptions are appropriate -- >> mr. pearce, you were in the legislature. i've got to get you away from the cliches to actually read the bill. senator deconcini, these stories about your fellow arizona resi