and then we'll have the osce. of these areas, to the extent that there is progress to be made -- and we hope that there is -- actual progress is going to be very difficult to make, if not impossible, in an environment of escalation by russia. so we will see what results, what path russia chooses. but if it genuinely wants to make progress on issues that it says are of concern to russia as well as on issues that are of concern to us, that progress has to be in a -- in the context of de-escalation, and that goes directly to ukraine. reporter: that sounds like when ukraine comes up on monday, because of course it will, when russia pushes its agenda on ukraine, you're going to try and focus instead on bilateral issues and not focus on ukraine on monday, and wait till later in the week to focus on ukraine? is that -- secretary blinken: well, we will -- we will make the point in every single one of these fora that the aggression against ukraine will be met with, as i've said and others have said, massive consequences; t

because after all a lot of eu countries are represented at the nato talks, certainly at the osce talks on the nato—russia council? absolutely. i mean, there's been a lot of speculation and commentary this week making the point that the european union, europe, wasn't at the table for some of these key decisions. it was really a bilateral discussion between the united states and russia, although as you say, at the osce, all parties including ukraine were around the table there. as you say, most of the eu member states — 21 out of the 27 — are members of nato, and again, like a lot of things in europe, there are different opinions. the countries to the east, the baltic nations like lithuania, latvia, estonia, they are very, very worried about what's happening close to them in ukraine. and it's this difficult balancing act, because on the one hand you've got countries like france who wants the eu to have more power and defence, and try and improve its strategy and its autonomy when it comes to security and foreign policy. but on the other hand, you've got countries in the east who don't wa

it was really a bilateral discussion between the united states and russia, although at the osce, as youwere around the table there. as you say, most of the eu member states, 21 out of the 27, are members of nato, and again, like a lot of things in europe, there are different opinions. the countries to the east, the baltic nations like lithuania, latvia, estonia, they are very, very worried about what's happening close to them in ukraine. and it's this difficult balancing act because on the one hand you have countries like france who wants the eu to have more power and defence, and try and improve its strategy and its autonomy when it comes to security and foreign policy. but on the other hand you've got countries in the east who don't want to duplicate or challenge nato. nato is everything to them. they want the us presence there. nato is very important and they want to keep the russian issue right up on the agenda. so, yes, to answer your question, there's a lot of fear here around europe. i think the talks effectively ended in a stalemate. there's been no developments. and then, on fr

ukraine is part of the osce and ukraine will have its seat at the table, but those talks in the osceminated by russia and a lot of countries friendly to russia as well. it's really the geneva talks where the most important conversation will take place. ukraine won't be there, but that's when biden calls the ukraine president and talks about what happened there and gives him a readout and make sure not just ukraine but the other allies as well are kept informed on what's happening behind the closed doors in geneva. >> we will be watching these talks very closely and leaning on voices like yours to get important perspective on what's happening. jim townsend, thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> the events of january 6th forever changed the political landscape. up next a look at where the investigation into it all stands one year later and how lawmakers and the former president both plan to mark the day. >> vo: so when my windshield broke... i found the experts at safelite autoglass. they have exclusive technology and service i can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace.

osce. we have done so over the phone as well, videoconferences. well over 100 engagements as of earlier this month with our european allies and our partners as well, including ukraine. that extends to last week. we had an opportunity to meet with president zelensky. that engagement has continued since. the secretary had an opportunity to speak to the foreign minister after his meeting with foreign minister lavrov on that engagement. again, we are operating with a core principle in mind, and that is nothing about ukraine without ukraine. reporter: specifically on croatia, are you concerned countries are signing up to formal statements and on the others making these kind of comments, they don't actually support it? mr. price: what i can point to are the formal statements. reporter: if the commander-in-chief of the country is then saying something completely opposed to what they supposedly signed up for. mr. price: documents are a physical manifestation of the commitments the allies have made. i can point you to those documents. reporter: if it comes

bilaterally, nato, russia, osce, whenever they are ready. >> you mentioned that as well. the talks in paris, they agreed to meet in two weeks. russia might be delaying more drastic action. do you have any reaction to the latest comments from germany on nord stream 2, any confidence that that will go ahead? undersec. nuland: it's nice to see them meeting again. it has been a while since they had something when they last met which was before christmas. they were able to get a fragile christmas cease-fire. we believe that that normandy format is the best format for and preventing the minsk agreement's. forgetting that conflict resolved. it is a good thing russia chose to go to the table and we hope that they will similarly choose to go to the table on all of the issues that we have said we are more than ready to talk about. with regards to north stream to, we continue to have very strong and clear conversations with our german allies and i want to be clear with you today. if russia invades ukraine, one way or another, nord stream 2 will not move forward. >> how can you say t

the nato russian council, the context of the organization for security and cooperation in europe the osce we have been clear about the areas where we believe dialog and diplomacy has the potential to enhance our collective security and we've been clear about the areas that for us are just nonstarters. for us that would be fundamental violations of the founding principles of nato and other foundational security instruments that have protected, enhapsds, promoted, unprecedented levels of security, stability, prosperity, for the past 70 years. so you will have to ask the russians for their response once they see our written report, but you are correct in one regard. we have been clear and consistent about areas where diplomacy and dialog may be fruitful and areas where we are sincerely and steadfastly interested in engaging in that diplomacy and areas where it's a nonstarter. >> one of your colleagues at the white house on a background call said that if if it gets down to the point you're going to impose sanctions, quote, we'll start at the top of the escalation ladder and stay there. i'm ju

the helsinki final act one of the foundational documents of the osce confirms obligation of state, and i quote, to respect each other's sovereign equality and the right of every state to enjoy the quality, to territorial integrity, and to freedom and political independence, end of quote. subsequent agreements including the charter of paris and the charter of european security agreed in istanbul in 1999 reaffirm the core principles and underpinning collective european security. madam president, earlier this month ireland marked 100 years of a hard-won independence. just as we would not accept another state determining our foreign and security policy, ukraine similarly has sovereign rights to choose its own policies. in this council we are too often faced with the terrible humanitarian consequences of violent conflict, usually over diplomacy and dialogue of have failed. force is never the answer. it is not the answer now. what is needed now above all is and negotiated diplomatic solution that reinforces our collective security in europe. we have the institutions and the mechanisms within

my carpenter. -- osce mike carpenter. russia has raised publicly, also privately, the issue of european security. let's be clear. over the past oco -- two decades roger has invaded neighboring countries, -- russia has invaded two neighboring countries, interfered in foreign elections, used chemical weapons, and violated international arms control agreements. we and our allies will be raising those and other issues with russia in the days and weeks ahead as part of these talks. we cannot forget an ongoing russian military occupation in ukraine. we will continue to actively support progress on the minsk accord to resolve the current conflict. there have been proposals that russia has already published or put out advocated for. president biden has made clear that we can make progress on some issues, while others are not viable. we are not responding point by point. i do not expect we will in these negotiations. because, in our experience, you do not make actual progress by negotiating on a public and because many proposals d

is going to fulfill its obligation, which was approved at the highest level in the framework of the osce along with the right to choose alliances, the obligation does not strengthen anyone's security at the expense of infringing on the security of others. >> reporter: as you can see there, the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov saying there will continuously be talks, this is not the end of the dialogue. we under anthony blink season about to depart here from geneva in what has been a beautiful but cold day, about to head back to the u.s. after these very important talks that the russians won't be completely satisfied with but certainly does seem as though there will be another round, other rounds of talks ahead, which, of course, is preferable for the united states, its allies and especially the ukrainians to alternatives that could have been in play with those russians continuing to amass their forces near ukraine. as we learned today, jim, also now having placed anti-aircraft system in belarus. >> we saw antony blinken board his u.s. state department plane for his departure from g

in good standing, a member of the osce.has rsian security guarante, the budapest memorandum in 1994 where ukraine gave up what was then the third largest nuclear arsenal in return for these guarantees, which russia has already broken. >> i have to ask about what russia says here. it's as the u.s. and nato are the aggressors here, not russia itself. expanding its eastward presence, stationing troops and sending arms to eastern member states. what is your response to that? at the nato summit i have mentioned, germany vetoed giving ukine membership action plan and nothing has happened about that since the except at russia has invaded georgia, it has taken ov crimea, rsia has invaded -- it has installed nuclear tipped missiles with a range to reach you in berli and they have shut down the malaysian airline with citizens ont. so it should be us that should be asking russia for security guarantees. >> you as we mentioned at the beginning worked hard to bring ukraine closer to the european union when you are polish foreign ministe

-russia meeting, we had a nato-russia meeting, osce with russia, we did not see ukraine, really at anyf these discussion tables and yet we are talking about a war are ukrainian territory? how do you explain the irony that the country is possibly invaded has not been at the first round of talks? >> i think on the plus side, we see a lot of engagement within the nato alliance. we see nato partners and nat allies engaging finland -- and ukraine has en involved in that consultation as well. we've seen that starting with the german foign minister and talking with ukrainian counterpart in discussions between american and russian and ukrainian officials, other nato airlines he enged as well. there is a certain ongoing process with ukraine. unfortunately there is peeption that you are right to point out that discussions are happening without the ukrainians. there is some processions in rmany and other parts of germany that discussions between the u.s. and russia have been over the heads of europeans. the e.u. so-called foreign minister was unhappy to to notice that fact, that the e.u. is not p

talks with russia will widen wednesday to include nato members in brussels, and then the osce in viennarsday. >> what russia is doing is trying to impose its agenda instead of returning to the negotiating table. >> we have stated very clearly that we will never compromise on the right for every nation in europe to choose its own path, including security arrangements it wants to be part of. >> early -- earlier, russia suggested the u.s. had not taken seriously his country's demand that ukraine never be allowed to join nato. that is an ominous sign. i continuing to press what is a solidly western redline, russia may be showing its hand. president putin may not intend this weekend of talks to succeed at all, but rather use them as a pretext for war. >> from washington, roslyn jordan has more on how american negotiators reacted. >> wendy sherman's assessment was that the meetings monday, about eight hours of talks with sergei probably cough -- they were straightforward, again, wendy sherman's language here but she said this was not a negotiation, this was really the attempt, she said, for t

has at the nato constitution and the institutional formats and at the osce, as well as discussions going on in the community. there are lots of ways to ensure mutual security but not by all tomatoes. not by threatening ukraine. not by coercion. not by a subversion and not by invasion. >> we have talked about this question already but please allow me one last question before we have to sum up. people are asking me about allowing the possibility of any concessions on the question of ukraine into nato. which does nato have to get the membership action plan? >> we are not deciding anything about ukraine for ukraine. ukraine has a right to decide its own future, its own foreign policy orientation. his own ambition. they have decided they want to climb the ladder to nato membership but it is a hard process. it takes time. there are things ukraine is working on that you indicated today in your remarks, madam president, that will get them to that membership action plan. it is a long process. it takes a while for any country to join nato. i am very glad for the work the ukraine is doing it to be

we already are in an incredibly strong alliance with nato, we work in the osce together, and we alsos, we want to be together. and i wouldn't say that we — and we would like ukraine to join us, by the way. and if russia chose tojoin it, fine, russia canjoin too. but i would say we are not trying to make it about us and them, we want it to be europe and the us, and russia is the one trying to pull that away and break up the alliance. and do you see it, as olha is asking there, that this global instability has been with us for a long time and may continue for a long time? that's up to russia. i think, if i can step in, there is a huge gap between, we're not about talking eu or nato or us, orjust any other, it is something where the collective west has got the extremely good experience of building the consensus. and now in a global world, where you cannot take decisions only on your own, on behalf your country — when it comes to covid, to energy crisis, even to military force. we have learned how to make the consensus, and how to make collectively the decisions. but what putin hadn't le

that flurry of diplomacy a week ago actually directly involved ukraine itself, the meeting at the oscef the forums in truth, of the kind of potential for military conflict, do you think the west is in danger of making a mistake it has made in the past, of talking about a rather than with countries? up to a point, although it rather depends what russia is looking for here and what the most promising diplomatic forum is. there are multiple diplomatic forums. ukraine has been involved with the european union in long—standing efforts to get some kind of settlement and to defuse tensions and i think the eu has found ukraine a rather unhelpful ih _ many respects, but i agree, you know, i think there is very little likelihood that anyone is going to want to have, put soldiers into ukraine. the united states is not going to want people to die in ukraine either. actually, putin does not need to invade ukraine in order to get, to some extent, to get what he wants, but it is not always clear what russia does want and there is a fairly well—established sense, certainly amongst american strategists

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european security and established in the charter of united nations in the founding documents of the osce including the helsinki final act and the charter of paris here these principles comprise in particular sovereign quality and territorial integrity of states, the viability of borders, the nonrecourse to the threat or the use of force and the freedom of states to either choose or change their own security measures. they are neither negotiable nor subject to any revision or reinterpretation. notions of spheres of influence have no place in the 21st century. if russia does not choose the path of dialogue and respect for international law, the response will be robust and united. any fresh infringement of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine by russia will have massive consequences. europeans are working on coordinated restrictive measures and stand ready together with their partners to act. if dialogue and cooperation is chosen, the european union stand ready to engage to develop its relations with russia on the basis of a united long-term and strategic approach in accorda

and so ukraine will be at the table when the osce, the organization for security and cooperation in europe, meets later this week. but we were also very clear that today's discussions would not broach issues that pertain to exclusively ukraine or nato or europe. this was a bilateral channel. a bilateral channel between the united states and europe, between the united states and russia. that was set up months ago. we have met twice with the russians in this context already. we made clear that there may be areas in terms of strategic stability where we can achieve these so-called reciprocal measures where the russians take steps that were done positively to the security of the united states, to the security of europe, to the security of ukraine and everyone else. and steps that might help to address what the russians have stated are their own concerns. but we are very steadfast in this principle. nothing about them without them. that's why we've undertaken more than 100 engagements. many of those taking part from the department of state, meetings, phone calls, teleconferences, video conferen

osc has put the permanent council meeting agenda to this very issue, so we have put forward an ability to dialogue and to negotiate to solve problems. what so far russia has put forth, they have come to these meetings. that's useful. but they also put things on the table they know we cannot agree to. we will not have a country to have a veto about who joins nato. there is a nato process. it is for the nato members to decide. there are standards setout. it's a very transparent process. no one gets a veto right over those decisions. it is a decision for nato allies. so i hope, again, that russia makes the smart choice. >> what signal are they sending by having live fire exercises within 24 hours of your sitting down with them for 8 hours first in geneva, and then they're doing live fire exercises right on the ukraine border? >> andrea, it's very hard for me to know what is in the mind of president putin. i will say there's no doubt it's meant to intimidate, meant to coerce, meant to create a threat, to put pressure, to create a crisis. there's a lot going on in the world. this is not the

>> they don't inasmuch as ukraine will be involved on thursday in the osc discussions. nato will clearly talk about issues that pertain to ukraine, because russia's main point is we want you to say that nato will include them and nato won't say that. ukraine had a meeting with nato just recently. the u.s. is in constant contact with the ukranian government, so they're trying to keep them in the loop as much as they can. >> there is also the fact that vladimir putin has, in essence, declared a victory in kazaghstan. what kind of message do you think that sends? >> putin could say, look, our neighbors want to be an influence. we're the ones that can prop up these governments to make sure they don't fall. so russia isn't going to leave kazighstan. i believe the ukranians have every right to be very concerned about what russia's next move will be. >> angela stent, thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate your expertise, and remind you that next hour we will go one on one with state spokesperson ned price coming up here later in the show. >>> some january 6 news,

process"; and russia's representative at the organisation for security and cooperation in europe, the osceational security." and so they funded over the last couple of months but do you think there is a shifting in the russian position? i there is a shifting in the russian osition? . ., , . . position? i am not sure. we heard president putin _ position? i am not sure. we heard president putin talking _ position? i am not sure. we heard president putin talking to - position? i am not sure. we heard president putin talking to the - president putin talking to the france — president putin talking to the france president parallel mothers today— france president parallel mothers today and there were some positive notes _ today and there were some positive notes coming out of it. moscow is saying _ notes coming out of it. moscow is saying there has been some movement and the _ saying there has been some movement and the foreign minister and foreign secretary— and the foreign minister and foreign secretary said there were some rational— secretary said there were some rational elements and to what

leaders of u.s., germany, france, poland and the international organizations like nato, the e.u., the osce, everybody came outpointing to total unity of the leaders that were there. germany has been an integral part of discussions and planning. we work close think with them and with our european and american partners. nato is solid on this. what president putin is trying to destabilize ukraine, deprying them of the means to choose their future. at the same time, he wants to define europe. so there will be a firm response from nato, a very firm response. >> with all due respect and you're an ambassador, so you're diplomatic, there seems to be the idea that perhaps there is a vision already in europe. that is'em bolding vladimir putin. many are saying that's a key reason why vladimir putin feels empowered now. what do you say to that? >> i don't think it's a case of him being empowered. he's an opportunityist i suspect. he's probably got more than one goal in particular. but fundamentally, it's about destabilizing ukraine, trying to divide europe again. given that europe came together after

from here these talks go on to brussels and nato and then to the osce, the organization for securityall of this in an effort to deter russia from invading ukraine. laura and christine. >> live in geneva. thank you. >>> it is time for three questions in three minutes. let's bring in nic robertson. while the u.s. and russia talk about ukraine, tell us more. >> reporter: yeah. ukraine saying it wants to be able to have that option as a sovereign state to be able to join nato if it so desires. it rejects russia's troop buildup. it's been concerned about the efforts to destabilize them politically inside the country. we heard from the nato secretary general ian stoltenberg. their position that they cannot become a member of nato is a non-starter as a negotiating position cannot be considered as a negotiating position for the current talks beginning. he welcomes the fact that russia will talk to nato. going to be speaking with ukraine as well. they will talk to ukraine over the next day or so. from nato perspective as well as a u.s. perspective, very clear. unlikely to achieve -- unlikely

and russia and the meetings later in the week with nato and the osce, all of this designed to deter russia0 troops to insaid ukraine. >> alex marquardt, thanks so much. >>> let's now bring in cnn's fareed zakaria, host of of "fareed zakaria gps." good to see you and happy new year. just a few questions to start off the new year. what do you hope will come out of the high-stakes talks in geneva this week? >> you're right to describe them as high stakes, fredericka, because putin has set out some very tough demands. if you look at them in the totality, they are really difficult to imagine how the west, biden, nato could accept them. they really would cripple nato's ability to defend the accept industries that it has taken in. you can't take you a krein into nato, but then it's many countries. you can't deploy any nuclear weapons in europe, you know, can't did i pleau any significant military hardware and can't engage in existing nato members. the question then becomes is being there a fullback that putin accept? is the fullback to guarantee that ukraine will not be a part of nato. is this ju

america is going fulfill its obligation which was approved at the highest level in the framework of the osce along with the right to choose alignses, the obligation does not strengthen anyone's security at the expense of infringing on the security of others. he promised to explain how the united states treats the fulfillment of this obligation. as i told you, this is is not the end of our dialogue. >> reporter: while the u.s. and russia say there will be further talks, russia's military build-up goes on. moscow saying it has now forward deployed sophisticated s400 anti-aircraft missiles to belarus, moscow says for upcoming military drills. both sides also raise the prospect of a possible top-level meeting between president joe biden and russian president vladimir putin in the near future. the u.s. saying such a meeting could happen if it were both necessary and productive. fred pleitgen, cnn, switzerland. >>> we have more from nic robertson. good to have you with us. after a 90-minute meeting, no major development, no end to this standoff. the u.s. and russia agreeing to continue dialogue an

the ones with nato and the ones with the osc organization for security and cooperation in europe. so those will be had on wednesday. and on thursday, russia's committed to those, but he said it's impossible, peskov said it's impossible to draw any conclusions ahead of that. so really russia sort of holding, you know, holding its decision about what happens next until the end of the week, until these talks are over. peskov also said that the issue of the united states saying that they would be heavy economic sanctions if russia invaded ukraine. despite the fact russia has said it has no intention to invade ukraine, the u.s. side said, well, if russia has no intention to invade ukraine, why not pull the troops back to their barracks and don't like the military actions near ukraine. they are concerned about that threat. the russian per specuperspectiv they don't intend to invade ukraine. peskov said the u.s. threats of sanctions, potential sanctions is not constructive, not constructive around the dialogue that's going on, isa. >> nic robertson for us this morning in geneva, thanks v

i came to geneva following up on last week's discussions at the nato russian council and the osce onin ukraine and broader security issues. our objective was to determine whether russia is prepared to take diplomatic path and other necessary steps to de-escalate the situation in ukraine and ultimately to resolve our differences through diplomacy and dialogue. the discussion today with mr. lavrov was frank and substantive. the position of the united states and our european allies and partners, that we stand firmly with ukraine in support of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. we have been clear, if any russian forces move across ukraine's border, that is a renewed invasion. it will be met with swift, severe, and united response from the united states and our partners and allies. we also know from experience that russia has an extensive playbook of aggression short of military action, including cyberattacks, paramilitary tactics, and other means, advancing their interests aggressively without using military action. those types of russian aggression will also be met with a decisi

would be a resolution, perhaps moving back to minsk and/or finding eu as a vehicle or finding the osce think this is hopeful that there ongoing meetings because i do think the crisis immediately, the importance of that been diffused and gives them space. nermeen: before we turn to other aspects of biden's comments yesterday and assessment of his first year in office, one last point on what is happening n in ukraine. the u.s. and eu have discussed the possibility of wide-ranging sanctions against russia as a first step. there are already sancons in place. could you say something about the kinds of sanctions that are being ctemplated and the significance of the u.s. possibly cutting russia off from the dollar-denominated international financial system, what would that mean and how likely is it? >> well, i think you're certainly hearing a lot of talk about punitive sanctions. first of all, one needs to understand their alrdy layers and layers a sanctions on russia. the democratsut forth their section the other day and i believe it was cruz put forward. i think this was a removing russia f

on the russia thing sergei lavrov was speaking about in geneva, as part of the osce, the sort of globe interest straddling organization of 57 different nations which the united states and russia remembers, russia said the united states signed up to an agreement that says no one country's security could infringe on another country's security. the point being that there is perhaps potentially an arrangement, arms control, potentially, you know, troop training reductions close to the border, notifications, reciprocity on both sides is what the united states and its allies are talking about if russia wants to go down that path. but the bottom line here is that russia hasn't indicated a serious willingness to go down that path so far, and its other demands are so maximalist and are not going to happen, it's very hard to see how president putin who believes ukraine should be part of russia can step back from those very big high demands and has made a lot of noise about and accept something much smaller, arms control negotiations that take a long time to organize. it seems so unlikely at this

and then after that, the day after that with the osce, the chances of a breakthrough here, because the issues are so thorny and president putin has set a very high bar for what he wants, these legally binding guarantees from the united states, that nato will not accept ukraine as a member and also nato will ultimately roll back its forces on the borders of eastern europe. these are very, very high bars. so in advance of those talks, you know, the conversation with president zelensky today is really going to lay out the groundwork, perhaps refresh president zelensky on what president biden heard from president putin and reassurances and from the ukrainian side, you know, a call for more weapons. but it doesn't really change anything going into these upcoming talks. >> yeah, you know, i would argue, nic, that vladimir putin has gotten everything he wanted out of this so far. and he certainly got the attention of the biden administration, which is no small feat right now. having said that, he's also managed to deflect from some really urgent issues of his own and his own country. and some

and the only meeting where the ukrainians do have a seat at the table is at the osc meeting, the thirdnce. so they're nervous about being left out of this discussion and it's important that biden talks to president zelensky before these other talks get under way. >> for the second time in a month, president biden and president putin spoke. this second one on thursday. is this telediplomacy working or signalling to you this is a moment of crisis, as one administration official has already described it. >> i think it's too early to tell. i'm extremely nervous about what putin has said. i'm extremely nervous about the conditions, the concessions is a better word, that he outlined in his draft treaties. he published two treaties. one with nato and one with the united states. they unilaterally wrote them and then basically said to washington and brussels, now you just have to sign the treaty we wrote. there's lots of things that there's no way president biden could or should agree to including some type of freeze on nato expansion. that said, it's better to talk than to go to war. and that

but we are working in close lockstep with nato, with our european partners, with the osce. there's clarity and resolve and uh united commitment to take coordinated united steps should russia invade. reporter: it seems that the unity is very clear and obvious in public on the invasion part, not so much if we talk about other forms of aggression. is that right? jen: again, there are -- as the president said this morning and as i said in my comments, obviously there are a range of tools at our disposal as there are a range of tools at the disposal of our partners. we are prepare forward range of steps or actions the rugs could take. we've seen this before. i'm not going to outline every step and what it mean but that's part of the discussion with our partner. reporter: and much bigger picture since this is the one-year anniversary if you take all the foreign policy el ltment -- elements that happened, pulling out of afghanistan, the crisis with france, how would you assess the first year when it comes to foreign policy? jen: what the president is most proud of is rebuilding ou

both directly with us at nato at the osce and we'll see if there are grounds for moving forward. here's what i can say. first, any progress that we're going to make is going to have to happen on a reciprocal basis, by which i mean if the united states and europe are taking steps to address some of russia's concerns, russia will have to do the same thing. second, nothing's happening without europe, and third, it's hard to see making actual progress as opposed to talking in and atmosphere of escalation with a gun to ukraine's head. so if we're actually going to make progress, we're going to have to see deescalation, russia pulling back from the threat that it currently poses to ukraine. >> you didn't rule any of those out. they're not enough the table as the earlier items were. let me ask you, going forward, if those concessions are a possibility, you must -- possibilities, you must be worried about creating a precedent in which putin at any moment can throw 100,000 troops on a border and threat on it invade a country until the u.s. gives him some of what he wants, the very scenari

last week at the dialogue between the united states and russia, at the nato russian council, is he osc, to make sure that we fully understood each other's positions, each other's concerns. but it's very important to equally be clear about things we will not do. and one of those is we will not go back on the fundamental principles that we have. and that we're committed to defend. we will continue to prepare resolutely to both paths that we've laid out for russia. the path of diplomacy and dialogue. or the path of renewed aggression, confrontation and consequences. >> i'll be joined here today by nbc's senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. back in washington throughout the hour, garrett will be leading the way, but we begin with the at miller, former allied commander, michael mcfaul from the u.s. ambassador to russia during the obama administration. and rich haase, president of the council on foreign relations. gentlemen, secretary blinken is spending yet another day cleaning up with allies and the russians, most importantly, president biden's comments on wednesday when the pr

on wednesday, the meetings then move on to nato in brussels and then on the osce in europe on thursdayto economic sanctions, unprecedented, massive sanctions against russia in order to make the possibility of going into ukraine very untenable for them. john. >> all kinds of concerns about diplomatic traps being set by the russians this week. we're lucky to have you there. please keep us posted. >>> all right. let's get the view from moscow on these talks and bring in cnn's matthew chance. math chew, if you can give us a sense how russia is approaching the talks and what's at stake here. >> reporter: well, as alex was saying, i mean, it looks like these are the kinds of talks that are doomed from the outset with the extraordinary, you know, unacceptable demands, according to officials that the russians have set out as a basis for the discussions. namely, an end to any expansion of the nato military alliance, a pull back of weapons from countries in nato that joined the alliance after the fall of the soviet union. you know, western officials have made it quite clear that that is not some

they're going to go through what i think will be more ritualistic talks in the russia nato forum and the osce, but the key thing for me is when -- there he is right there, deputy foreign minister rib kof says we do not plan to invade ukraine. we want to keep talking. that's a good sign. and when you think about other negotiations, including ones that i was involved in, for instance, about the new start treaty, if you go back to the beginning of the negotiations of the new start treaty -- by the way, negotiated mostly in geneva -- the russians said many, many times we will not sign that agreement without some legal constraints on your missile defense systems. and we said 400 times we're not going to sign an agreement with legal constraints on our missile defenses, even though we weren't planning to deploy missile defenses that could repel a russian attack. this reminds me of max mist positions that suggest today, if you read the tea leaves, that maybe there's room for compromise if we sit down and have a giant negotiation, but a negotiation that if it's real, it's going to take years to accomp