page 29, in talking -- when you were interviewing commissioner osendorf. he says the general council, the attorney, told the commissioner it was his experience that there were certain issues the chairman does not want to hear from him on. he goes on to say the conversation left him with an impression there probably was not an open trirmente to provide unfiltered advice to the chairman without fear of retribution. is this the way we have due process carried out in our administrative boards or commissions here? going back to the whole idea of due process and getting something done" did that occur under the policy of the commission. >> that's what we were told. this is what commissioner osendorf said, the general council told him. >> and again, in your opening statement, again, intriguing. page 7 again in your first full paragraph, when you said in the second line, o.i.g. found the chairman had authority to direct staff to follow the f.y. 2001 budget gun and was not forthcoming to stop work on the s.e.r. to close out the activity. again, is that proper proced