and the critics say they don't see osha putting two and two together. you have a successful programicate it? >> well, once again, scott, as i indicated to you, i think it's the fact that we do have-- our standards are in place. and we are looking at the data that we have. >> ed foulke told us he hasn't ruled out issuing a new industrial dust standard. but he says that the issues are complex and need study. >> to go across all the industries, we're talking about tens of thousands of facilities. we're talking about hundreds of types of processes, at least, maybe thousands of types of processes. >> when someone says that this is all very complex, and we don't understand it, well, therefore, we can't regulate it, you say what? >> it's just a delay mechanism from actually doing anything. >> you were appointed to the chemical safety board by president bush. >> that's correct. >> what has your experience been with regard to safety regulations in the bush administration? >> the basic disappointment has been this attitude of no new regulation. they don't want industry to be pestered. in some