the idea of oslo is not going to work.is not just one side or the other and we do not try to argue that in the film. there is a huge human rights issue and question that has to be addressed right now and we are only telling a history story. we are not pretending to say something specific about now except at least there was an effort to make change. anchor: one of the people that intrigued me was as in -- was an israeli politician who kept a secret from his boss. daniel worked with his right hand. are there any yosi baylins brewing in the political system today? are there palestinian leaders? we have not had elections for over a decad abbas just delayed the elections again. are there stars rising? >> of course, individuals and leadership matters. there are no yosis is the short answer, but the longer answer is those things tend to be contingent. under circumstances of zero accountability for israel and maximum impunity, circumstances guaranteed unfortunately by american policy, foreign policy, under those circumstances yosi

and executive producer of the new film adaptation of "oslo."lo? there's been other peace attempts since then. why was this attempt at peace between the israelis and the palestinians the one you chose to focus on? >> i knew the couple. our daughters were best friends in second grade. i had gotten to known tyra larsen quite well, but i also felt like theatrically it was the most interesting and compelling event. you can take sworn enemies, put them in a room together, make them discuss their issues and problems, and it feels like the kind of thing which would make great theater at the time. when we did it in 2016, all anyone talked about was republicans and democrats. it's the perfect ingredient. >> it is remarkably timely now, the theatrical release. when i saw it on broadway i thought to myself i fully know how this ends, and it will be bad. why am i interested in sitting through two hours and 55 minutes of dialogue exclusively to hear these negotiations. there was something remarkably poignant in those negotiations which were based on the trut

the issue of oslo is not a documentary film. it's actually a horror movie. and the reason that it's a horror movie is because this wasn't just a question of setting a bar, but it has actually changed the course of history for palestinians to the negative . what it meant was that it wasn't just a question of people coming into a room and sitting down and resolving differences as bartlett had said, but ignored and mass. the fact that palestinians have been living under a very brutal military occupation and have been denied their freedom. and so the whole formulation of all flo recreated history or spawn history on its head and spawn law and its head such that palestinians are now 4th to negotiate with their oppressor, with their occupier. rather than getting the world to put pressure on israel to end that military occupation and the lasting effects of that are we still feel to, to today everything from the dividing up of the land into various areas to the establishment of the palestinian authority that isn't its own independent government to the continued sett

accords, to look the signing of the oslo accords, to took at — the signing of the oslo accords, to tookr thoughts on the role played by the - thoughts on the role played by the biden administration? mr biden had said he expected a significant de—escalation for study has started. he got the de—escalation, but again if the _ he got the de—escalation, but again if the situation, to go back to blockades, that's not much of de—escalation. we have to look at what _ de—escalation. we have to look at what is _ de—escalation. we have to look at what is causing the radicalisation pub and — what is causing the radicalisation pub and only dealing with the blockade self and the palestinian society. — blockade self and the palestinian society, the election and to changem _ society, the election and to change... to reflect whether the direction — change... to reflect whether the direction the society is going helps the security or exactly the opposite. and the united states and europe _ opposite. and the united states and europe should play a more proactive role europe should play a more proactive rot

and the failure of the oslo process means the if we have a circle back to something, and i believe we will, it's just as likely, if not more, to be more of an equal right. struggle about what this one physical space is road is created. looks like perhaps on the south africa than it is going to be 2 parties, lycos low negotiating separation. that's a full line which has shifted only just ask you bart, whether in your discussions with mon, i'm sure i'm sure you're still speaking with her. does she herself think that was a completely unique moment or does she think that there's a role for players that are outside of the classic formal negotiations camp? because you know, the process is not yielded much success. i do think that diplomats in general, like, like mona, are always seeking ways to create other solutions rather than force. but that's, so that's the thing that they've always spoken to me about. but they were trying to be facilitators of change. they weren't trying to pretend it was up to them to make the change itself. thank you, but generally just ask you about the palestinian

how do you look at oslo with regard to where we are today in the role that people like you and daniel tried to move forward but, but ultimately we haven't moved that far forward for pounds demands. the issue of our slow is not a documentary film. it's actually a horror movie and the reason that it's a horror movie is because this wasn't just a question of setting a bar, but it has actually changed the course of history. propel tinian to the negative. what it meant was that it wasn't just a question of people coming into a room and sitting down or resolving differences as bartlett had said, but ignored in math. the fact that palestinians have been living under a very brutal military occupation and have been denied their freedom. and so the whole formulation of off low recreated history spawn history on it hadn't spawn law and it's had such that palestinians are now 4th to negotiate with their oppressor, with their occupier. rather than getting the world to put pressure on israel to end that military occupation and the lasting effects of that are we still feel to, to today everything fr

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that has led them into a role which sort of kick starts the oslo peace agreement in 1993, which was seens a process. the hope that the process would lead them into an end to the conflict. instead, it has ended as a process, have made many compromises and the return has been negligible. as far as they are concerned, and has been the opposite. they have lost their land. there is no practical way of having the two state solution because of that fragmented organization. anchor: we have this ongoing apartheid which is a daily factor of life, we have the latest bout of aggression in gaza, what elements of what we are seeing in gaza might constitute war crimes? >> every state has the right to self-defense, [indiscernible] but happening in gaza is there are strong evidence that there are ongoing war crimes committed against the civilian population in gaza. exactly like it happened in 2008, 2009, 2015. [indiscernible] this approach was already denounced by the u.n. commission of inquiry into thousand nine, 2014. clearly establishing that the israeli authorities were responsible. [indiscernible] i

there have been negotiations for 27 years now in oslo.iven the huge imbalance of power between the two parties, the negotiations are not likely to produce anything unless there is very strong pressure put on israel. that is not happening. >> you make interesting points. can i ask your feeling about the political power backing the moment. in many ways, it is set the scene for what has since lapsed and what is continuing to happen. unless that is sorted out and leadership is put in place, how can things begin to change? >> given that the western are not really doing anything to solve the issue, we are sending a message, the western democracies i am talking as a citizen of canada. we are sending a message to the palestinians that our belief and international law and liberal values does not hold an it comes to them. we are not serious about this. it means something important. if we are not able to pressure israel to comply with international law, is up to them to do it. they don't have the power. what can they do? they can only resist, protes

and oslo actually.my instructions were to make sure that nothing was adopted at the conference that prevented freedom of expression. whatever it could be. of course i tried to follow my instructions. that was shortly after the wall came down. a yugoslavia representative at the same conference came to me and said it's maybe easy for you and america to take this position. but we're living in a country without these different ethnic groups. and i just thought of this is a foolish remark. he just doesn't understand. then of course you saw what happened in bosnia. so it depends on where you are. >> we were to mind going to this woman has been very patient down here? sorry. all the way in the corner. >> first of all, i want to say thank you and what a privilege. being a brit born just after the war married to a german and lived in germany i want to know if you have children, as we do? and how you feel going forward, do we have good opportunities to have learned why these bad experiences, hopefully turned them

destroyed that prospect of the oslo peace accords, and left the palestine authority with only 40% of west bank, and even there, they armed the thumb of the israeli military occupation. they can't do anything israel doesn't want them to do when they are basically policing these people for israel. so richard haas is just wrong about mahmoud abbas. it is the situation on the ground. people in the night and states don't actually follow events in the west bank and gaza and they are almost never on the news, unless there is a big blowup like this. but if you read palestinian -israeli newspapers about what has been going on in every little town and village in the west bank, you see brutalization, colonization, militant squatter/settlers from israel and palestinian land that they stole from palestinian families, burning down their olive trees, cutting them down, invading their property, building on it, taking over their homes. and this is a daily staccato performance of occupation. and in gaza, the israelis bombed the airport 20 years ago. and gaza depends heavily on fish for protein, they a

and move toward a two state solution that obviously was most prominent in the early 90's during the oslo process. but many israeli jews are disillusioned by the violence of the second intifada and they result of leaving gaza in 2005 and the rockets they have dealt with subsequently. it isn't only about palestinian violence. israelis have been moving more rightward in general. we saw this last spring and summer with the real push inside israel toot only ditch a two state solution but to go so far as to annex parts of the west bank. that process only ended with the normalization agreements which arab states -- it's certainly going to return and within israel, there's very little appetite for any type of two state outcome and fundamentally, this is a critical problem and going to remain a critical problem. anchor: can you envision a process of reconciliation? how do you see the future? many say we are looking at a de facto one state. guest: i don't think we are looking at a defective one state. i don't think israeli jews are going to give up the idea of a jewish state so easily after fighti

dating back to the oslo accords and the idea of a two state solution.at still a live and well solution, the two state solution? or does it seem you're going to be working in one divided state? >> is a humanitarian organization -- as a humanitarian organization, we look at the suffering and vulnerability of the people we work with. the bigger political solutions, we expect the politicians to come up with. with a huge say of the palestinians and israelis in it. that is up to them to figure out. what i can tell you is, that from where we stand, what we see on a daily basis, there are systemic injustices, systemic inequality, there are all the ingredients for this kind of escalation to come back in a few years, unless it is tackled. this is what we have seen in 2009, 2012, 214, now 2021. we are going to go through this again until this is -- unless this is tackled head on. and that is the systemic injustice palestinians are facing. it's also about the peace and security for the israelis themselves. we want both the palestians and israelis to live in peace a

as the chairman of the human rights foundation, i can tell you that -- and oslo freedom forum -- it'ssignature event that i've been doing for many years. so, we had guests and speakers and human-rights activists from all the countries no matter whether they were pro-american or anti-american. >> garry kasparov, thank you for joining me at "firing line." >> thanks again for inviting me. >> "firing line with margaret hoover" is made possible in part by... and by... corporate funding is provided by... ♪♪ >> you're watching pbs. yamiche: gaslighting, gas lines, and governing. president biden: if you are fully vaccinated you no longer need to wear a mask. yamiche: in the fight against covid, president biden announces a big step forward. >> i will do everything i can to ensure that the former president never again gets anywhere near the oval office. yamiche: and congresswoman liz cheney is purged and replaced for pushing back on election lies. president biden: don't panic number one. i know seeing lines at the pumps or gas stations with no gas can be extremely stressful. but this is a tempo

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as the chairman of the human rights foundation, i can tell you that -- and oslo freedom forum -- it'ssignature event that i've been doing for many years. so, we had guests and speakers and human-rights activists from all the countries no matter whether they were pro-american or anti-american. >> garry kasparov, thank you for joining me at "firing line." >> thanks again for inviting me. >> "firing line with margaret hoover" is made possible in part by... and by... corporate funding is provided by... ♪♪ >> you'rwatching pbs. the people who give the momoneyo make mister rogers' neighborhood are the people who contribute to this and other public television stations and: [captioning sponsored by the u.s. department of education] ♪ it's a beautiful day in this neighborhood ♪ ♪ a beautiful day for a neighbor ♪ ♪ would you be mine? ♪ ♪ could you be mine? ♪

centered on rights rather than real quality. various piece initiatives of the past 3 decades. 1993 oslo declaration of principles to the 2020 plan for peace peace prosperity plan or entirely on side of the framework of international law. human rights. this is allowed israel to make the core issues of self determination, annexation and silence gospel issues rather than issues of profound legality from which israel must be dismissed. this is enabled israel to negotiate from a strength of its many illegal facts on the ground rather than from the framework of fundamental rights and legal duties. and this is the overriding reason why so many of these piece cross initiatives failed. the civil reality is of the occupation has become as entrenched and sustainable as it has because the international community has never imposed meaningful costs on israel for acting as an inquisitive and defiant, occupying power, the corrosion accordingly. i urge that the human rights councils of future work on the israeli occupation must be guided by these 3 principles. one, the diplomatic framework for fully end

as the chairman of the human rights foundation, i can tell you that -- and oslo freedom forum -- it'ssignature event that i've been doing for many years. so, we had guests and speakers and human-rights activists from all the countries no matter whether they were pro-american or anti-american. >> garry kasparov, thank you for joining me at "firing line." >> thanks again for inviting me. >> "firing line with margaret hoover" is made possible in part by... and by... corporate funding is provided by... ♪♪ >> you're watching pbs. ♪ >>> hello everyone, and welcome to "amanpour & company." here's what's coming up. >>> the victims of violence, israeli and palestinians share their devastating stories of losing a child and why they are working together for peace. >>> then -- >> come on. >> megastar matthew mcconaughey takes his talents off screen and onto paper writing "green lights," a collection of personal stories. >> plus i see value in myself and i hope others see val

all right, let's bring our guests in addis ababa. samuel, get you, is a journalist in oslo. go to him, gabriel. the well is political analysts and researcher focusing on the horn of africa. in washington, d. c. william lawrence is former us diplomat and professor of international relations at american university, a warm welcome to you all, samuel, let me start with you today. if your p and diplomats have said that if washington implements these measures, if you will impose restrictions on visas for american officials, how is all of this going to impact the ethiopian us relationship? let me begin by 1st of all saying thank you for inviting me. you know, sanctions has never worked in any, most of the countries that has been sanctioned by the u. s. the inside is reacting to what's, what's been happening or the discussions are taking place in washington dc with the bite and administration. but you have to appreciate the fact that what has we truly changed as the for an investment that has been coming to go beyond the visa restrictions. there's an assumption that everyone wants t

the oslo peace agreement in 1983 which was seen as a process and the hope that this process would lead them into an end to the conflict and instead of doing so it has ended just as a process they've made many many compromises and their return has been negligible ok and they're concerned it's been the opposite they've lost their land. there's no practical way of having now 2 state solutions because of that fragmentation of the palestinian right because of rene alternately to move on. to the program but christina so we have this this ongoing apartheid which is a daily fact of life then we have this latest bout of aggression in gaza what elements of what we're seeing in gaza might constitute war crimes. well. i think that what i was a little question before is the faces of the likes of the fans but no state has the right tool for me to work on its crimes and assume i can genocide it yeah what's happening in these big seemed to last few days he got that there is a clear strong evidence already collected by a palestinian and you also did the d.c. . work crimes committed against the civilian

but 1st let's focus on the positive look at some of these high temperatures, oslo 26, and london. what's this high? 20 for monday afternoon with plenty of sun. okay. off the greece and turkey right now, where we have that batch of wet weather moving across the north, eventually spilling into turkey. and i think it's mere rate through to antalya. we run the risk of seeing some hail as a result of thunderstorms, temperatures here well below average, and not too long ago you were in the mid thirty's. so big drop in temperatures, risk of thunderstorms for a morocco into parts of northern algeria. and tunisia as well, cairo, you have a high of 40 on monday, the just a world that goes to algeria and she nidia to meet some of the world's most passionate football fan. i sold my clothes to go to the stadium. lloyd supported all football, hooligan, waving streams, fandom can have life changing consequences. i don't remember how i only felt the flame burning deadly gave algeria, and dizzy and firm on al jazeera is all too familiar. innocent lives ended in an instant. then grief anger and the

here in oslo and the roof of us i'm in london a former member of the israeli parliament who served as a senior advisor to a previous president shared with his their thoughts on the escalating situation all of this force this has been used is because a red line has been passed shooting so many rockets into civilian population concentrations is. despicable i heard they are something that absolutely no country or force in shooting would have anything to do with agreed to in any possible way and israel has had the south settlements really the people living there at been in israel proper by the way on our side of the border alongside the gaza border living in absolute trauma for years children have been truly traumatized and we the sirens and the rockets and this is not something new this is not sustainable it cannot go on and by the way my heart goes out to the gazan population as well they have been. inhumanely used as human shields by the hamas the hamas is shooting rockets from civilian populations not from the outskirts of gaza but from within he had and that is something that the int

all of palestine by the late ninety's and maybe not 10 yah, himself. destroyed that prospect of the oslo peace accords and left the color, staying authority with only 40 percent of the west bank and even they're, they're, they're under the thumb of the israeli military occupation. they can't do anything with israel, doesn't want them to do. and they're basically policing these people for israel. so ma'am, i mean richard hobbs just wrong. what about the situation on the ground? the people in the united states don't, don't actually follow events in the west bank and gaza and they're almost never on the news unless there's some big blow up like this. but if you read the, the colors sitting israeli newspapers about what's been going on in every little town in and dillard's in the west bank, then you see, brutalization, you can see colonization. you see these militant squatters settlers from israel on palestinian land that they stole from palestinian families a burning down there. all of trees cutting them down in dating their property, a building on it, taking over their homes. and this is a

israel and palestinians and work towards greater israel by bringing through a flawed process called oslo settlements throughout the years when also was signed back in 9394 there were 100 hardly 150000 settlers inside the occupied territories particular the west bank and jerusalem today the number over 800000 including east jerusalem which makes any kind of political settlement impossible now keep in mind that much of the settler movements have been financed directly by u. s. the extremist jewish extremists particular you know sheldon adelson who who died few months ago who was actually the chief financier of the settlements around jerusalem today the problem in shamrock which is a district in jerusalem the the the the claim that these these buildings belong to a settler movement at least these movements are being financed by extreme of mit's within the united states in the united states and you know i'm getting even tax free. tax free status so he did us has been part and parcel of this problem the extremist right has been part at the center of this and also the extreme extreme is in the

the highly respected voice of hanan ashrawi, one of the leaders of the negotiating team around the oslotponing these elections will lead to a great deal of anger. it could see people, palestinian people, refusing to recognise the legitimacy of their leadership, even declaring civil disobedience." this is where you, the palestinians, are today. you see, you've selectively took one of hanan�*s very credible lines, but hanan is busy, as we speak now, really focusing on the root cause of all this, the real matter. she's focusing and we are focusing on that this is a moment when israel has got to change its approach towards the palestinians. and we are also focusing on this is a moment when the world has to change its approach towards israel. and once we do that, then we will discuss this individual and that individual. elections are an absolute necessity, but they are the tools, the means towards the main objective, and the main objective of our people is freedom. we want to get rid of this virus. this virus is lethal. it has been spreading for 100 years. we cannot convene normal, natural e

forces in a way that even if nobody has said accept israel's existence you know forever but except be oslo accords sort of with the formula that people talk about in a couple of times almost happen and hamas hasn't been ready to do that because they won the cup and i mean or israel because it's obviously having said lose the. foot of the land but in any event why would they do that given the masses the democratically elected government of gaza and obviously firmly opposed to the palestinian authorities canceling of elections and basically the polls show that 52 percent maybe more favor of the armed struggle now against israel look for still i'm not going to say that anybody is completely clean here ok i think israel has definitely made mistakes also but the question is is there a party on the other side in the west bank to talk to yes there is is there really a part of talks in gaza i don't know until now we haven't gotten to that point so what does israel do then if there is nobody really to talk to to get to an agreement occur you know or it's a 10 year ceasefire or something like that w

initiated negotiations on backin that we initiated negotiations on back in 1993 when i helped make the oslooccupation. an agreement on the status of jerusalem. the borders. and to the illegal settlements. and to evictions of palestinians from their own mind, to the benefit of illegal settlements. all of these things that are feelings of astronomic injustice, that fuels new generations of hatred. both sides need to understand now that they will have to accept american leadership, which we hope that the us will step up to assure. so that there is some sort of arbitration, because we are sick and tired of rebuilding, to see it torn down. we are accumulating rubble. we are not even have built up what was destroyed in the previous wars. so please, uk also, having a historic responsibility of support for how things have turned out in the middle east, we need leadership for political settlements. we are humanitarians, we can save lives, but we cannot find a solution to the underlying injustice.— underlying in'ustice. secretary general of— underlying injustice. secretary general of the _ underlying

israeli will on palestinians and work towards greater israel by drinking through a flawed process called oslo settlements throughout the years when also was signed back in 9394 there were 100 hardly 150000 settlers inside the occupied territories particular the west bank and jerusalem today the number over 800000 including east jerusalem which makes any kind of political settlement impossible now keep in mind that much of these settler movements have been financed directly by u. s. the extremist jewish extremist particularly no children innocent who who died few months ago who was actually the chief financier of the settlements around jerusalem today the problem in shamrock which is a district in jerusalem the the the the claim that these these buildings belong to a settler movement at least these movements are being financed by extreme movements within the united states in the united states and you know and getting even tax free. tax free status so he did us has been part and parcel of this problem the extremist right has been part at the center of this and also the extreme the extremists in

startups in oslo are looking for solutions. one idea is a design for underwater traps for sustainable fishing. the startups founders need funding. for investors like talk about new start it's a chance to save the world and make money. the goal is we're looking for the best farmers that's folks and solving problems as a core of their business using technology at scale that. making huge policy impact in the world at the same time as making great profits from nationally. is heir to a norwegian real estate empire he's determined to prove the finance sector the environmental protection can bring a profit. and his business partner muffins york bhawan have big plans in store for the start up to get the nod. to receive training for mentors in finance and industry. so risk their goal is to help the starters of the willing courage change across entire industries. like composing. the risk. is the world of finance ready to go green for their projects to start and power are planning to use their influential network and banking and industry.

>> in oslo i met with, i think a fellow named john finer may have been with me in oslo and in new york can't remember who was with me in new york. during the united nations meeting and the oslo meeting which i did with the former high representative -- no, she was then still sitting representative and it was hosted by the norwegian peace institute. >> i'm just asking which u.s. participants were in the meeting. any other names? >> i had other people with me. i'd have to go back and figure out. i don't recall who was the traveling party. >> did the discussion involve foreign affairs? >> yeah. >> did it involve u.s. foreign policy? >> i mean it involved sort of listening to views of what is happening in the world and where are we and where are we going and what do you think about this. general conversation similar to when by the way that many members of congress met with him during that same period when i was in new york and had a meeting in new york. he met with congress and he met with "new york times" editorial board and he was on tv. >> yeah, i'm just asking about your meetings. any

a university of oslo study in europe shows that over the past 30 years germany has had the most far rightear frankfurt, a far right gunman killed ten people in two bars last february. politically motivated crimes like that were up by an alarming 28%. with elections four months away authorities warn it's a particularly unstable time. they worry that far right groups will use frustration with repeated lockdowns and a botched vaccine rollout to stir up resentment toward the government and encourage sedition. all this comes at a time of major political transition. after 15 years of angela merkel influence at the helm, germany will be electing a new chancellor come september. the record breaking year germany just experienced is the latest in a years long upward trend and that trend is made even more striking by the fact that it seems to have emerged in reaction to an imaginary crisis. official data shows that far right crimes saw their first major spike in 2015. the year merkel decided to open her country's borders to a large number of migrants, many fleeing war torn syria. eventually, over 1.

do you think there's any hope we can get back to the oslo accords come and talk about a two state solutionlian: no. to put a fine point on it, i wanted to make a comment, juan, if i may, about what is happening here. watching this footage is like -- the rest of america is finally waking up to the reality that american jews have been ringing alarm bells about four years now, that anti-semitism is alive. it's more virulent than ever before inside the united states, and it's spreading like wildfire. there was this pew survey, they do these periodically, it came out a few days ago -- and three quarters of american think there's more anti-semitism in the united states today than 5 years ago, and more than half of american, 53%, say that as a jewish person in the united states, they feel personally less safe now than they did 5 years ago. this speaks to the timeline here. this is not a new problem. this is the first time we are may be seeing anti-semitic violence erupted in broad daylight in the middle of times square for a long time, but this problem has been bubbling in a simmering and now exp

also, the oslo years, 27, 28 years of so-called peace process and we get increasing violence becauset enough -- to get to the underlying issues of the conflict. it has to be a fair and just solution. i tend to think that two state solution in one form or another, different what we saw years ago can still work. the situation in which gaza is located, the west bank is occupied as is jerusalem, the rights of so many millions of palestinians deprived and the same we see actually in israel when you have a group of people, the majority, and the minority that are discriminated and second class citizens. this is what is not sustainable, and this has to be resolved in a very courageous way. you almost need to change your system and look for a massive upgrade. >> yeah. we'll see whether either side has the courage for that and it will take the help of the international community there to make that happen. but i want to focus again back on israel, you know, the conflict within israel itself, between the mixed arab israeli communities, neighbors living side by side, when, you know, eventually th

hamas still in control in gaza, the palestinian authority is pretty weak in terms of leadership, the osloeement is pretty much gone. where do we start not to mention where is the will? >> reporter: that's right, michael. when we see flare-ups of violence and fighting between israel and hamas in the gaza strip although we hear from the u.n. secretary general saying there really needs to be more talk, serious dialogue to address the root causes of the conflict in his words, what many israeli politicians and many israelis see, look, israel got out of the gaza strip more than 15 years ago and this is what has happened. imagine if we got out completely of the west bank, it would be even more threatening to israel and its safety and security. so if anything when we see these rounds of fighting it doesn't necessarily convince people that something needs to be done to resolve this once and for all, it convinces them the status quo ante where we have seen effectively no progress whatsoever in the peace process between israel and the palestinians over the past year, it convinces certainly politicia

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which eventually led to adoption of the oslo accords he joins us now from tel aviv thanks very much indeed for being with us i just want to start off by may with with netanyahu his comments just now so no sign that he's prepared to scale down the the offensive in gaza well i believe that it will not take. many days i think the should have been over and i'm not expecting him to say that these going to end the immediately. that doesn't mean that this operation is going. to go back to the the the issue of intercommunal violence in israel i mean that is ready prime and he's ready president has said that under civil war if this continues these clashes continue. as have been the thing that this particular round of violence the thing that has shocked israel most and perhaps made a question whether is the right thing to do to continue attacking gaza and giving people a reason to be to be angry what i'm not sure whether this is necessarily the lesson for everyone but you're right it was shocking and it reminds us what happened in 2000 in september 2000 and usually the feeling is of. a free in surpr

also, the oslo years. 27, 28 years of so-called peace process and we get increasing violence becausere is not enough courage to deal with the underlying issues of the conflict. now, it has to be a fair-and-just solution. i tend to think that two-state solution, in one form and another, different what we envision 27 years ago, maybe, in a confederate system. can -- can still work. what can't work is still situation in which gaza is located. the west bank is -- is occupied, as is jerusalem. the -- the rise of so lives of so many palestinians deprived. and we see in israel, where you have a group of people, the majority. and the minority felt discriminated and second-class citizens. this is what i argue is not sustainable and this is to be resolved in a very courageous way. you almost need to change your operation of system. and look for -- for a massive upgrade. >>> u.s. troops are drawing down their numbers in afghanistan. but questions remain among them. what will happen to local afghans who work for americans who may be targets after they leave? that's ahead. >>> plus, pope francis

>> is it safe to say you see the two-state solution or the oslo process as defunct and no longer a viable option? >> it's true to say that we need to look at creative solutions. you know, i came at the agent in a high-tech arena as a startup entrepreneur. what i learned there is when you try something again and again, it doesn't work, you have to try creative and novel solutions. there's a lot of great things we can do. >> can you be specific about one or two of them? >> fundamental -- >> can you be specific about one or two of them? >> yeah. economy, get people jobs. i believe in people. i believe in dialogue. i believe in actual life versus building another terror state like the one we unfortunately allowed to develop down in gaza. >> just to be clear, the scenario you're describing, would palestinians have full, equal rights? >> they have rights to vote. they have equal rights in their parliament. they can vote. they decided to postpone the elections. there's just one thing that we can't allow them, the right to kill us. that's one right that we're not going to provide them. >> i think