. >>> i will talk to president-elect biden's covid transition head, michael osterholm. joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news correspondent carol lee, republican stratist ard card nis, maria teresa kumar, president of voto latino, and jeffrey golderg, editor and chief of "the atlantic." welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> and a good sunday morning. >>> nearly two weeks after a election contest won by joe biden by more than 5.5 million votes so far and a comfortable electoral vote margin, the country is facing two interconnected crisis. one, the president of the united states refuses to concede the election, claiming falsely it was somewhat stolen. his attorney general is currently investigating voter froud despite of lack of evidence any exists. his secretary of state is suggesting the president will be naug rated for a second term. perhaps he was kidding. the president fired his defense secretary and filling the defense

osterholm. joining me for insightel and analysis are nbc news correspondent carol lee, republicanl strategist al cardenas, maria teresa kumar, president ofsa voto latino, and jerry goer jeffrey goldberg, editor in chief of "the atlantic." if it's sunday, " it's "meet th press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show inth television history, ts is "meet the press with chuck todd."ru >>> and a good sunday morning. nearly two weeks after an election-day a contest won by j biden by more than 5.5 million votes, so far, and by a comfortable electoral vote margin, the country is facing two interconnected crises. one, the president of the united states refuses to concede the election, claiming falsely that it was somehow stolen. his attorney general is currently encouraging investigations into voter fraud, despite a lack of evidence that exists. the secretary of state is suggesting the president will be inaugurated for a second term. perhaps he was kidding. the president has

michael osterholm, we've been warning you about him, on the task force as well.his is what the good doctor just told cnbc today. >> what america has to understand as we are about to enter covid. we haven't even come close to the peak and as such our hospitals are now being overrun. the next three or four months will be by far the darkest of the pandemic. >> laura: the long, dark winter's back. biden also appointed dr. vic murthy to cochair the covid task force. when they announced a vaccine could be ready in november, this is what he did to throw cold water on the idea. >> i think it's very difficult to give specific dates, you had to be clear about the distribution plan for this vaccine because it will take months to get the vaccine out even under optimal circumstances which is why the vaccination campaign we developed has to be top-notch and executed well. >> laura: i guess he forgot to buy a vowel. fortunately for the restst of us that nd was wrong and trump was right. today pfizer announced promising early results from its clinical vaccine trials. anticipate

professor osterholm, i appreciate your time. and thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> now i want to go to someone who's working on the vaccine we got news on today from moderna, dr. carlos del rio, an investigator in the vaccine trial and executive associate dean at the emory university school of medicine. doctor, good to have you back on. you were always frank with us and very -- but optimistic when we spoke through the summer and spring. when do you think americans are going to start to get what professor osterholm just said, vaccines in their arms with the moderna vaccine? >> well, erin, i think the news today was really fantastic. and it was fantastic because you know, last week we had pfizer, this week we have moderna. and they both are aligned. they both show over 90% efficacy in this interim analysis. so it shows that this platform is effective. it also shows that the target of the vaccine, which is the spike protein in the virus, is the right target to produce neutralizing antibodies that will protect you from getting

osterholm has taught me this, this idea that ultimately if hospitals become really pushed to the point where they can no longer take patients and people in these communities are trying to get their loved one who is having a hard time breathing into a hospital and they're being told we're full or they have to be moved out of state or to a different region i think it becomes very real for people at that point. you know, john, i don't know what it would take frankly at this point. i mean, it's really frustrating to be honest with you. we tell you 60,000 people are in the hospital right now because they're sick with covid. nearly 250,000 people have died. it should be enough. if i tell you that the numbers of people who are infect sd likely to go to 300,000 by the end of the year according to the models, that 2,200 people will die every day by the end of january according to the models and 400,000 will have died by february, isn't that enough? i don't know. i guess, john, i'm flailing here on the answer to your question because i feel like we have explained this over and over again for eig

michael osterholm, director of research and policy and also a member of president-elect biden's covid-19 advisory board. great to see you. doctor, talk to me about these two vaccines. the fda is going to meet on pfizer's december 10th, moderna's on the 17th. what does that tell us about a timeline for people actually getting the vaccine? >> well, having both of these vaccines is light at the end of the tunnel. it's what we all need to keep our focus on and get to. the challenge we'll have is get ago as much as we want as quickly as we want. it takes two doses for each individual. when we talk about 20 million doses, that's really 10 million people. and it's going to take us well into the second or third quarter of next year before we're going to have adequate vaccine supplies for most of the country. that means we have to continue

osterholm adding it was not a recommendation i have never made this recommendation to biden's group. we've never talked about it and tonight in response to a tweet from the president suggesting voter fraud the agency that oversees election security said in a statement, quote, there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes changed votes or was in any way compromised. lester >> all right kristen welker, thank you. >>> with biden ahead in georgia and both senate races there headed to runoffs that state is on the cusp of going blue for the first time in nearly 30 years with a lot of credit going to leading democrat stacey abrams blayne alexander spoke with her today >> reporter: for rasheeda mcnair a democratic victory was a long time coming. >> this is a great celebratory moment for all of us, for people of color, for people who waited hours on end. >> reporter: she was one of them. you have been here about three hours. >> i'm not leaving. >> reporter: from primary day to the general election - >> was it worth it >> absolutely worth it. >> reporter: it was experiences

i'm grant lotus and i'm vicki liviakis doctor michael osterholm says that a nationwide lockdown would drive. >>the number of new cases and hospitalizations down manageable level while the world around for a vaccine kron four's dan kerman joins us live from san francisco on what this could mean for the baiji zdan you hear the word. >>lockdown and everyone cringe is it sure seems like we need something more nuanced in surgical for different parts of the country. well that's what medical experts here say what we didn't hear just a few seconds ago was state medical expert in the bay area talking about. >>how things are bad in parts of the country but here in the bay area while they're going in the wrong direction, what he did not hear him just a few seconds ago it was the fact that they are still not going bad enough to require any sort of a full on lockdown in the bay area that's why medical experts here favor a regional approach. this is what san francisco looked like in march deserted streets following a covid-19 lockdown order has that same kind of shut down in the nation's future. du

. >> osterholm named adviser to president-elect biden said economic lockdown may be necessary. >> allre doing doesn't have much impact on this curve. i believe small businesses, schools want to do the right thing. it's hard without financial support to do that. >> recent polling finds 49% of americans are very likely to stay home for a month if public health officials recommend it. so what's the alternative? >> the best opposite strategy to locking down is to intensify public health measures. >> that strategy increasing across the country as the message becomes more urgent. >> i want to remind everybody how deadly this virus is. it hasn't abated, it hasn't changed. it's out there. >> even areas that seem to have the virus under control bringing back restrictions. new york and connecticut limiting private gatherings to just 10 people. new jersey forcing bars and restaurants to close indoor dining earlier starting today. coordinating with new england to ban interstate youth sports through at least the end of the year. >> our numbers have gone up dramatically. everything is going in the

let's discuss with michael osterholm.e's the director of infectious disease research and he's a new member of the biden coronavirus board. professor, thanks so much for joining us. you and other experts on this advisory board, it's an impressive group, i know met several of them. you had a chance to meet with president-elect ahead of the speech today. i know you can't get into specifics. this is a lot of confidential information. what can you tell us about the meeting and the president-elect's top priorities in combatting this virus? >> well, i think the president-elect and the vice president-elect clearly understand the severity of what we're encountering and how much worse it's going to get before we do get to successful vaccines. i'm very impressed with the comprehensive nature that they're looking at all aspects of how to reduce the number of cases, how to treat those cases that are already in the pipeline or coming into our hospitals and then what we need to do to improve the public health system. i think it's a very

osterholm, we've seen a surge in cases and hospitalizations in this country. possibly happening here again? >> well, first of all, if you interview 50 people, they'll give you 75 different definitions of what a lockdown is. >> good point. >> it's one of the challenges we have and i think there's no question that our hospitals are about to be overrun. we're going to see by far the darkest days of this pandemic between now and next spring when vaccine becomes available. on labor day, we are at 32,000 cases a day in this country. now we're running in the 120,000 to 130,000 cases a day. do not be at all surprised when we hit 200,000 cases a day. our hospitals are already overrun. >> why is that happening that the cases are jumping so quickly and such great number? what are we doing wrong? >> well you know, gayle, we have a perfect storm coming together. we have pandemic fatigue. people who were distancing themselves from others for months have just decided i kind of am done with it, even though the vir us isn't done with them. a group i call pandemic anger, up to

osterholm and dr. e emmanuel and the rest is to go towards more severe lockdowns.ld have to resist them pretty much the way donald trump resisted similar advice from dr. anthony fauci, although we think we may be looking back fondly at anthony fauci by the time the biden people are done. keep in mind as well, joe biden won't be in charge of the coronavirus until late january or early february. so if homan is suggesting the surge peaks and comes down by then, there may not be as much pressure in late january for a lockdown. the problem is going to come over the next several months and the question is whether democratic politicians or politicians in general in the absence of any other strategy that they can come up with themselves will opt for more lockdowns. paul: so what do you think, how will biden differ from trump? >> he's not going to at all. the runway is laid out for him, get the vaccine out there, get more testing, especially instant testing that people can do at home so they can take themselves out of circulation if they've got it. these things are -- the p

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osterholm, who is going to be on joe biden's task force, president-elect's task force. he said maybe a six week lockdown nationally would be a good idea. what do you think? >> it scares me to death but i think it's consistent with our philosophy. in the free society, individuals make their decisions based on risk and they have their choice on how they choose to whether they drive a car, go to a restaurant, whether they wear a mask. these are individual decisions but in authoritarianism, the central authority tells you what to do and when to do it, so these are the same people who also believe in socialism and command-and-control economy where the government dictates all of the economic behaviors, so it's not much of a stretch to believe they would also dictate your personal behavior as well. >> martha: all right, senator rand paul, thank you very much. good to have you here tonight sir. so still had tonight, kayleigh mcenany on president 's pursuit of legal action in multiple states. where does the white house stand on that process tonight? and general jack keane on the

osterholm, you've taken on a big job. we wish you all so much luck. much appreciated. >> thank you. >>> in new york city, meantime, mayor bill de blasio just announced he'd reopen public elementary schools december 7th after closing schools nearly two weeks ago. let's go to nbc's ron allen who is outside a new york city school. ron, we have seen some of this in other places around the country but this is the country's largest school system. why the change, and what are you hearing from parents this morning? >> well, the change because it's been determined that schools are relatively safe area when the decision was made to close the schools based on a certain percentage of infection, 3%, that was some time ago. but now we see that in the schools, the percentage of infection rate is very low. it's below 1%. and that's the bottom line. the other thing that's making it possible say lot of testing. there's going to be a -- 20% of the students and faculty and staff in a school get tests each week. so a lot of testing. low positive et rates. there's a feelin

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michael osterholm says they need to do better convincing people that the vaccine is safe and preparing people for potential side effects from the vaccine nap is nothing to be said of the effort needed to distribute millions of vaccine doses considering how little time there is to spare. new cases of covid-19 are surging to levels not yet seen. more than 600,000 americans contracted the virus over the holiday weekend alone. nearly 5,000 died dr. anthony fauci warn that's holiday travel is going to make things worse. >> as we go for the next few weeks into december that we might see a surge on that super surge we're already in. when i give that message i don't want to frighten people if is not too late at all for us to do something about this. as we travel back to be careful, when we go back to where we are, to continue to do the things that we have been talking about -- >> despite warnings from the cdc, they estimate that 1.1 they are now telling travelers to assume they were infected and to act accordingly until they're tested. joining me now from california is jay cobb sober off. expl

michael osterholm. center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. first on "cbs this morning," esshe is announcing a fund to help families of front line health care workers that lost their lives to covid-19. i will get to that in a second. thanks for being with us. you said this is the most dangerous time since 1918, pandemic of 1918. where is this trend line taking us and what do we have to do immediately to get this under control? >> well, first of all, great news is what we heard today from moderna, the fact we have a vaccine that not only prevented illness but evidence of severe illness. we have to imagine going to a day in the months ahead where this will be behind us. right now, we are in the most dangerous period as you noted. you know what the numbers are now, what we call exponential growth, case numbers are doubling every few days. and i think between now and well past the holidays, we're going to see a major increase in cases in this country, many parts of t

>> he certainly has people who would like them to go that route, including michael osterholm.erholm in that clip, which i viewed before i came on with you, talks about what a wonderful job europe has done, which looked pretty good and how we should follow europe in a lockdown, really hard. that was really good in august,d right now with france reporting yesterday the equivalent of 425,000 positive tests, via population. in other words, the french and european numbers have been much worse than the u.s. numbers recently. here's the broader point, tuck tucker. for lockdowns and coronavirus have been inherently political from the beginning. i think there's a very good case to be made that president trump would be coasting into a second term, or would have won a second term, anyway, if you had -- if he hadn't had the coronavirus and had it been punished for it by the media. so as biden takes office, and wi think we all expect he is going to take office in ten weeks. republicans are going to have to really raise their voices i think, if we don't had for a national lockdown, if we're

osterholm, it's willie, good to see you this morning. you put in terms for our viewers the cost of each day passing without a transition from the biden and the trump administration on the coronavirus. what about specifically for your area and for your team? >> well, i can't comment specifically on what the members of the transition team are doing right now in terms of trying to have conversations across the federal government. i can just say for individuals like us we're not having information. i think we have to understand we need current information on the number of cases. i think that the white house task force report issued yesterday or at least was made public yesterday is right on the mark. we are in a crisis stage. we have to be discussing what can we do, what do we do. it's not enough to help the americans to understand you don't want to swap air, but how do you incentivize them and help them this is what they want to do. we need fdr moments right now. this is how bad it is, we're going to see hospitals collapsing in next two to

michael osterholm, our thanks as always for joining us tonight. greatly appreciate it. good luck with your work upcoming. >>> and coming up for us where political developments were concerned how big was -- d how b- >>> this is a very serious cabinet. that is a message that president-elect biden is sending with this message. he's basically telling the rest of the world we are back, this is our a-team, these are hands you all know, people who have led before in really crucial times on a global scale. and we are taking our role back as leader of the free world and the greatest democracy on the face of the earth. >> so let's talk about all of it. back with us again to do that tonight james carville who rose to fame with the clinton campaign. co host of the 2020 politics war room podcast. and mike murphy, veteran republican strategist, strategic advisor in fact to republican voters against trump. gentlemen, welcome to you both. so much to discuss. james, i have two things for you. first of all, here is laura engram who sure appeared to be talking to one viewer in particular

michael osterholm said our health care system is literally breaking. what are you seeing? >> -- >> i'm afraid we do not have jodi's audio yet. we'll go back to her in just a moment. do we have jodi's audio? >> i'm here. i apologize. >> we're going to go back to her. jodi? >> hi. >> here we go. we can hear you now. tell us, what is the system like where you are? >> it's very -- it's incredibly exhausting. there's a feeling of defeat that we certainly feel. the numbers continue to rise every day, and our team is exhausted. i can't reiterate that enough. our team is -- you walk into the unit and there's a sense of just exhaustion, defeat. a tired feeling. we've been going at this since march 11th now, and our team is truly exhausted. you can replicate, you know, machines and ppe and such, but you can't replicate physicians and nurses. and we're tired. we need the community's help. >> compare this to what you're experiencing now to -- actually, let me go back. when you say you need the community's help, what does that mean? what does that look like? >> we want the community to

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. >>> we're joined by michael osterholm, he is a member of president-elect biden's covid-19 advisory board. michael, always good to have you on. >> thank you, it's good to be with you. >> so you have advocated for the need for a national lockdown, perhaps as long as four to six weeks. the biden team has said that's not on the table. i wonder in your discussions have they told you explicitly that that is a nonstarter? >> well, first of all, as i've clarified on multiple occasions over the past several weeks i did not recommend that to the biden group. i wrote an op-ed piece in the "new york times" back in august indicating that if we were going to try too really knock this down we were going to have to have a national approach for which we also had to have financial support, we needed to be able to take care of the small businesses, the individuals who are not allowed to work anymore in order to make this work. that's not even on the table right now. so what we're seeing s in fact, all 50 kborchers a egovernors a coming up with their own approach and at this point i don't see a nation

. >> one of the people on the biden team is michael osterholm. i want to play this for you.omments he made about the upcoming thanksgiving holiday. >> i personally have been involved with tragic situations where young, healthy adults came home to see mom and dad, grandpa and grandmother, where they brought the grandkids with them, and two to three weeks later one of the older members of the family are desperately ill or die. the greatest love you may show your family is not having an outbreak occur in your home on thanksgiving day. >> doctor, as a practical matter, this is going to be a tough one because the news media will sound like scolds. we all know what kids like to do, and that's come home, mostly because they want to see their friends over the break. this is going to be tough to enforce. also most families will go into this thinking, we're safe. we have this figured out. it's not going to happen to us. >> yeah. so, brian, let me be your surrogate scold for a minute because this is really -- it literally, you know, it's a cliche. this is a matter actually of life and

osterholm was sort of floating was these shutdowns with financial renumeration to make sure that youelp take care of these businesses and things like that. it's very, very aggressive. i think when i was talking to chris murray last night, i think the thing that really struck me was this idea that it's totally our decision, right? we have the decision. we'll just decide to do it or not do it. the virus is really ultimately going to decide. and i think as celine has said, and by the way, i'm delighted celine is on the task force, i feel better just sort of listening to her, because it's been dark, celine, i'll tell you. but the idea that ultimately the virus will force the decision in some of these places, i think, is true. i don't like to be the one to say that, either. nobody likes to be the one to give bad news, but it may have to happen in certain places. if i can, though, when they talk about the middle ground, it's not just closed or open. there is middle ground. there was in great paper that came out in nature last week. i want to show this really quickly, that basically said th

from your view is that all that's necessary right now or do you agree with like a michael osterholm who believes a national lockdown is necessary? >> i definitely agree with symone that nothing has changed since you and i began talking in march. we still know how to protect ourselves against the virus, it's not an expensive solution, it may be an inconvenient solution to wear masks but people have lots of different ways to cover their mouth and face so they can be comfortable in whatever job they're doing. we really just need to focus, again, on being innovative on how we do things now that it's getting cold and we're sort of being pushed indoors. >> okay. so for people we're two weeks away from thanksgiving for folks who are making plans right now, what should those plans be or should they exercise an abundance of caution, not travel, stay at home, keep their groups small? >> so it's basically a risk assessment of your situation, right? so if you're going to be with anybody that you don't know their habits outside of their -- during their living, then i think you need to question wheth

michael osterholm says the u.s.d go into a total national lock down for up to six weeks to control the covid-19 pandemic while a vaccine ramps up. he says it would revive the economy and the u.s. taxpayers can pay for everyone as wages during it including government workers. we know the white house covid task force saying hospitalizations are up. this is really dangerous, lethal virus but do you think this is the right move at this time? >> first of all, liz, thank you for having me back. yes, look, numbers will get worse. we're seeing the number of cases go up, setting records. number of hospitalizations go up. fortunately we have new treatments, vaccines about to be approved. pfizer is first. probably moderna and others soon thereafter. this is absolutely the wrong move at the wrong time. you have to wonder what advice is vice president biding getting? first one advisor, dr. emanuel america should give vaccines to other countries before america gets a vaccine. he contradicted government experts say we shouldn't ac

. >>> coming up, we speak to michael osterholm on plans to respond to the pandemic.om former georgia gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams. in our school matters segment, we'll hear from a student who's trying to make online learning easier for students around the world. i'm anne-marie green. have a great day. nne-marie green. have a great day.

we will begin with yesterday's meet the press and michael osterholm, who served on president-elect joe biden's task force at this to say about the coming week. >> let me ask you this. we are seeing the accidental rise that you sadly predicted would happen in covid cases. we going to plateau anytime soon or is this trajectory going to keep going up and up? >> thank you again and let me just say the outset that our future is in our hands. right now for at least the next three weeks, cases are in the pipeline, of these numbers are going to go way up. our job is to imagine what the world could be like if we do make the changes we need to make. we will be heading towards a vaccine in the next few months where we could start to imagine having summer baseball back. barbecues, etc.. in the meantime we are in the most dangerous public health period since 1918. , we aren't take steps going to see these numbers grow substantially. we are asking all of you what it's like where you live. what kind of mandates are in place. would you like to see more restrictions? john in houston, texas. go ahead. c

michael osterholm, a member of president-elect biden's covid-19 task force, is recommending a nationwide could lock down for four to six weeks, and if we did that, we could drive the numbers down, like they've done in asia, like they did in new zealand and australia. >> reporter: some people are just not getting the message, or they're ignoring it. today, what is being described as the nation's largest indoor water park opened in austin, texas. meanwhile, the first cruise ship to sail in the caribbean since the citywide positivity rate hit 2.6% today, closing in on the 3% threshold that would trigger a move to remote learning in all public schools. massiel lugo says all-remote would be devastating for her three-year-old son, ozzie, who is autistic. >> he cannot sit for more than ten minutes at a time. after that, he is just frustrated. he's crying. it's been really difficult. >> reporter: in new york city, mobile testing sites are set up. staten island has the highest positive test rates in the city with multiple neighborhoods approaching 5%. why are we seeing the surge now? >> so, if yo

. >> reporter: since making that statement osterholm clarified it wasn't something he was recommendingile health officials warn working with the upcoming administration aren't willing to say if the nation should be in a lock down the possibility is definitely on the minds of the public. >> oh, i think that's all i've been thinking about lately. coming to costco hoping to find a few things. >> reporter: sfeefb says he's worried about the rise in cases. >> the unifying thing is the virus. you'll never have control of the economy and never have control of safety. >> reporter: a biden transition official telling nbc news that a lock down is not part of the president-elect's plan. one economist says if a lockdown did happen it would be risky. >> the risk is that you nounce a lock down, people try to surcomvent it, the infections grow and it ultimately damaged -- does harm to the economy as well. >> reporter: and then there's the question of whether the lockdowns actually stop the spread of the virus. that's something stanford medicine dr. jason wang has been studying. >> is it now we have a

michael osterholm, an adviser to president-elect biden, floated the idea of shutting down businesses for four to six weeks and paying americans to stay home. dr. fauci says the move isn't necessary. he says people just need to wear masks. >> there is no appetite for locking down in the american public but i believe we can do it without a lockdown. i really do. help is really on the way. vaccines are going to have a major positive impact. >> he says vaccines will likely start to be distributed in december and become widely available to the public by next summer. when challenged to getting the pfizer vaccine it has to be stored at 94 degrees below zero fahrenheit to remain effective. that is the same as a very cold day in the south pole. reporter anna stewart looks at how distributors plan to make it work. >> reporter: millions of doses have already been made, ready to go should the pfizer candidate get regulatory approval. this one uses messenger rna. a new technology which poses a major challenge for storage and transportation of the vaccine. >> we have to keep the product very cold

during an interview this week doctor michael osterholm said we could lock down for 4 to 6 weeks and if we did that we could drive the numbers down like they've done in asia like they did in new zealand and australia. >>i think one size fits all will not work at at this time. >>doctor robert wachter chairs you see san francisco's department of medicine. >>there are clearly areas it mostly in the midwest that need to have something that's pretty close to a full on lockdown but when you look at the bay area for example, we're definitely going in the wrong direction. but we're nowhere near the kinds of numbers of hospitalizations or test positivity rate that would merit closing everything the back down to where we were in march. so it's got to be regionally determined. >>if there was to be a lockdown business leaders say the federal government must provide wages for out of work employees and provide greater support for small business owners than just a ppp loan. >>rent that's still going to be do want to start still going to be do inventory. overhead that's still going. accumulate a cost a

as osterholm talking about potential lockdown doing the trick. you see it on both sides of the market, neil. anything that benefits from a lock down which did so well for months like the at-home and and software stocks, you see the nasdaq starting to act better. the things benefit from getting rid of the stupid virus are pulling back afterp monday's gargantuan gap to the upside. leave no doubt that is part of the equation. part of the equation is the talk of shutting some things down earlier. that affected businesses. so yeah, i think you got a little one-two punch here for the second. neil: you know, nancy, the good news is the vaccines that are out there, they're beginning to line up kind of like planes at laguardia, besides the excitement around pfizer and biontech and its drug, dr. fauci hopeful any sort of vaccine will indicate hope is on the way, but you got moderna, russia with the so-called sputnik v drug it claims have a 90% drug efficacy rate. i don't know if that is the case. a lot of hope out there juxtaposed against the lockdowns or

a member of president—electjoe biden's coronavirus advisory board — dr michael osterholm — said thereal in the state of idaho had to turn away patients at the weekend because there was no room. the infectious diseases expert, dr anthony fauci, said that although people were tired of social distancing measures, they needed to persevere until a vaccine was available. the companies behind an experimental coronavirus vaccine say they'll apply for emergency approval to use it before the end of this month. if approved, one of the challenges that follows will be, how to get the drug to those who need it. here's our global health correspondent tulip mazumdar as the scientists offer a glimmer of hope, the grave—diggers continue their grim task. all around the world, loved ones are laid to rest. so, with the news this week of a potentially very effective vaccine, countries are racing to prepare for a possible roll—out. this is an absolutely unprecedented situation we find ourselves in today with over 200 vaccine candidates, 40 of them in clinical development within ten months of a new virus bei

michael osterholm, newly named to president-elect biden's coronavirus advisory board. how bad did it get for you? >> it felt like a bad flu. >> reporter: dr. julio novoa is an el paso o.b./g.y.n. who got the virus and passed it to his wife. >> it's something scary. it's your life. it could be life or death. >> reporter: in the chicago area hours-long waits for testing. more than 100,000 in illinois tested on monday alone. 15 states have seen coronavirus hospitalizations double in the last month, including new mexico, where hospitalizations tripled in a month as des moines hospitals are at capacity, even the children's hospital. a stark warning in oklahoma: >> if our current rate of infection is not curbed, we will run out of beds and of staff. >> reporter: and dire predictions in minnesota. >> the fear is, once you lose control, this line would go off the top of the television screen here. >> reporter: in idaho, one of the state's largest hospital had to temporarily send patients away the last two weekends, no room. amid covid fatigue, some scenes of defiance, includin

michael osterholm, a member of president-elect biden's covid-19 task force, is recommending a nationwidekdown. >> we could lock down for four to six weeks, and if we did that, we could drive the numbers down, like they've done in asia, like they did in new zealand and australia. >> reporter: some people are just not getting the message, or they're ignoring it. today, what is being described as the nation's largest indoor water park opened in austin, texas. meanwhile, the first cruise ship to sail in the caribbean since march is now docked in barbados because a passenger tested positive for covid-19. other passengers must remain in their cabins. here's the dean of brown university's school of public health, dr. ashish jha. >> what i'm trying to say to folks is, got to hold on for a few more months. vaccines are coming. this is not the time to be having house parties. >> reporter: the reality is, it may be too late to act. david begnaud, cbs news, chicago. >> reporter: i'm meg oliver in new york city, where a second wave of coronavirus is on the brink of crashing down. the citywide positiv

michael osterholm. he has been named as a member of president-elect biden's coronavirus advisory board. good to have you with us this morning. you are on the advisory board named early yesterday morning. what kind of work are you all doing right now and what can be done in the time between now and inauguration day which feels like an awful long time. what can you do to help tamp down this problem? >> well, first of all, it's very early obviously in this activity, so it's hard for me to say that what we're going to do. we're still working to determine that. but i'm optimistic that the topic areas whether it be vaccines, whether it be what we can do to limit transmission today, by encouraging better public health coordination, all those things are on the table. and we're obviously going to be learning a lot more over the next several days as we move forward with the agenda for the task force. >> dr. osterholm, what's your reaction to the news out of pfizer in this trial anyway, 90% effective. how much pro

osterholm. do you think these are the people that will be able to usher us through the rest of this pan determine snick. >> yes, it is a great question. if you think about what do you want to see in terms of experts. you want people with the right training. that spent their lives studying and working on these issues. that is what you have for this pandemic advisory board. i am pleased to see who president elect biden has put together and i believe if they can get their ideas implemented it will make an enormous difference in terms of getting the pandemic under control. >> thank you so much for joining us. i know we're coming back to you often on this. and the math says it is over -- the math? the numbers. the president is saying the math, the numbers, the way they add up is a lie. we're going to look at the impact and what it means for biden's ability to governor. and facing what will like i will be a divided congress with a daunting to-do list. will president elect biden be able to make the cha