michael osterholm at the university of minnesota and medical advisor.at mean own one of the variants we know could be somewhat resistant to the vaccines? >> up until now that particular strain you're talking about b 117 or the u.k. strain has only had the ability and i say only because it can cause more infection and more severe disease. for the first time british officials found it acquired the mutation that we've been talking about with the south african strain to avoid the immune protection we get from vaccines from natural disease. obviously, this is not a good development as this b 117 has shown how well it is able to be transmitted around the world. >> so sanjay, i find this a little confusing because fauci said it's not great news but a booster shot could be developed for each of these variants because they're kind of in the same family of the virus. is that still the case, or is this just saying that there is basically more and more variants, the number of very ya -- veariants is growing? >> some of the variants like the one in the u.k. are acqu

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osterholm is not completely outlandish, but we think we can accomplish the goal without doing that. david: just to finish this out, dr. osterholm says he thinks that -- he's concerned about another wave coming because of these variants in the next six to 14 weeks. he has an urgent time frame. what would it take for you to move to this, let's call an audible? the science tells us two doses of the pfizer and moderna, but let's move to a different approach, what would it take for you to move to that position? dr. fauci: again, if it was very clear that we really did not have enough vaccine to accomplish what i just explained a few moments ago if there was a situation where the predictable availability was not where we want it to be and we say, well, we're in trouble here, we've just got to get as many people with the first dose vaccinated as we possibly can. but as you heard from president biden a day or so ago, what we're doing right now is trying to get a three-week lead time so that the locals can actually know what to expect and they can do their planning accordingly. david: you've

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osterholm is. the variants are here. they are circulating and they are going to cause a large spike of cases. that's the experience from the uk, from ireland, denmark, everywhere that variant has tan off. the one thing i can say is there is a lot we can do to prevent things from getting much worse. we got to act. the single-most important thing we got to do is get people vaccinated. >> one of the things that professor osterholm, you were one of the first to propose this which is to say, get as many people one dose of the vaccine as possible, even if it mean delaysing the second dose. what would that do? why is that in your mind even more important now? >> yeah. so, about a month ago, i proposed this. and we got a lot of pushback because at clinical trials, they looked at two doses in a short period of time. i believe everybody needs two doses. the window offers 80-to-90% protection against this virus and, therefore, my proposal and our proposal has been get one dose into people over 65. get them all vaccinated over the n

osterholm there. we've got a lot of epidemiologists arguing that they need to call an audible of vaccine distribution. how ready is this biden team to do something like that? >> well, they're still trying to get their hands around the magnitude of the crisis they inherited, but in talking to them, their view is that they need to follow, as dr. osterholm said, actually, what their scientists are recommending, which is the two-dose vaccine regimen for pfizer and moderna that recommend that, but they also believe sort of that they can do both simultaneously. they are no longer holding back vaccines beyond two to three days sort of surplus. the stockpile as we originally conceived of it does not exist, because they believe they can increase distribution and production to the point where they can send out all of those vaccines and still have enough for people to get their second doses. so they've already increased it by, you know, 16%. that said, these are big promises, and we're going to have to see if th

that rapid replication and the dangers that you just discussed, one of your colleagues, michael osterholm is a top epidemiologist, who is part of president biden team on the pandemic, needs to call an audible as we say in football, with its vaccination program and start giving single doses to as many people as possible to get ahead of the like high surge and to to precisely what you were describing is reduce the playing field. is he right? and if not, why not? >> well, it isn't a question of right or wrong. what michael is saying is that we need to vaccinate as many people as possible with the doses that we have. the science tells us, the clinical trials, the 30,000 people in the moderna trial and the 44,000 people in the trial by pfizer, that the optimum approach to get a really good response is 21 days after the first dose for pfizer and 28 days after the first dose with moderna, you should give a boost. we know that. what michael was saying is that as you have limited amount of vaccine just get as many people as possible with the first dose and don't worry about the second dose. the di

let's bring in michael osterholm, infectious disease expert and director for the research and policy at the university of minnesota. so many questions for you. let's just start there on j&j. assuming it gets the green light from the fda, how much does it change the game? >> well, it surely adds to the vaccine availability, but unfortunately, and the amount that's going to be provided in the next few weeks, it is just a start. we clearly need much, much more vaccine than we have right now, particularly as we're going into this possible surge with the b.1.1.7. or uk variant which could cause a surge of cases in the next 4 to 12 weeks. it's a good thing. we welcome it. but at the same time, it's not a game changer in that suddenly we go from we've got a problem to we've got a solution that's going to take care of everything. >> professor osterholm, the direction of new infections, new hospitalizations and new deaths has been down. we can put these numbers up on the screen. somewhat encouraging. that's a steep fall. it is flattening out a bit at the bottom on the right-hand side of the s

jha, let me just begin where michael osterholm left off which is the worst is coming.the development of variants including of a number of possibly seven variants already developing in the united states. sourcing in the united states. new variants. >> good evening, lawrence. thanks for having me on. dr. osterholm has been reliably right and i disagree with him with some trepidation, but i'm a little bit more optimistic than he is. i'm worried about the variants. let me be very clear. i'm very worried. there are a couple differences between us and the uk and ireland and other places were when they were hit. first, we are vaccinating and we're vaccinating relatively quickly. second, we know that this is coming and we can take proper steps, so i'm hoping we can stave off the worst, but that's not going to happen naturally. we are going to have to be vigilant about the variants. not to downplay them at all. >> we heard vice president harris at the beginning of this segment say they came into a situation where there absolutely was no plan whatsoever. states and localities fe

osterholm is right, here is how do think about it.d the optimism and the kind of outlook for the future is very bright once we get into may and june. the issue is the time between now and then. this uk variant that is starting to circulate and growing every day could very well really flatten hospitals, cause all of the things that dr. osterholm is saying. so we need a short-term strategy. one more big bend in the curve -- if we can deal with that, i think things are going to get much, much better, but the next couple months may end up being pretty tough. >> dr. ranney, there was an interesting study about who is spreading the virus the most. it turns out that three quarters of the spread comes from those between ages 20 and 49. but does that make you rethink how we are prioritizing the vaccine? >> you know, abby, that doesn't make me rethink it. anyone in medicine or public health should not have been surprised by that study. that's what we're seeing from contact tracing, that's what we're seeing from testing results. older folks are

joining us now, michael osterholm.enter for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. professor, always a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. >> the cdc director says that teachers don't need to be vaccinated in order for schools to reopen safely. what do you think about that? >> well, actually what dr. walensky is saying is actually correct. remember all the measures we're bringing together to protect students and teachers have to be in effect. it's like your car, it's not just the seat belt that saves you, it's the air bags and collapsible frames. it's all the things we have. vaccinating teachers is a good thing. but we have evidence that you can, particularly for younger kids, open schools and do it quite safely without having the teachers vaccinated. let's get them vaccinated, but that shouldn't be a condition upon which schools open or not. >> can't we do these simultaneously? can't we open public schools across the country and work to have teachers be in the next crop of people who

sanjay, let's start with michael osterholm's proposal to delay second doses, give second doses to aspeople as possible so more people get a first dose. cdc has said they're not going to do that. what do you think? >> well, you know, i think that the data sort of speaks for itself here a little bit. although there's a couple of caveats. let me show you what i mean here. the reality is that there does some to be some protection from the first dose. moderna specifically, one dose versus two doses. with the first dose, you get about 80% or so protection. with the two doses, as we know, it goes to 94.5% protection. now, we don't have as much data around that first dose because it was only a few weeks they followed people in between the first and second doses. how long does that protection last? we doesn't know. cdc has come out and said you can wait up to 42 days, six weeks, before you get the second dose as it is. there may be some merit to it. from pfizer, jake, we talked about this when they got their emergency use authorization. you see two lines on this graph. the blue line is placeb

i talked to michael osterholm quite a bit about this. i think the idea that we're going to have these more transmissible variants is clear. we've been following data out of various states, seeing how larger percentage these variants are becoming in some of these states. it's increasing significantly. i think the big question really is, and we've talked about this almost since the beginning is which metrics are you going to continue to follow? i think if cases go up, that's a big concern. but we've always said that, you know, a few weeks after that, hospitalizations go up. a few weeks after that, sadly, deaths go up. what we may see is that we are not seeing those increases as much now in hospitalizations and deaths, which i think were the most important measures here. is the virus going to continue to circulate? yes. because people, particularly vulnerable people are becoming increasingly vaccinated, i think it's those second to metrics, hospitalizations and deaths which hopefully don't increase as quickly and as much. >> the good news a

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>> and i talked to professor osterholm all of the time about this. this is i more -- these variants are more transmissible and contagious. if we have a certain amount of contagiousness right now, it will go up. because what would have otherwise been an encounter that you could have gotten away with, you won't be able to get away with that because of the more transmissible variants out there. and the big question and the important one is will we see the lagging indicators like we've been talking about all year. so cases go up but does that mean that hospitalizations will also go up a few weeks later and that deaths will go up a few weeks after that. and if they do, will it be the same proportion that we've seen in the past. and what i would say with regard to that, after talking to lots of people, is that i'm optimistic that they won't go up as much if -- or as quickly as they did in the past because we have so much more immunity out there in the public. everyone talks about herd immunity. that is very true. but i think what is important is if you loo

osterholm is doing it, can we do it this weekend?hat's why i'm just channeling every man, john, as i so often do. >> you are just like everybody. >> sanjay, there is some new information. and one of the things we should note is nobody is talking about vaccinating school-aged children until months and months and months from now. so there will be a population not vaccinated for a long time even under a best case scenario. we are learn something new things, some clusters in georgia, sanjay. what are you seeing? >> yeah, so first of all, that's the sort of -- this follows the conversation we're just having about vaccinations. but let me talk about these clusters in georgia first. this was from december 1st to january 22nd. they basically followed these schools. i think some 700 staff members and about 2,600 students. and they found nine clusters. eight of them probably involved an educator to student. so these were adults then transmitting the virus to kids. it's not to say that people necessarily became ill, but they did find these clus

michael osterholm is joining using. professor, thanks so much for joining us.e get your thoughts on this -- >> thank you. >> -- plan out there at least to start shipping masks to every american. do you think sendi ing masks directly to american households will make people more likely to actually wear them? >> i think it very well could. it does two things. one, it makes it available where someone who might not know where to go get one now has one. the second thing is now that you have it in your hand and find that it's not some kind of awkward instrument to have to wear, you very well may wear it. so right now, i think anything we can do like that to decrease the potential for transmission is a good thing. >> new cases and hospitalizations, as you just heard in lucy's report, are declining, but if this new highly contagious viral variant is also more deadly, do you worry it's only a matter of time before we, got fd forbid, see another big surge? >> it's inevitable from where i sit right now. we're going to continue to see these ups and downs. don't forget that

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michael osterholm. thank you. mike memoli, this is the president putting the issue of the coronavirus -- apologize. i think we lost mike. he will be joining the call at the top of the hour. let's switch gears and talk about foreign policy. president biden asserted his foreign policy agenda on the world stage highlighting this moment in history as a voice between democracy sand autocracy. >> we are sat an inflection point. between those who argue that given all of the challenges we face from the fourth industrial revolution to the global pandemic, the autocracy is the best way forward, they argue. and those who understand that democracy is essential, essential to meeting these challenges. >> all right. joining me is state department spokesperson ned price. thank you for your patience throughout all of this. we had a lot ground to cover. let's pick up with what weigh heard from the president. the u.s. planning to advance liberal and democratic principles. as you probably heard earlier in the program we were talking

very quickly, we have professor michael osterholm on a short while ago. he's a proponent of, for now, because he's concerned about the possible rise of variants, he's a proponent of giving just one dose of the pfizer and moderna vaccine, holding back on giving the second dose so more people can get one dose. dr. fauci and others have been asked about this directly, and they have an answer to why they don't think that is a great idea. sanjay, what is that? >> well, you know, the answer is you basically have data on one dose for three or four weeks because these -- after that, depending on whether it's pfizer or moderna you have a second dose. so science would say, hey, look, it's very reasonable that a single dose would offer you longstanding and strong protection, but we just don't know that for sure. i think the thing they're trying to avoid is, let's say somebody gets a single dose and subsequently does get sick. it may shake confidence overall in the vaccine. in a time when you have vaccine hesitancy already of concern, that could worsen it. so they sa

so joining us is michael osterholm, he's the director of the center for infectious disease research andniversity of minnesota. professor, thanks so much for being here. what are the complications. is this about distribution or is this about administering it? people can't show up? i mean, how complicated are these storms making it? >> well, good morning, alisyn. actually, it's all of the above. or all part of the challenge right now getting vaccine in these areas that are affected by weather. we all are -- our hearts go out to the pain and suffering that they're experiencing. i'm not so concerned about that, though, in the sense that the biggest challenge we had up into the cold weather was not enough vaccine to begin with. this vaccine will get into the system, it will get caught up in the course of the next two weeks. the challenge we have right now is that there's about 22 million americans who have received their first dose, waiting for their second dose, and there's no second doses or such except for the new production of vaccine that's coming out, which is about 2 million doses a d

michael oes osterholme joins us. they are concerned about the variants in new york and california.aising alarm bells for weeks if not months about the growth of other variants that might be immune or resistant to vaccines here the u.s. like the variant they found in south africa. how does it fit together? >> when you think about it, it's been a year now that we've been dealing with this virus in terms of attention. it seems like a life time. it's only been three months since we actually first raised the alarm variants or the mutational changes in viruses may impact how they are transmitted or what disease they cause or how well vaccines are natural immunity from having been infected work. today what we're seeing is a barrage of new variants coming forward and i have to say that while we need to be concerned about what we are he seeing in new york and california or in other places around the world, we can't take our eye off to me what i think is a single most important variant right now in our headlights, this b.1.1.7. or the uk variant rapidly spreading throughout the united states

offit, i want to get your reaction something professor osterholm, an epidemiology and member of the biden earlier today about the cdc guidance in schools. i'm just going to play that for our viewers. >> at this point i think most schools can handle the guidelines relative to the younger kids. but the problem is is that again, as i pointed out, as case numbers rise in our xhuntsd, which is what the cdc has flagged, will be the problem. at this point many of the areas can open up. i don't think they'll be open very long because of what's coming down the pike with cases. >> do you think that's accurate? that as soon as schools reopen they may have to close again because of -- he's talking about the variants that may be coming down the pike. >> right. so what's striking to me is that it's mid february. it's the middle of winter. and this is at its heart, sars co-v-2 is a winter respiratory virus. noms they have a decrease in cases, decrease in hospital saigsz, decrease in deaths. why? why is that happening? i think there's two reasons. one is that look at the natural imm immunity. in other wo

osterholm? do you believe there is something of that kind of scale coming because of the variants?, i think we'll see a lot more cases because you have a lot more, just a much more transmissible variant here. many more people will become infected. the question is going to become, is that going to lead to the corresponding few week later uptick in hospitalizations and the corresponding few week uptick after that in deaths? i don't know that we know that yet. it is certainly clear if it is more transmissible more vulnerable people may get infected. that could lead to a problem. but it is not clear that this is overall that the variants are any more lethal. that's what we're playing with. you got the vaccines out there, a lot of hope around that. we got to get those people vaccinated as quickly as possible. could it lead to the situation where even if people are getting infected maybe they're just developing more mild or moderate disease but not the more severe disease. so that is really going to be the big question. >> good news/bad news. good news is you wear a mask. you are careful

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michael osterholm says the u.s.d rethink how it delivers vaccines, to get needles into arms as quickly as possible. >> we have now compelling data showing that there is no need to provide two doses of vaccine to anyone who has already had covid. >> reporter: but there is good news. lucia declerck was diagnosed with covid last month on her 105th birthday, the same day she received her second dose of the pfizer vaccine. now a survivor of both the spanish flu and covid, she credits a regimen of nine gin-soaked raisins, and faith. >> pray, pray, pray. and don't eat junk food! >> reporter: the f.d.a.'s vaccine panel is scheduled to publicly review j & j's data on friday, which means authorization could come as early as this weekend. if that happens, millions of doses could be headed to states next week. norah? >> o'donnell: a 105-year-old saying gin, but no junk food. nikki battiste, thank you. tonight, the l.a. county sheriff is saying tiger wood's car crash was purely an accident. there was no evidence he was impaired,

michael osterholm says second doses should be delayed to give vaccines to those over 65 in order to reduceurge that's likely to occur with the new surge from england is going to happen in the next 6 to 14 weeks. if we see that happen, we will see something like we have not seen. i see that hurricane category 5 or higher 450 miles off shore. telling people to evacuate in that nice blue sky day is going to be hard, but i can tell you that hurricane is coming. >> all of these variants threatening to undo any progress made although hospitalizations dropping below 100,000 for the first time since december 1st. equal access to the vaccine, that's a real problem. therefore a lot of people showing up to get the vaccine last month at one site. new york presbyterian says it's dedicating 60% of appointments for people in minority communities. >>> the flip side to all of this, of course, is expiration dates and efficiency. moderna's vaccine can only last 30 days and pfizer's only five days once they've been take joan out of the deep freeze. mechanical breakdowns, bad weather and other issues leaving d

top epidemiologist michael osterholm warns a hurricane is coming, with major surges expected in the next six to 14 weeks, and urges rushing the first dose of the vaccine into as many arms as possible. the white hou chief medical adviser, dr. anthony fauci, said the variants should be a wake-up call and also pushed the goal of vaccinating as many people as quickly as possible. >> we need to as quickly and efficiently as you possiblyan. it will always be the best way to prevent the further evolution . when you do that, you prevent replication, and replication is essential for mutation. amy: dr. fauci also said over -- the u.s. is likely to start vaccinating children by late spring or early summer. in other vaccine news, johnson & johnson is seeking emergency use authorization of its covid vaccine after a large clinical trial showed it was 60 6% effective at preventing moderate to severe disease four weeks after vaccination. the vaccine's efficacy appeared to rise over time, with no cases of severe disease. the johnson & johnson vaccine only requires a single dose and does not require ultra

osterholm recently and he said don't count your chickens before they're hatched with these new variants's worried about a new rise. how significant of a concern is that? >> it's always a concern. we could open up too carelessly in a care-free fashion and then we'll have the roller coaster going up again. we'll have more cases. and we certainly don't want that. that's why, keep vaccinating and keep wearing the mask. and then we're all interested in what the cdc has to say, right? if we're completely vaccinated, what sorts of things can we do now that we couldn't before? we're all looking forward to that. >> we certainly are. dr. schaffner, so nice to have you. thanks very much. >>> well, to texas now. warmer weather, the restoration of power finally has brought some relief to texans. but nearly 9 million people there still, jim, do not have clean, reliable water. >> just the basics. it's a failure on a stunning scale. power has largely been restored across the state but boil water advisories, they remain in several areas. many forced to get water through water distribution sites here. an

osterholm said this week that we have some 6 to 14 weeks before the variants take over.s this mean we need a different strategy to prioritize vaccinating more people now rather than let's say making sure they all get the second dose on time? >> well, as you know, that's the approach that's been taken in the uk, we now have a first dose and then whether it's the pfizer/biontech or the oxford/astrazeneca you wait 12 weeks for the second dose because that increases the overall immunity, the number of people who have some immunity. and they've also found that the oxford/astrazeneca virus is more effective if you wait 12 weeks, the booster is more effective than if you give it earlier. for many reasons joint committee on vaccination and immunization and our regulators have agreed a 12-week schedule and that's been adopted here in the uk since the beginning of the vaccine program. we're also then finding that some of the newer vaccines that are emerging are also because they've been created during the time the numbers have been increasing they are effective against the variant

osterholm is here. i know there is some good news in there. hold your horses with that. so, good evening. let's start with the super bowl. celebrations last night. we're almost a year into the pandemic and from full shutdown. when you see crowds like that so close together, so few masks, i mean, what do you think? is going to the super bowl, is that going to spike? >> actually i think the situation in florida surely could add to the number of cases. however, it was outside. again, we know that that reduces transmission. >> right. >> potential. what i worry about is all the super bowl parties that were held in all 50 states in people's homes for which there were many, many, many thousands and thousands of people gathering. those are the ones that resulted in substantial transmission in the past. i suspect in the next two weeks we'll see the fruits of these super bowl parties in terms of transmission. >> so the numbers will go up. that's why what i said, when i said there's some good news, but after these parties, who knows. i hope not. >> yeah,

michael osterholm is in the university of minnesota for infectious disease and policy.said that a surge of the uk variant could happen in the u.s. in the next 6-14 weeks. >> i think right now, in advance of this surge, we need to get as many one doses in as many people over 65 as we can to reduce the serious illness and deaths that are going to occur over the weeks ahead. >> meanwhile, millions americans remain out of work. tomorrow the's the first of the month. rent's due. so, it may be good news that ten senate republicans are proposing a relief package in hopes of a bipartisan solution. it is significantly smaller than president biden's $1.9 trillion proposal. today, they wrote a letter asking to meet with the president, and pitch him their plan. their offer is hesitate than a third of the biden plan. but it includes money for vaccines, health and substance abuse services, unemployment aide and assistant for schools. the head of the national economic council brian deisk gave his reactions this morning on "meet the press". >> the president has said repeatedly that he

. >> we heard a very troubling comment this morning from vaccine expert michael osterholm. let's listen. >> the fact is that the surge that is likely to occur with this new variant from england is going to happen in the next 6 to 14 weeks. and if we see that happen, which my 45 years in the trenches tells us we will, we're going to see something like we've not seen yet in this country. >> he says we should be trying to get first shots into as many people as possible right now and not worry so much about second shots. do you agree? >> so michael and i both served on the advisory board together, and this is something we debated extensively as a group over the last couple of months. do you give just a first dose, do you hold off on the second dose especially in lith of the emergesance of these variants? and as a group at least we had agreed based on the science that is currently available it is simply not possible to recommend a big delay in the giving the second dose. we don't know how robust and long-lived immunity from vaccination with the moderna and pfizer vaccines would

in the last week we've heard anthony fauci talk about wearing two masks but then michael osterholm, ang the double masking can do more harm. so which is it? but if you're coming to watch any game with me, whether it's college basketball or the super bowl, you better not talk at all. i don't want to hear a peep out of you. i am all about the game. there's no cheering. take it outside if you can't pipe down. >> all right. i don't know if we can get the others. governor, this is your first time on the couch. who's your pick for the super bowl? >> i don't have a team that i have selected. i will tell you about the fans. they're more fun to watch because they're so excited and they're so enthusiastic about their team. cdc has told us how to do thanksgiving, how to do christmas and now how to do the super bowl. good luck with that. >> steve, your thoughts? >> i'm just about learning to call football football and not soccer, so i don't know if i should comment on this story. it just reminds me, i think it was over in japan where they brought back outdoor sports in stadiums. they had all the p

calls now for the administration to prioritize getting more first doses to people including michael osterholmt at university of minnesota and former medical adviser to president biden's transition team. >> you and i are sitting on this beach where it is 70 degrees, perfectly blue skies, gentle breeze. but i see that hurricane category 5 or higher 450 miles offshore. telling people to evacuate in that nice, blue sky day, is going to be hard but i can also tell you that hurricane is coming. >> today the biden administration indicated it would stick to the two dose schedule. want to get perspective from our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta, dr. leana wen, cnn analyst. there is obviously hope when the vaccine started rolling out. now with all the variants the hope is certainly if not fading certainly more cloudy. should it be? experts say it could be a long time before we get back to a real sense of normalcy. >> i think this has added a lot of urgency to an already very urgent situation. bad news first. people who have been infected by this coronavirus and have their own antibodies, t

michael osterholm, he and his colleagues are calling for delaying a second vaccine dose for pfizer and moderna that require the second doses in order to get more people to have at least some coverage and protection now. i wonder, given now the addition of j&j's option, is that something you support? get it out as much as possible, some immunity, and worry about the second doses later? >> i think there's more and more emerging data as the days pass on that lengthening the duration doesn't appear to impact out.com. so it looks like there's a great deal of protection that people receive from the first dose, as high as 70%, i believe, for pfizer, and that that protection is boosted by the second dose. in situations where there's a reduced supply like we have right now, at least in england, this is a real world case study, showing that delays actually -- and prioritizing, vaccinating people with the first dose appears to be working. >> so good to have you. thank you for what you and your sister and fellow dr. wrote in "the washington post." it's really important. thanks for coming on the sh

i like your philosophy on this, but as you know, it's at odds with folks like michael osterholm who thinkrm and that we are experiencing sort of an article official lull and the dark storm clouds are on the horizon with the variants. let me play what he told us on february 4th. >> these variants are going to blow right by us. i think right now the b 117 or the uk variant surely could cause a major surge in cases over the next 12 to 14 months. the bottom line is it will take much more than vaccine to keep this variant at bay and not to have potentially a major surge in just the weeks ahead. >> he has predicted the next 14 weeks could be the worst of the entire pandemic. >> that would surprise me. we're getting more vaccine out there. the weather will get warmer. as far as the variants are concerned the b 117 variant otherwise known as the uk variant is not going to resist the immunity induced by natural infection or the immunity induced by the vaccine. that variant is close enough to the virus originally circulating in this country i don't think that's going to be a problem from the critic

new cases are significantly lower, but former biden transition advisor michael osterholm said this week that the u.k. variant is very likely to cause a devastating spike in the next five to 14 weeks. he's also compared it to a category 5 hurricane. should americans be ready for a new surge in cases in the next couple of months, dr. fauci? >> well, i think you always want to be prepared for that type of thing. i don't think at all that it is inevitable that that will happen. the way you mitigate against that, dana, is you do two things. you continue to abide by the public health measures and recommendations of universal wea wearing of masks, keeping physical distance, avoiding gatherings indoors and washing hands. that's a way to prevent any infection, variant or not. the other thing that's important, the vaccines we are currently distributing now, the moderna and pfizer vaccines work very well against the u.k. variant, the 117. so the better we do at getting vaccine into people's arms as quickly and as ex pefast as pos, that will be a tool against preventing this additional spike we wan

osterholm, dr. fauci, all the main institute that were giving advice to the nation, we had people come from the world health organization who dealt with china who came to albany, literally to advise us. we're blessed to have dr. howard zucker as our health commissioner. he's trained at harvard, upenn, johns hopkins and served at hhs, w.h.o., nih and teaches at columbia and yale university. the if we had to pay him what he was worth, we couldn't afford it, and he gave his best advice on the information that he had at the time. the i would trust dr. zucker with my mother's care. that's why i trust him with your mother's care. i wouldn't have anyone as the health commissioner who i wouldn't trust with my mother, and that's why i trust him with your mother. to be clear. all the deaths in the nursing homes and in the hospitals were always fully, publicly and accurately reported. the numbers were the numbers always. people did request information beyond the place of death, not just where they -- how many

. >> the reason that i am still anxious about it is because when we talk to michael osterholm, he's thend he has warned us that we're sort of in the calm before the storm. so while the graphic that we showed of cases coming down is so impressive and comforting to look at, he thinks that with the variants, we're going to see it tick up again pretty steeply. do you agree with that? >> i don't know. what i do know is that the precautions that can prevent transmission with the original wild type virus work against the uk variant. so, you know, the u.s. actually has, you know, relative to a few months ago, more people wearing masks now, most of the time. if we can increase that, and this has been an initial goal of the biden administration to increase mask wearing for the first 100 days, if we can do that, we can prevent that virus from spreading in the united states, as well. our mitigation methods work against that uk variant, we just need to do it. >> masks make a big difference. dr. reiner, thanks, as always, for getting up for us. really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >>> this morning,