now i want us to listen to osyp zinkevich, since we started talking about the publisher and later headg house, osyp zinkevich, this is what he says about chornovol and the ukrainian herald. if it weren't for chornovil, if it weren't for the disaster, later heralds, i very much doubt who would have proclaimed the independence of ukraine. so already the information about the events, about the arrests , about the repressions, about the russifications, went not there in several tens of copies of the newsletters, but it was already distributed to millions of listeners of the radio liberty voice of america, some of it was also broadcast by other stations, and chornovol just had a vision of the future, how to achieve independence, no one in those days, these are the 70s, believed that the most powerful country in the world the soviet union, i doubt whether at that time, and today, that small group of people, which was spreading, had more and more supporters both in lviv and in kyiv. and this process of fighting with completely different means for the independence of the ukrainian state has al

journalists first to paris, to be transferred to the shevchenko society, and from there to baltimore to osyp zinkeviche osyp had already decoded the tape. and it came out, the herald came out already as a book, and then it went on radio svoboda, then i already spoke, it was translated into several languages, and already the world has an audience of a million, and it was for the union, it was scarier than the atomic bomb, there was a meeting, this is yevhen to me kyrylovych marchuk, when he was with me on the fifth channel in the program, told me when i asked him for... about the criminal case under with the code name blok and how does he know about the ukrainian herald, he says, let me explain that yevgeny kyrylovych marchuk is also a ukrainian politician who was, who was also the minister of defense, headed the national security and defense council, but he also worked, also headed the kgb general in the soviet time, the first head of the security service of ukraine, the first head of the security service, it is very important, and the same. it is important to say that this kgb operation bloc, this ac

of the kgb, some kind of provocation, absolutely, if it was more time, he is talking about it, osyp zinkevich tells, he says that the reaction of the ukrainian diaspora was strange, but the powerful soviet propaganda worked, this is precisely its lustration, how it worked, how effectively it worked, that even ukrainians believed that ukraine as such was already no, it dissolved in the soviet union, and and everything, about which there is not much to say, they sent, well, people there, such a girl, i remember, he also mentions her, who, well , had to meet, she came from the west to you to check, yes, yes, yes , yes, in what year was it, it was, it was somewhere, somewhere, somewhere somewhere... after the disaster appeared somewhere in the 69th-70th year, that is, a person came from the diaspora who learned here that she handed over the photos, proofs, proofs of existence, but the most interesting thing in this story with the ukrainian herald is that even before the arrests , yacheslav somehow felt, understood that this is how we it won't do, gently and easily, he... foresaw that he would be