otis did not. henry died of pneumonia in a japanese p.o.w. >> skardon: and if, if i could have cried, i would have cried. >> alfonsi: all together, ben was a prisoner of the japanese for over 1,000 days. he was finally liberated from a camp in manchuria, china by the soviet army in august, 1945. this is the first picture that was taken of him after he was freed. beverly is his given name. that was a happy guy in that picture. yeah, you look very thin here. >> skardon: well, i wasn't askin' for compliments. >> alfonsi: he came home to south carolina and taught english at clemson, where he was beloved by his students. but few knew what he had endured. >> skardon: i never spoke about it until i was 80 years old. i felt humiliated. >> alfonsi: humiliated. >> skardon: we had surrendered. yes, ma'am. i, that was one thing that i had a hard tug with in my own mind. we surrendered. we gave up. >> alfonsi: it doesn't matter that he was awarded two silver stars and two bronze stars for gallantry and heroism in combat on bataan. when you came back to th

now, history of reconstructionist cast otis howard as a flawed hero. in many ways he embodied the limitations that the federal governments efforts to remake the rebel south. the historian william mcfeely, he gave howard almost 50 years ago he gave howard the ominous epithet, the yankee stepfather. and i'm sure that there's some very nice yankee stepfather, but doesn't sound that great. still, howard was a true champion of african-american civil rights. during the civil war he was constantly meeting men and women with cross union army line searching for freedom. and every encounter convinced him all the more of the crucial fact of african-american equality. and after the war, there were plenty of abolitionists who would all kinds of racist white supremacist views, but not howard. plenty of people who would parse the meaning of the quality. they would say political equality is one thing, but sold equality is a totally different thing. howard saw equality as a unitary concept. equality meant equality. so after the war he integrated his church in washingto

but for me it was big beard for otis howard. a turning point in his life occurred in the late spring of 1857 when god started speaking to him. he was 26 years old. he was desperately lonely and depressed while battling clouds of mosquitos and flies in the worst, most remote posting possible. tampa, florida. he called it a field for self-denial. tampa. could be on welcome to tampa. [laughter] >> but the civil war broke out right as howard was about to resign from the army, go to seminary and pursue the ministry. but he stayed and he fought from bull run onward. he lost his right arm during the peninsula campaign in 1862 almost to the shoulder. makes actually reading his letters a real challenge. he had a very nice hand before he lost his right arm. not so much afterwards. but within a few months he healed and went right back to the front and ended the war as one of sherman's commanders in the march to the sea and the final push through the carolinas. fighting for the union became his way of serving god and creating god's kingdom

did otis just have one. >> otis just had his, yeah. >> seth: uh what was, so otis turned three, what'srthday party like. it's uh, madness it's partly the kids, partly the adults. but you know, we had beers, we had wine for the adults. we had juice boxes for the kids. both have the same effect, i find. [ light laughter ] but the funny thing was it was the third birthday so we got everybody chance the rapper hats. as the party gifts because it has a big old three on there. so thank you chance, a pat for sending those our way. cause the parents and the kids loved them. but thatni of the shower, and our friend charlene who was helping us set up the party, just comes upstairs, knocks on the bedroom door and says, "jason, there's a leak. there's a leak in the basement. there's water all over the place." i'm like, "what are you talking about?" and i've got like pinball machines down there and, like you know, just priceless works of art of my own. [ laughter ] because they're horrible and no one should pay for them. priceless. and so i immediately got some clothes on, ran down there. and i bro

otis nashe has lived in the mostly minority chicago neighborhood of east gar field park for his entire life. >> i feel like it's pretty much anywhere else. you get traffic in the morning but that's because you have people going to school and going to work. >> he is rated a good driver and pays almost $200 a month for his geico auto insurance policy. christopher day who is also rated a good driver and lives 14 miles away in the mostly white chicago neighborhood of andersonville pays around $115 a month for a geico policy with more coverage for liability but less for comprehensive and collision. it's a disparity consumer reports and pro public a solve time and again. >> we looked at 34 different insurers in illinois and 33 of them had on average a difference between minority and nonminute orlt neighborhoods of 10%. >> price disparity based on zip codes is not just happening in illinois. three other states, missouri, texas and california also provided data used in the investigation. >> i think we could say based on the four states that it certainly raises questions about what is going on

so who is oliver otis howard? >> he was a west point graduate had piercing blue eyes and a beard that would put zz top to shame. writing about the late 19th century soldiers and settlers is there are only so many ways you can describe a huge beard. i once saw and all of envelope walt whitman was writing and there was a list of the saddest words he could think of but for me it was just a beer a week debate -- list. the turning point was in the late spring of 1857 when god started speaking to him. he was 26-years-old, lonely and depressed battling clouds of mosquitoes and most worst post-nashville, tampa florida. he called it a fuel for self-denial. the civil war broke out as howard was about to resign from the army and pursue the ministry but he stayed and fought from bull run onward. he lost his arm almost to the shoulder and it makes reading his letters a challenge. he had very nice handwriting before he lost his arm and not so nice afterwards but she healed and went back to the front and ended the war as one of

otis is the chief education facilitator. he said he didn't have facts but called our findings concerning. >> if there are ongoing issue, we'll address that or they'll be removed from the program. they have instance of alleged violence. staff at this ymca were accused of putting children in a closet in 2013 and again in 2016. another child accused a staffer of dragging him down the hall. sean elliot says the y fired staff and reported to dhs. >> we are never perfect and can do better, but i think we can reassure parents by bringing attention to it. >> another child had hair pulled making him scream out in pain. >> prodigy daycare in east falls has been the subject of four injury cases since 2010 including one where are a child was dragged by the neck after she wet her pants. all of the cases were settled out of court. western, the ymca and prodigy are considered four star facilities, supposedly the best of the best for pre-k. >> this is an ambitious roll out by the mayor. do you think the vetting process should have lasted lo

that's otis. your puppy. >> otis is 13. >> stephen: oh! his bottom teeth so you get tongue instead! it's so great, always tongue. >> stephen: are you-- do you love puppies? >> oh, beyond. >> stephen: because the reason i ask you is that we have got some fantastic puppies here in the house tonight. and i was wondering if you could help me tell the people out there about the puppies we have tonight. >> nothing would thrill me more. >> stephen: if you could stick around. >> i'm back. >> stephen: we'll be back with jim parsons and some puppies. ♪ ♪ ( applause ) hey girlfriend, how's your cafe au lait? oh, it's actually... sfx: (short balloon squeal) it's ver... sfx: (balloon squeals) ok can we... sfx: (balloon squeals) i'm being so serious right now... i really want to know how your coffee is. it's... sfx: (balloon squeals) hahahaha, i had a 2nd balloon goodbye! oof, that milk in your coffee was messing with you, wasn't it? yeah. happens to more people than you think. try lactaid, it's real milk, without that annoying lactose. mmm. good right?

on the other side of the coin, oliver otis howard who founded the university, no one in the army by his fellow general says the general emerges very favorably and on the indian side, a very high appreciation for chief sitting bull and chief joseph. >> what is coming up? what is your next sweeping epic? >> my next book will be a biography of a railroad train. [train horn] >> can everyone hear me okay? sort of a nice sound. adds to the ambience of it. my next book will be a biography of chief tecumseh, the great shiny chief -- shiny chief who led the indian alliance in the old northwest, killed in the war of 1812 and interestingly his career as a warrior took shape, took form during the time of buildup. it was very helpful to me. not only did i enjoy it but it was helpful to understand the early years of tecumseh's life. >> they do goad together. by two books. >> i wish i could say for the price of one. >> i will always the first question back to bill and ask what got him started and interested in this topic. >> i come at it from a different angle. the early republic specifically resistan

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we don't have otis coming into the jail tank. that's not the kind of county jail inmate we've got.00 people in custody for murder today. we don't have people in jail for simple possession of marijuana, like some people might think. we have some very serious felony inmates in our custody. >> hands behind your back. >> unlike prison inmates, who have all been convicted of crimes, most jail inmates have only been accused and are being held awaiting trial or the resolution of their charges. still, violence can suddenly break out in jail, just as it does in prison. >> when you're dealing with jails full of predators, there's always going to be prey. the inmates prey on each other, cause disturbances, cause big situations to occur. what happens is, the deputies that are on scene will try to control it. they do a great job. once they start to lose a little bit of control, what they'll do is they'll give us a call. >> sergeant hernandez is in charge of the orange county jail's emergency response team or ert. >> go ahead and grab your gear from the shelves. and then just take it outside. >>

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except for some of the carrier and otis barrier. would say international is so strong for everybody. food business, technology business. industrial business. u.s. is stalled. >> yeah. so are you now screening names when picking favorites here, companies that can outperform overseas and are resistant to an american slowdown or american recession? >> exactly. >> how far do you take it? >> not a recession, but i have to believe that what we're seeing is the u.s. to be fair picked up last year and now you're starting to see a year over year situation where you've got europe and asia doing much better. when you look at the industrial companies you're struck by the fact -- and europe remains strong. they have the incredibly low interest rates. you have to understand they're subsidizing the euro. keeping it low. and business is really good. business for autos is much better here than there. why do they have a higher priced multiple than ford? it's stuck with the awful u.s. market. >> as for young, it sounds like they were able to get some

this is something we've heard from otis elevator, part of united technologies. [ cheers and applauseina is making a comeback in heavy equipment. >> some of the pmis might not necessarily go along with that, jim. got another the private china. mi was a miss and the weakest in september but you're not putting too much stock in those numbers. [ bell ringing ] >> i think some of the commodity numbers have peaked but there are some companies that are doing construction and mining like cummins and construction has been very strong over in europe, mining is starting to come back because we've gotten kind of a sense that maybe our country is going to be doing more mining but i think mostly what's happened with cummins they've got the most let's say pollution free engines, so in china he's a real imperative. the pollution free that is the tale there, not necessarily more commerce. >> there is the opening bell, jim, and the s&p at the bottom of our screen pretty good open at the big board, it flex shares celebrating its core select bond fund over at the nasdaq old anyoneon freight line doing t

the star has been messed with, last-minute somebody scribbled we can't say on tv in october james otis. maria: people are so sick and tired of this that is wrong, why are aren't more people calling this out, this is just wrong sl. >> totally wrong, a pickax words we can't repeat that level of anger needs to go i think people have freedom of expression but i don't -- vandalizeing is not part. >> this is rieldz. >> the respect for the office of the president united states is the thing that really gets me -- should be rev revenues for the office. >> i think important we separate we start separating, the person from the behaviors you don't like the policies you don't like rather than just categorizing him as demon, i this can we need healthier debates about what people believe. >> like colbert homophobic tirade against president trump okay because president trump not okay in any other instance even rapting about somebody wasn't even famous i don't understand the left stands behind -- >> former president obama what would happen to that person. >> arrested thrown in jail would you be labeled

. >> senator, tell me about mercy otis warren. >> a close friend and protÉge, she was a playwright, prolifict would present us with a sort of a monarchy in miniature because of the fact that the federal government would concentrate too much power in the hands of a few. she ended up having a longstanding feud with her friend john adams in a heated - >> ds the president have too much power? >> the federal government as a whole has too much power and too much power to the executive branch. we've seen this accumulation of power in washington in two steps. >> final question. who is your favorite forgotten founders of the book? besides aaron burr who you're trying to resuscitate. >> the ir could i indian chief, himself responsible for federalism, for this concept that we followed for a long time and neglected in recent decades, most power should be at the state and local level and not in washington, d.c. this is not a european concept this is a native american concept. benjamin franklin got and transferred to the other founding fathers. >> the new book "written out of history" the forgotten founde