can you give -- >> the influence of otis chandler, the influence of the colonel mccormick to set the tone from the publishers perspective. estimate how we do that at the chicago -- >> it's your values. part of the reasons the people that you mentioned chandler and mccormick and the people that gave the tribune, made the tribune a great newspaper is that they had strong journalistic values and they believe in the journalism and i think that it's we kind of got out of fashion that journalists should be in charge of the business operations and be involved in it. we have a law to protect us and we would remain pure and would never do that. i think that has to change and i think that journalists have to assume the business responsibilities that we didn't do for a long time and kind of figure this out because i think what might said the lives talking about before. it has to be based the public respect for you and your values and the institutions that you run so you have to really be strong and racist and i think that it will be easier in an organization like the chicago is cooperative can i