hans frank and otto wachter did monstrous things, criminal things, the most terrible things imaginable hans frank was hanged for the murder of 4 million human beings, 3 million jews, 1,000,000 poles. it's almost impossible to conceive of the scale of the killing. but you go through their personal documents, their letters, their diaries and you see they are also capable of love and humanity and decency, and this is the fundamental problem. how did a highly intelligent, highly educated, highly cultured human beings get involved in mass murder? and it's notjust an issue for back then. a couple years ago, i stood in the international court ofjustice doing the case for gambia against myanmar and the treatment of their rohingya, allegations of genocide and sitting no further away from me and you are today with aung san suu kyi, than you are today was aung san suu kyi, and i sat there thinking, "how can you possibly defend this now?" this is a nobel peace prize winner ofjust a few years ago and now, she's standing up in court defending, effectively, mass killing. you are a highly educated man