but i would like to start with biochemist otto warburg as you. his family dynamics. his early life rated let's start there and tell us about his family. sam: so his father was very prominent physicist. he was jewish, and part of the famous warburg family that is best known as a financial family of the warburg bank. and trento is a product of these other warburg senate the time it was unusual for somebody of jewish descent to rise to a high academic position and his father really rises all of the way to the top of the civics world and otto warburg present the sum of the greatest scientists in history. a regular einstein it was very close to camille warburg and fisher and was great chemistry to so many of these world-famous personalities and someone, they had already one the nobel prizes enterprises added otto warburg pretends to be a world changing scientist in his life. he grows up with it. his natural surroundings and what he feels is expected of him. and the question in his mind is really not busy going to make world changes discoveries but in what field it's going

so t otto warburg bother was vey prominent physicist. he was jewish, he was a part of the famous warburg family that is best known as a financial family, the warburg bank. otto warburg and his father are cousins of these other warbirds and at the time it was unusual for summit of jewish descent to rise to high academic position. his father really rises with all the way to the top of the physics world and auto grows up in this house that is full of the world's greatest physicist come some of the great scientist in history, max, einstein very close, neil fisher, the great chemist. many of these world-famous personalities to go on at the happen to winin nobel prizes and otto warburg and tends to be a world changing scientist just like the people he grows up with, his natural surroundings, when what he feels is expected of him. the question in his mind is really not easy going to make a world changing discovery, but in what field b it is going to be. and he does feel a sense of competitiveness with his father and wants to out to him which is

his father, einstein loved his father otto warburg and he helped atindia warburg helped show einstein's theories were e correct. he provided theexperiential evidence . so otto warburg decides that is going to outdo his father and make his name is a great scientist. he's going to do it not in the realm of physics but in the real biology, in the living world. throughout his life he continues to approach biology from the lens of a physicist. he's always interested in energy . that's the background. he had somebody described as almost a profit with a religious devotion and that's what he tells about scienceis anybody who didn't become a scientist , he couldn't imagine it. that's the world he grows up in and sure enough he does make hisworld changing discovery . >> a little pressure from the family. i have the feeling he just was to be was. he was just, was ingrained in him so before we move on to this work and his life and all these other things, i wanted to talk about hitler because it's a main part of the book how these two very different people tied together. so in order to understand th

very interestingti, talk about was it see creatures that he worked with. >> explain his work, otto warburg is in his lab, what was his goal, what was he searching for an almost single-mindedly. >> sure, the research actually starts even before he has his own lab weenies and training as a medical student and physiologist but all the european scientists to a special marine station in naples and he's putting fear to them in nevada being a scientist at the time it's an experimental and trying to understand chromosomes in the very foundation of modern genetics, warburg was there with all the famous scientist at the same time i mentioned before he was the son and he focused on energy and he wants to understand how it grows and you need energy so he buys and comes up with these innovative devicef to measure how much oxygen was being used and how much carbon dioxide is given up and he finds the taking up a lot of oxygen and it makes to assent if t youe going you need energy and that's always been his mind to try to understand how it manages to grow because from the very beginning he wants to under

there focused on otto warburg and cancer science. any explain it in this book. it is truly bizarre.yes, i thought so too great was absolutely fascinating. almost hard to put somewhere in your head up in any way that is what happened. and now, let's continue on. might be getting my timelines well, he left the lab and he moved the u.s. for a while and drove this foresight is absolutely crazy was a very kind soul that was just didn't know when that happened and why and then what happened after. >> after this event i told you he makes it to the end of the war not only if he survived in 1942 bombs started to fall sorry, 1943 started to fall and he is essentially moved to a new institute which is sort of a refurbished mansion on a favorite stateus in the german countryside and this is at a time by the late 40s when nobody's allowed to use gasoline or building materials to build a new institute. he gets in trouble again and is almost arrested again but in the end, he survives and has an extraordinary treatment, so the soviets come to power and take over the other part and sort of caught in