. >> okay, ouchy poo. if this is straight out of witness tampering for dummies and, again, what they're going after has little to do with the president. does it make sense for president trump to go out on a limb with this? the department of justice really did a number on paul manafort. it soundik paul kind of did one on himself. >> paul's a bad actor and i love glen for saying, giving a dummy's guide to witness tampering. especially what you said earlier. i think what they're trying to do, witness tampering holds a maximum jail time. so if they revoke his bail, and they make him sit in jail, you're going to have a whole different attitude. your realization of, you know, your potential spending the rest of your life in jail, who knows what you're going to do or what you're goi to s when you're sitting in there and you're not in your normal habitat. the other bigger q is will president trump pardon manafort. and is it to his advantage to even do so. because it sounds like paul manafort breaking away from the