on tte senate, and you know why, 31 democrats in the house, 5 democrats inhe se sa they agreedt me oughto the middle of a recession. what might happen down o is not the subject today. the question is, do we want to raise taxes in the middleoa very, very tough economy? all the republicans think that's a bad idea, and a substantial number of the democrats think the same thing. >> right, but there's also this huge ithaople about, and that is the deficit. >> and adding -- keeping the ta cuts will add trillions to that, and let me ask you this, according to howard gleckman at the tax policy center, let's see what he's just written, "mcconnell would have to abolish all the rest of the government to get a balance by 2020, everything, no more national parks, no more nih, no more highway construction, no more homeland security, oh, and no more congress." >> let me tell you -- >> so where would you get the cuts. >> let me tell you how to reduce the deficit. two things, number one, get spending down and, number two, you need to get the economy going. >> right. >> everything that's happened in the la