if you're both in the ster to be outquestion. you want to go first because you want to be the leader. the category king, i think, gets about 80% of their resources traditionallily, 80% of the market cap. it actually reminds me back when we took ariba public. we took it public after 2 3/4 years. there was another company called commerce one. i don't remember if you all remember that in terms of following our tail on the b2b commerce. they ultimately went bankrupt but they were right behind our tail. they were about a week later and i remember running into them in talking to the investment e ba fst and it doesn't work very well, you can go, oh, i know all the mistakes washes -- no. i think there's a much bigger advantage to be the leader. >> ishe that trying to overdeliver in that first 6, 12-month category you've seen happen again and again? >> yeah. you see a lot of companies sometimes go too early because they don't have that predictability in their model. it's that push to do an ipo. now, these -- all these companies, the big s