take us back into the oval office long before january, when there were the five of you, including the chairman of the joint chiefs, and you all had that meeting when trump authorized calling up the guard. >> yeah, so we were in the oval office talking about a very serious national security matter which is why i remember it so distinctly, totally unrelated to january 6th and the president brought up january 6th security protocol measures come on top of everyone's mind given what was n the media and the president said you have my authorization as the commander in chief, the department of defense come up to 20,000 national guard's men and women. for us, who operate on chain of command at the department of defense, we said roger that, sir, we will get ready as best as the law allows us but we did one step further, we went to the capitol police, we went to nancy pelosi and we said, do you want this trip request? not even 20,000 format, 1,000, 16,000, whatever number in between, and they refused it

the next day, the president called me to the oval office.r was being opened for me to walk in to the oval office, walking out of the opposite side of the oval office and chuckling were halderman and ehrlichman. it was one of my more interesting meetings with the president. he said i have drafted up some letters. why don't you take a look? he slides them across his desk and i read them and i first of all realize they were open confessions. he gave me a blanket resignation letter, actually, two of them. hat i signed i would be admitting to whatever they claimed i was admitting to. they were both drafted by ehrlichman i later learned which doesn't surprise me. i understood the way the white house work that people at the top didn't take responsibility but rather blame somebody else. create a scapegoat. it was standard operating procedure. i made it very clear i wouldn't consider signing either of them. after that conversation, i realized i have failed to convince my colleagues and nixon that this thing has got to end and i'm going to be the one

the outer oval section of the oval office. i followed him into that little corridor hallway. i saw him walk into outer oval. i maybe took a step into outer oval and left. and i don't know where he went outside of that but it looked like he was headed in the direction of the oval office. >> we had all talked about -- at that point, about how it was bad and the, you know, situation was getting out of hand, and i know ben williamson and i were conferring and thought that the president needed to tweet something immediately. and i think when kayly gave us the order of don't say anything to the media, i told her that, i thought the president needed to tweet something. and then i remember i remember getting a notification on my phone and i was sitting in a room with roma and ben, and we all got a notification, so we knew it was a tweet from the president. we looked down and it was a tweet about mike pence. >> i believe i had sent him a text saying we may want to pa out some sort of statement because the situation was getting a little

i am summoned back as i go into the oval office. i do not see him, and his secretary says no he is having lunch in his private dining room, go back there. i have never been back there. so, i am both terrified and trying to take in everything that is on the walls as i make this to two-second walk to the private dining room. he is in there in a plate of carrots or something he [laughs]. he has made his edits and he wants me to read them and understand what he is doing. i see that he has blown out that section a little more and added a little piece about refugees. later on i learned that he had actually been in a meeting related to refugees. you could see the evolution of his thinking, but he was going to do something else right after that, he said go make these edits, and send me back a draft. i am going to go meet the pope at andrews later but i will take a look at it tonight. i send it back and maybe are on the end of the night i sent him to get those edits. he had a few more, but what was interesting was to watch the evolution of h

what else can i do to help prepare for this meeting at the oval office. he said you and pat should get the aags on the phone. it's time to let them know what's going on. let's find out what they may do if there's a change in leadership. that will help in form the conversation at the oval office. pat set up that meeting. we got most of the ags on the phone. very quickly explained to them what the situation was. i told them i don't need an answer for you right now. if you have an answer, i need it. call me, e-mail me, text me, whatever it is, if you know what you would do if jeff clark is put in charge hoff the department. immediately the aag at the civil rights division said there's no way i'm staying. the other aag's began to chime in. they all said they would leave, they would resign in mass if the president made that change in the department leadership. >> incredible. i'd like to look at the assistant attorney generals on the screen if we can pull that up. have their pictures. did every assistant attorney general that you spoke to as you said agree to r

he has been described as one of the half dozen people at the white house closest to the oval office. istening devices in the office of the president? >> i wasn't sure what would happen to me, but one thing i did know is i had always been honest. >> i was aware of listening devices, yes, sir. >> did he say there were tapes? what? >> yeah, talk about a bombshell. >> in february of 1971, the president told bob haldeman, his chief of staff that he wanted to install some listening devices around the white house. haldeman said it was up to me to decide who should install these devices. i chose the secret service. >> the system was designed only to tape conversations in which nixon participated. and so when he would enter a room there was a taping system, they would flip the on switch for the system in that room. when he left the room, they would turn it off. >> why did he want the tape recorder? >> the listening devices were to record as much of the administration's business as possible. that's why we had the listening devices in so many different areas. nixon installed the taping system so

i proceeded into the oval office.i took probably two, three steps in and i stopped, because i was, as the ag set, not exactly properly attired i was wearing jeans and muddy boots and an army t-shirt. and i never would arrive in the oval office this way and i said mister president i apologize i'm, sorry i didn't know i was going to be handy. said no, no, no, just coming. so i went in. i attempted to take a seat on one of the couches behind the chairs more right in front of the president's desk and he said, oh, no, no, no. you are going to be up here. and everyone kind of left. and they moved the chairs a little bit and some were from the white house counsel's office picked up a spare chair and put it directly in front of the president, and i took that seat. >> was there a discussion about mr. clark? kind of enlightened some of what that discussion was? >> yes. so the conversation at this point had moved beyond the specific allegation of where they're there with state farm arena or antrim county or pennsylvania or whate

the outer oval section of the office. i followed him into that little corridor hallway. i saw him walk into outer oval. i maybe took a step into outer oval and then left. i don't know where he went outside of that. it looked like he was headed in the direction of the oval office. >> we get all talked about at that point how it was bad and that the situation was getting out of hand. i know ben williamson and i were conferring. we thought that the president needed to tweet something. and wheat something immediately. i think when kayleigh gave us that order of, don't say that anything to the media, i told her that i thought the president needed to tweet something. then i remember getting a notification on my phone, i was sitting in a room with roma and then, we all got a notification me. we knew it was a tweet from the president. we looked down. it was a tweet about mike pence. >> i believe i had sent him a text saying that we may have wanted to put out some statement. because the situation was getting a little hairy over at

on the right, you can see the president's oval office. on the left, chief of staff's office suite. in the heart of the west wing was your desk, between the vice president's office and the oval office. ms. hutchinson, is this an accurate depiction of where you are located? >> it is accurate. a lot smaller than it looks. >> absolutely. this is a photo that shows the short distance between your office and the president's oval office. and it only takes five to 10 seconds or so to walk down the hall from your office to the oval office. is that right? >> that's correct. >> thank you. pursuant to the house resolution, the chair recognizes ms. cheney for questions. >> thank y very much, mr. chairman. we will begin today wi an exchange that first provided ms. hutchinson a tangible nse of the planning for the ents of 6. januaryon january 2, four days before the attack, president trump's leaawyer, mr. giuliani, was meeting with mark meadowand others. do you remember mr. giuliani meeting with mr. meadows on january 2, 2021? >> i do. he met with mr. meadows in the evening of january 2. >> we un

i proceeded into the oval office. i took probably two, three steps in and i stopped because i was, as the a.g. said, not exactly properly attired. i was wearing jeans and muddy boots and an army t-shirt, and i never would arrive in the oval office this way. i said, mr. president, i apologize, i'm sorry. i didn't know i was going to be here. and he said, no, just come in. and so i went in. i attempted to take a seat on one of the couches or behind the chairs arrayed in front of the president's desk, and he said, oh, no, no, you're going to be up here. and everyone kind of laughed. and they moved the chairs a little bit. someone from the white house counsel's office picked up a spare chair and put it directly in front of the president and i took that seat. >> was there discussion about mr. clark? can you enlighten what some of that discussion was? >> yes. so, the conversation at this point had moved beyond the specific allegations, whether it was state farm arena or antram county or pennsylvania or whatever. we had disc

miss hudson, this is a photo that shows to a short distance between your office and the president oval office. and it only takes 5 to 10 seconds or so to walk down the hall from your office to the oval office. is that right? that's correct. thank you. pursuant to the section 5, c 8 of house resolution 503, the chair recognizes john woman from wyoming. miss chaney for questions. thank you very much mister chairman. miss sharon, we will begin today with an exchange that 1st provided miss hutchinson a tangible sense of the ongoing planning for the events of january 6 on january 2nd, 4 days before the attack on our capital president. trump's lead lawyer, mr. juliani was meeting with white house chief of staff, mark meadows and others. ms. hutchinson. do you remember mr. julie, on a meeting with mr. meadows on january 2nd 2021. i do or he met with mr. meadows in the evening of january 2nd. 2021. and we understand that you walked mr. juliani out of the white house that night and he talks to you about january 6th. what you remember him saying as the so julian and i were walking to his vehicles that

the first house in the oval office, i forgot the complete thing. like, i don't even remember. because, you are just there. you're like, i'm in the room. it's so bright. like, what am i doing with my hands? like. it's hard. you get used to it. especially senior people, you get used to it. yeah, thanks. >> in the impeachment of andrew johnson, one the articles of impeachment involves speech writing. the president had done a tour of the country defending his version of reconstruction, and hhad apparently been so crude, so offensive, so unpresidential in his criticism of the radical republicans that they wrote that as a reason for his removal from office. is it possible for a president to say something, write something, or tweet something that would justify removal from office? >> well, it would justify the removal of the writer. [laughs] that's what you live in fear of. but of course, johnson didn't have writers. so bango, impeachment. >> i mean legally, i can't answer that question. i feel like, if he says something that is, where he perjured himself, then, yes? >> >> it seems l

halfway and the outer oval section of the oval office. i followed him in to that little corridor hallway. i saw him walk in to outer oval. i maybe took a step in to outer oval and lef: i don't know where he went after that. looked like he was headed to the oval office. >> we talked at that point about how it was bad. you know, the situation was getting out of hand. i know ben williamson and i were conferring. we thought that the president needed to tweet something and tweet something immediately. i think when kayleigh gave us that order of don't say anything to the media, i told her that i thought the president needed to tweet something. then i remember -- then i remember getting a notification on my phone. i was sitting in a room with roma and ben. we all got a notification. we knew it was a tweet from the president. we looked down. it was a tweet about mike pence. >> i believe that i had sent him a text saying that we may want to put out some sort of statement because the situation was getting hairy at the capitol. it was common after i

i proceeded into the oval office.i took probably two, three steps in and i stopped, because i was, as the ag set, not exactly properly attired i was wearing jeans and muddy boots and an army t-shirt. and i never would arrive in the oval office this way and i said mister president i apologize i'm, sorry i didn't know i was going to be handy. said no, no, no, just coming. so i went in. i attempted to take a seat on one of the couches behind the chairs more right in front of the president's desk and he said, oh, no, no, no. you are going to be up here. and everyone kind of left. and they moved the chairs a little bit and some were from the white house counsel's office picked up a spare chair and put it directly in front of the president, and i took that seat. >> was there a discussion about mr. clark? kind of enlightened some of what that discussion was? >> yes. so the conversation at this point had moved beyond the specific allegation of where they're there with state farm arena or antrim county or pennsylvania or whate

the committee did show the american people the west wing, her desk just down the hall from the oval office, right outside mark meadows' office, often right by meadows' side. >> reporter: just steps away from the president, david. but the presformer president is a flurry of statements while the hearing was still under way, attacking cassidy hutchinson, denying what she said. two things are clear, one, donald trump was watching this hearing, and the second thing is, that cassidy hutchinson's testimony clearly struck a nerve with him. >> and jon, we're also hearing tonight from the former chief of staff before mark meadows, mick mulvaney, who tweeted that he knows cassidy hutchinson and that he believes her. >> reporter: he said that and mulvaney said that the testimony was explosive and he predicted that others close to trump, as a result of testimony, would be testifying themselves soon.f tonight. jon, thank you. >>> and one more question on this, so, let's bring in our chief justice correspondent pierre thomas, because this was a significant piece of testimony, pierre. cassidy hutchinson s

the outer oval section of the office. i followed him into that little corridor hallway. i saw him walk into outer oval. i maybe took a step into outer oval and then left. i don't know where he went outside of that. it looked like he was headed in the direction of the oval office. >> we get all talked about at that point how it was bad and that the situation was getting out of hand. i know ben williamson and i were conferring. we thought that the president needed to tweet something. and wheat something immediately. i think when kayleigh gave us that order of, don't say that anything to the media, i told her that i thought the president needed to tweet something. then i remember getting a notification on my phone, i was sitting in a room with roma and then, we all got a notification me. we knew it was a tweet from the president. we looked down. it was a tweet about mike pence. >> i believe i had sent him a text saying that we may have wanted to put out some statement. because the situation was getting a little hairy over at

starting with a heated phone call from the oval office. the president, the vice president, and multiple witnesses to this call. the president pushing pence to block the certification of the election on that night. tonight, the images from the committee today from inside the oval office the morning of january 6th. members of president trump's inner circle from daughter ivankatrp, top a counsel, all describg itoday th callo the vice pr describing the call as heated. the president telling pence he had no courage, calling him a wimp and worse, what we won't say here. after that call, the rally on the mall and initially, the president's written speech did not mention pence. but the committee today revealing the president added pence to his speech, saying it was essentially all up to pence. telling the crowd pence had the power to overturn biden's election victory, saying, quote, mike pence is going to have to come through for us. even though trump's inner circle, white house lawyers and pence himself had repeatedly told the president that the v

so what did we learn about the january 3rd oval office meeting? >> we learned new detail and this is a little event before the riots on january 6th, we learned it took place in the oval office, then president trump had all the senior leadership of the justice department as well as his white house legal team, and he invited them to debate the merits of proceeding with the justice department intervening in the results of the presidential election on the basis that a senior justice department official jeff clark, said there were irregularities, and this would warrant a special section, and some legislators would put forward an ultimate set of collectors. what we learned in the testimony today is that there was unanimous support against this proposition and that president trump was told it would have extremity extremely damaging effects for the country and the justice department but also him personally and his legacy. he decided against this course of action that would've taken jeff clark and made him the top official in the justice department, headin

this is a photo that shows the short distce between your office and the president's oval office. and it only takes five to 10 seconds or so to walk down the hall from your office to the oval office. is that right? that's correct. >> thank you. pursuant to the house resolution, the chair recognizes ms. cheney for questions. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. we will begin today with an exchange that first provided ms. hutchion a tgible nse of the planning f the ents of 6. januaryon january 2, four days before the attack, president trump's leadawyer, mr. uliani, was meeting with mark meadowand others. do you remember mr. uliani meeting with mr. meadows on january 2, 2021? >> i do. he met with mr. meadows in the evening of january 2. >> we understand you walked mr. giuliani out of the white house that night. and he talked to you abo january 6. what do you remember him saying? >> we were walking to his vecle that evening. he looked at me and said something to the effect of, are you excited for the 6th? is going to be a great day. i remember looking at him saying, rudy, can you expl

oh my god, the oval office, that's one thing. executive office, that's another. but camp david? six months ago, the premier of the soviet union stayed in camp david. when my turn came, i said mr. butterfield, the camp david thing, that bothers me because we have visitors there. he said, no, when the president is not in the room, the oval office -- there is no recording. it records automatically but only when the president is there. i said, thank god. another world war was not going to come about. but anyway, i hate to hurry up, but you've all been here a long time. there's a lot more circumstances because i want you to think about your circumstances as well. and those of you are past life, the circumstances that got you here today are really unique. and i'd say i don't give legal advice anymore, but my general advice is, be prepared for the circumstances. be careful how you handle them. they are coming, and they are going to be some good ones and some bad ones. it's going to be your choice how to proceed from there. if you have any questions, i'm not in a hurry, but you all have

i proceed into the oval office.robably two or three steps in and i stopped because i was, as the ag said, not exactly properly attired. i was wearing jeans and muddy boots and an army t-shirt, and i never would arrive in the oval office this way. i said, mr. president, i apologize. i'm sorry, i didn't know i was going to be here. and he said, no, no, no, just come in, come in, come in. and so i went in. i attempted to take a seat on one of the couches that are behind the chairs arrayed in front of the president's desk. and he said, oh, no, no, no, you're going to be up here. and everyone kind of laughed and they moved the chairs a little bit. someone from the white house counsel's office picked up a spare chair and put it directly in front of the president, and i took that seat. >> was there discussion about mr. clark? can you kind of enlighten some of what that discussion was? >> yes. so the conversation at this point had moved beyond the specific allegations, whether it was state farm arena or antrim county or pen

he had a really vociferous argument one day in the oval office with carter.eft, went back to my office, a few minutes later susan clough, the president's secretary comes in and hands me very formally a green envelope. now, the green envelope is stationery signifying a hand written instruction from the president. and so, he knew it was something from jimmy carter. he opens the envelope, they are carter says, zbig, do you ever know when to stop? [laughs] brzezinski was proud of this note. he thought it was, like, signified his, the nature of his access to the president. but you know, it was, this relationship wore carter down. and by the third year of the presidency, during the hostage crisis, zbig was beginning to win the arguments. and you know, zbig was the one who was constantly urging carter to respond to the iran hostage crisis with military force. and he was the one who persuaded carter in the end, reluctantly, to give a green light to the helicopter rescue mission. which, of course, turned out to be a disaster and i think was preordained to be a disaste

yet still, the call came from the oval office.ost all contact with him. but it had never occurred to me that he would become president. i think it's riaht would become president. i think it's right to _ would become president. i think it's right to say _ would become president. i think it's right to say that _ would become president. i think it's right to say that you - it's right to say that you talked to him before his summit with putin. he talked to him before his summit with putin-— with putin. he certainly knew m view with putin. he certainly knew my view of... _ with putin. he certainly knew my view of... well, - with putin. he certainly knew my view of... well, his - with putin. he certainly knew my view of... well, his viewl my view of... well, his view would be totally different from my approach. his view would be the strength of his personal relationship with putin would play a big role in his success. and he had established conservative views that there was a strong adversary. my view would've been that personal relatio

four of you i that i've had an opportunity to interview now confirm that onrv january 4thie in the oval office authorize up to twenty thousand troops cash fatele two days before january six , even happened. tell us about that meeting. yeah, it's not one of those. thanks again, john chris , for having us , especially on d-day to talk about a serious matter. it's not one of those meetings you forget the secretary of defense, chris miller,

he works out almost everyday in the morning before he comes down to the oval office. the american people saw for themselves last night the president stand to give an hour-long address filled with passion and power and wisdom and energy. they saw him hold the longest press conference in the history of presidents a couple weeks ago at the start of the year. a two-hour press conference where he took questions from all kinds of reporters. his fitness, his vigor is beyond question. people see him on the job every day. what they see as a person fully capable of doing the job, fully vigorous, great mental and physical health and taking on the burdens of the office and executing them well. david: today, you would say the president is enjoying the job or is he saying i wish i had not done this? ron: i don't know enjoying is the way he would describe tackling the responsibilities of being the president of the united states, and particularly now, where he has emerged as the leader of the free world, the person reading this coalition confronting vladimir putin. i think he is glad

brazen attempt to manipulate the independent justice department, and the pushback after a dramatic oval office showdown on january 3rd.o >> i said, "mr. president, we could have hundreds and hundredp resignations of the leadership of the entire justice department because of your actions." >> o'donnell: the new trump docu-series. exclusive footage, and the first tv interview with the filmmaker who spent moths with the trump family. do you get a sense that president trump wanted violence to occur on january 6th? the most significant gun ruling in a decade-- the supreme court's major decision allowing more people to carry a firearm. tonight, new york officials calling it a "blow to public safety." juul, banned. what does the f.d.a.'s order mean for the vaping industry? our "eye on america:" how the chicago police department is handling staffing shortages. and, the heroic rescue. we hear from the coach who saved an american swimmer.. plus, 50 years of title ix. how the landmark law changed sports for women, and the world. this is the "cbs evening news" with norah o'donnell, reporting from the nati

are you the only one that can walk into the oval office without an announcement or are there a couple who can do that? ron: any of the senior advisors can come in and see him. he has to not be in another meeting or whatever. we run the white house here where a lot of people have access to the president. a lot of people are able to talk to him directly about what they think without having to go through me. david: the president seems like an even-tempered person but everybody gets upset from time to time. does he yell or scream or he is not a screamer? how does he show his displeasure? does he write a note or how does he say he is not happy? ron: one of joe biden's greatest strengths as president is he has lived a life filled with incredible triumphs and incredible tragedies. people know his biography. they know his background. they know the successes he has had. they know the grave personal setbacks he has suffered. one thing that is true is there is never a morning i go in with news that is as bad or worse than the news someone else has had to deliver at a time in his life. i think th

ao learn of an oval office showdown on janua january 3rd, three days before the insurrection. we've got more on that in just a minute. the other big headline from today's hearing that six house republicans asked for pardons for emselves from the white house. cbs's nikole killion starts us off from capitol hill with all the details. good evening, nikole. >> good evening to you, norah. this appears to be another case the former ece from his own administration as he tried to pressure senior justice department officials to overturn the 2 the 2020 election. >> between december 23rd and january 3, the president either called me or met with me virtually every day -- >> reporter: testifying under oath, top former department of justice officials told the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack that former president trump relentlessly pressured them to investigate false claims of election fraud. >> we had concluded, based on actual investigation, actual witness interviews, actual reviews of documents, that these allegations simply had no merit. >> reporter: weaving p

that dramatic oval office showdown is what stopped this. trump was going to potentially decapitate the doj. people inside his white house were already acting like it was a foregone conclusion while the lawyers stepped up and tried to stop him. >> jeff clark was proposing that jeff rosen be replaced by jeff clark, and i thought the proposal was as nine. >> and i said, that's right, you're an environmental lawyer. how about you go back to your office and we'll call you when there's an oil spill? >> i thought jeff's proposal was nuts. he's a guy -- at a certain point, the best i can tell is the only thing you know about environmental and elections challenges is they both start with "e," and based on your answers tonight i'm not sure you know that. >> among lawyers that is considered a sick burn. but this is more than a battle of lawyers or battle of jeffs or a battle of different people loyal to donald trump. what this turned into was a battle to stop donald trump from installing allies and coup plotters inside the justice department. coups ar

the thought occurred to me on july 13, 1973, oh my god, the oval office, that is one thing, executive office, that is another thing, but camp david? six months ago, the premier of the soviet union stayed in camp david. when my turn came, i said, mr. butterfield, on this camp david thing, that bothers me because we have visitors there. he said, when the president is not in the room, the oval office, camp david, whatever, it is not record. it records automatically but only when the president is there. thank god, another world war was not going to come about. i hate to her yet but you have been here a long time. there's a lot more circumstances. i want you to think about your circumstances as well. your past life and circumstances that got you here today are really unique. my general advice is be prepared for those circumstances, be careful how you handle them. they are coming and there are going to be good ones and bad ones and it is going to be your choice to proceed. if there are any questions, i'm not in a hurry, but he all have been here long. -- but you all have been here long. [ap

i proceeded into the oval office.d i stopped, because i was, as the a.g. said, not exactly properly attired. i was wearing jeans and muddy boots and army t-shirt. and i never would arrive in the oval office this way. i said mr. president, i'm sorry, i didn't know i was going to be here. he said no, no, just come in, come in. so i went in, i attempted to take a seat on one of the couches behind the chairs, or right in front of the president's desk. and he said oh, no, no, no. you're going to be up here. and everyone kind of laughed and they moved the chairs a little bit. someone picked up spare chair and put it directly in front of the president and i took that seat. >> was there discussion about mr. clark? can you kind of enlighten some of what that discussion was? >> yes. so the conversation at this point had moved beyond the specific allegations. whether it was state farm arena or pennsylvania or whatever. we had discussed those repeatedly, and the -- that was backdrop to the conversation. the conversation at this p