. >> overcommanded us. >> rose: talk about that piece and what you saw in it and what did it tell you. because you said there is a disirches in a dog and a cat. >> yeah. >> rose: and barack obama is a cat. >> yeah. so dogs bound into situations and cats hang back. and so-- . >> rose: and so george w. bush, he was 43. >> to the extreme. >> rose: and barack obama. >> we fit both extremes. >> rose: it is more than that. do you talk about how they come to their own sense of self and what kind of comeum they reach out to and how much of it is own decision making apart from the group. >> yeah. so i-- it's funny. i had a strange reaction to gold brerg's piece. the first reaction was positive. i liked the president more. because he is thoughtful and there is a consistency. you can agree or disagree. i think he looks for every reason not to take action abroad. but there's a reckoning with reality. but the distain for the establishment and the disdain for all foreign policy, i think except for himself, does smack of an you know -- unearned confidence at times. and so i do doubt that. i-- it is