overmann, why are the v.a.'s mega-project stuck the project model and what problems does that create? >> certainly based on my experience that the white house working on delivery, i do think the key problem is what has been indicated by my fellow panelists which is this model of starting by trying to project over very extensive timelines what the ultimate end product is, all its functionality and gathering those requirements, handing them off to a vendor and hoping that five to 10 years down the line, cha is implemented or provided back if it is provided back works. if you think 10 years back like cell phones, for example. how much have cell phones changed in 10 years? it is almost certainly not going to be -- i do want to emphasize. i appreciate ms. harris's obviously extensive expertise in the space but a key component of this making the v.a. successful is obviously the more technical piece but having this internal capacity, these product development teams to oversee these projects so that there is a single ow

miss overmann, why are they v.a. megaprojects stuck in the project model and what problems does that create? >> based on my experience at the white house working on delivering implementation, i think the key problem is what has been indicated by my fellow panelists which is this model of starting by trying to project over extensive timelines what the ultimate end product is, all of its functionality, gathering those requirements, handing them off to a vendor, and then hoping five to 10 years down the line what is implement it or provided back -- implemented or provided back actually works. i think there are a couple of fundamental challenges with that. if you think 10 years back, cell for example, how much have cell phones changed in 10 years? how much have user needs changed over time? the fundamental approach of the waterfall megaproject is destined to fail even if a vendor perfectly implements all the requirements. i appreciate ms. harris' extensive expertise in this space. i think a key component of making the be