one with a young girl who you couldn't quite be sure if she was a girl or a boy, and he got a real overspill of letters on not so much on that he should have been clear about the gender, but what was he doing making a girl look so sloppy? or what was he doing making a boy look so connected to girlish things, which i--i find fascinating. c-span: how many biographies have been written about norman rockwell? >> guest: in the conventional sense of a kind of soup-to-nuts biography, this is the first one. there are several partial stories, and he wrote an autobiography in 1959. c-span: how did you go about doing this? >> guest: well, when i became very serious about it and realized i was determined this was a life i wanted to pursue wrote his middle son, tom rockwell, and said, 'could we meet?' and expecting that this would be a drawn-out, yearlong process because often it is when you're trying to get the family's cooperation. and to my shock, i got an immediate response , 'come up and see me in poughkeepsie, new york.' so... c-span: what--what's he doing? >> guest: he's a writer of children's boo