put into the tax code in 1986 overcoming the lobbyists have been put back in, you know have been overwhelmeda by the day in, day o lobbying to get those tax provisions right back into place. >> quite a cycle. i mean, if you're creating a winner-take-all economy, the winners have more money to contribute to the politicians, who turn it into a a winner-take-all politics. imean it just keepsme -- >> right. >> the stories that we try to tell in this book. that there has been a 30-year war in which the sound of the voice of ordinary americans has been quieter and quieter in american politics and the voice of business and the wealthy has been louder and louder. many people, i think, read this book and think it's a pessimistic book. that it's grim readin and there are wa ways in which that's true but jacob and i genuinely believe it's an optimistic story compared with the story that we're typically told about what has en happening to the american economy because what we're typically told is, there is nothing that you can do about this. thathat's justth an econom a reality. there's no point in blamin