and raymond offenhauser is the president of oxfam america. sorry for typos here. what did you see in sudan that persuaded you again of the importance of controlling the weapons that are contributing to this continuing violence? >> well what i saw in sudan in south sudan specifically was a almost i think out of a hollywood movie, where you have young boys with ak-47 and girls of my own daughter's age, nursing their babies with an ak-47 on the side. that, the vision of that, it was extremely shocking and given the fact that i myself am from west africa, experience in my early days civil war in my country, it's a vivid reminder of what i could, i could have become myself. >> and that experience, your own experience and your own family, inspires you to want to do something about this aspect of continuing violence. >> absolutely. i mean we really need to you know, champion our president obama to really strongly you know, impose a treaty, an arms treaty here. and i would absolutely help, all of those developed countries in africa to you know, avoid conflict. >> where ar