were trying to attain that before athletic glory, that foundational influence set me up for that moment where those parallel roads of going to oxforda road scholar, only 32 people get them every year, prestigious award versus the national football league, coming off great and all-american type season at florida state university. >> shannon: you were working hard at everything you were doing around the clock, showing up early, staying late, doing work on your own time, looking for mentors, this wasn't mistaken success, these were hard choices. >> absolutely, i think football, that growth and that experience that i had and failure, getting knocked down, getting back up, playing the next play, overcoming adversity, tough coaching, i use those principles to be a better husband, father and neurosurgeon, taking care of patients by coaching, pressure, mitigating pressure, adapting in tough situations, being able to prepare through mri, ct scans and x-rays prior to getting in the operating room to have plan a, b, c and d if the first ones go wrong. football was a great preparation, that chapter is over, now moving into medicine and being a