companies marketed oxycontin to a large population. >> there is no doubt they played a role. when you look at how many substances were marketed and pushed into west virginia when our population is one of the smallest in the united states. >> slowly but surely, people began to be addicted to miracle drugs. people began became so dependent on them, they did horrible things. >> i literally ran over my x-husband's arm. iran over his arm -- i ran over his arm so it looked like he got hurt so we could get painkillers. >> the government began to realize the issue and took away drugs like oxycontin. the elimination of these drugs did not help solve this problem whatsoever. people looked to the next cheapest option for their fix, heroin. while local government and marketing played a huge role in the addiction epidemic, coal production also affect the prices. >> we are such an economy that is based on coal. a person goes for making $80,000 a year as a good coal miner all of a sudden loses his job. completely >> recreational or extermination or extermination will use of drugs can also c

it is easier to get people off of heroin than oxycontin, much easier, because those molecules in oxycontin are really designed to hold on to the receptors. heroine is natural for the most part. >> heroin has been around for so long that they have been able to manage heroine. you have heroin addicts who live 50, 60, 70 years. the problem with the opiates we have now is that there is no understanding of them, right? let's get another question. since you answered -- honestly answered the question. [laughter] >> i guess anyone can respond to this, but using the tobacco industry, like falling out of power in the past, and not having as much of an influence over government, do you think something similar as possible -- is possible with the pharmaceutical industry? do you think it is related to education like you talked about before? do you think it applies to the greater national level and i guess that certain level of government? >> tobacco kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, and it is still legal, so i'm not sure. the people most addicted to tobacco are those in the legislatures who

on 300 milligrams at least of oxycontin a day. if scared right now because this happened to be taken away from me, there is only one alternative to that, and that because i am in very serious pain constantly. that is my concern. i have never used street drugs in my life. i never even knew of a pain pill before i got hurt. this started coming up, it is really scary because if i lose my doctor, which he is an elderly doctor, i don't know what my options would be except death. guest: wow. what we haveechoes been talking about, that there is fear among people who take these medications legitimately. that is one of many lessons of what is going on now is that the pendulum should not swing too far to the other side. arguably in the early 1990's, doctors were becoming more aware of treating nonmalignant pain, that is noncancer pain. i think there was something to that. there is a movement to be more attentive to patients with different kind of pain. that ended up contribute into the problem that we have now, and i worry that we might go

on 300 milligrams at least of oxycontin a day. if scared right now because this happened to be taken away from me, there is only one alternative to that, and that because i am in very serious pain constantly. that is my concern. i have never used street drugs in my life. i never even knew of a pain pill before i got hurt. this started coming up, it is really scary because if i lose my doctor, which he is an elderly doctor, i don't know what my options would be except death. guest: wow. what we haveechoes been talking about, that there is fear among people who take these medications legitimately. that is one of many lessons of what is going on now is that the pendulum should not swing too far to the other side. arguably in the early 1990's, doctors were becoming more aware of treating nonmalignant pain, that is noncancer pain. i think there was something to that. there is a movement to be more attentive to patients with different kind of pain. that ended up contribute into the problem that we have now, and i worry that we might go

>> the lion share of their businesses of purdue farms business is in oxycontin. >> tucker: 30 secondseft, if you could do one thing to stop this, not to treat the people currently addicted, but to become people more addicted, what it would be? >> i think there is a big problem with fentanyl, which is an artificial opio that can be made from a lab coming in from china and mexico. i think that things can be done to interdict it. >> tucker: and that is the deadliest of all the opioids and derivatives? >> it's about 50 times as strong as normal heroin. and dealers like to cut it by a factor of 50 so it's normal. but they don't always do a good job, and so is highly unpredictable. and it leads to a lot of overdoses. >> tucker: christopher caldwell, the piece is "american carnage." it's on our facebook page. thank you la for joining us. >> thank you. >> tucker: cap next, the watchmen magazine says the attack on syria was equally offensive to native americans. you can't even imagine why? so stay tuned, so we will tell >> tucker: if you find hillary clinton to be corrupt, phony, immoral, perh

pharmaceutical companies launched aggressive campaigns promoting paro from ads like vicodin and oxycontin. there was movement to name pain is the fifth vital sign. >> nobody had done long-term studies. on treating chronic pain with opioids. there was nothing in the literature. >> you can't overstate the pressures put on young physicians in the late '80s and early '90s to treat pain. >> dr. michael dacey is the president and coo of this rhode island hospital. dr. daisy says the medical community was misled but it shares responsibility for this deadly scourge. it's because you have a culmination of people trying to do the right thing. at the same time as these more potent, newer forms of narcotics like oxycontin came along and were marketed as initially being not as addictive. turns out they were at least as addictive. you have this perfect storm coming together, and as physicians, we own a piece of expert >> in upstate new york, the opioid epidemic forest syracuse behavioral health care to expand its facilities. >> we are serving over 900 patients. that's not enough. we are bursting at the

. >> she popped her first pain killer at 12 and was shooting up oxycontin by 15.cars on her wrist still show the needle marks nine years after she turned her life around and became an addiction counselor. she describes the euphoric sensation that opioids like oxycontin's produce. >> your body just gets a warm sensation that makes everything in the world so much better. even though you don't realize you're destroying everything in your life. >> and the withdrawal? >> you lie in bed and you shake and you feel like you could cut your legs up or your arms off and it would feel better. >> a patient's pathological need to end that pain has led to what some unethical pharmacists took advantage of. >> they would have assistance to make assistants literally did a pro forma evaluation and just ran them through and then would fax the prescription or even just the name of the person, in some instances, to the selected pharmacy. >> the prescription almost always would be for 30 pills or more. any less, and patient might not get addicted. doctors would receive a financial cut f

oxycontin. [ laughter and applause ] >> steve: oh, judges? judges? [ buzzer ] very close.cific with your narcotic. [ light laughter ] >> jimmy: very close, very close -- >> steve: jimmy, what did you say? >> jimmy: i think i know what it is. i think -- i really -- i think i got this correct. so you might as well go -- >> steve: all right, sienna, what did you say? >> i'm -- it's not -- i wrote chocolate. >> steve: chocolate, all right, what type of chocolate? it's a chocolate what? >> jimmy: what? [ laughter ] >> i -- i -- honestly -- i don't -- >> steve: all right. i'm sorry. judges? [ buzzer ] >> oh! >> steve: jimmy? >> jimmy: i'm going to say, burnt popcorn. >> steve: oh, you are wrong. [ buzzer ] it is an oreo cookie. it is an oreo. [ cheers and applause ] or in england, a banger and pop. did you taste the oreo? >> no! >> steve: not a hydrox. >> jimmy: yeah, yeah. i taste it now. >> not really. >> steve: it's an oreo. >> jimmy: that's a good flavor of oreo, though, burnt popcorn. >> it's a burnt -- it's a burnt oreo. >> jimmy: it's a burnt oreo. >> steve: an oxycontin

. >> reporter: especially if you're talking about left over narcotic painkillers such as oxycontin, percocet or vicodin. prescription to sleep aids like a. ambien is problematic. >> you want to make sure medication s are secure, locked away or hidden, out of kids' reach. >> over the counter medicines can also be an issue, particularly if things look and taste like candy. so, take care with what you keep on hand. a new nationally representative consumer report survey found 19% of people hadn't cleaned out their medicine cabinet in more than three years. national prescription drug take back day on april 29th is the perfect time to turn in left-over and expired medication for safe disposal. if you do throw them out, be sure to remove any personal information from the bottle first, and mixx the drugs with something unappealing, like coffee grounds or kitty litter before ceiling a plastic bag and tossing away. >> a consumer report says getting rid of any unused medications also removes the temptation of knowsy maybes or even teenagers who may come across the pills and take them. we talked about t

. >> i put xanax and cocaine and heroin, amphetamines and oxycontin in the same needle and shot it. >all in the same rig. that's crazy. >> i don't know how to describe that kind of high. have you ever shot vodka? >> no. >> he was on probation for a burglary conviction when he tested positive for drugs in the second jail. he was admitted to the drug rehab center but has been through numerous other programs since age 14. >> this is my first time in jail, and it sucks. it really sucks. i don't want to come back to jail again. the way i was doing drugs, if i go back out, the next time i stick a needle in my arm, i'm going to die. my mother's afraid she's going to bury me. i know that for a fact. and my dad just -- my dad's almost given up on me. that's why i'm really -- i'm just sick and tired of being sick and tired. >> he has a lot of problems. i tell him that. he knows that. he's been through a lot. 21 years old. i haven't been through any of that. i wish him the best. [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> translator: today the vice president and i shared the view that on the basis of

the more potent forms of oxycontin that were marketed as being not as addictive.o you had a perfect storm coming together and we own a piece of this. >> we serve a couple hundred patients. now we are serving over 900. that isn't enough. we are literally bursting at the seams. reporter: the ceo says if addicts don't get immediate treatment, they will die. >> we don't debate whether or not someone with chest pain would likely die if they don't get into an emergency room. we don't debate whether someone with diabetes would die and when. sometimes people want to debate those things. and the reality is the debate is over. 52,000 in 2015. that's more than car crashes and gun homicides combined. oap oids kill 91 mayor dance every single day. nathan got hooked on oxy after surgery and moved on to heroin. in and out of rehab for 10 years. >> why didn't it work the first time and second time? >> i didn't think i could do it. i loved it. it was my everything. i love it more than my family, more than my jobs, my friends, my girlfriends at the time. reporter: he's been sober f

that was before oxycontin.atory framework that worked a century ago is not adequate to address the problem of prescription painkillers. a government that was acted to protect its citizens from narcotics now subsidizes addiction. through medicaid and the va. governments have made -- companies have made billions, meanwhile drug overdoses have overtaken car accidents this as the main death among young people. that's never happened before in american history. some have argued the real problem here is demand. americans want drugs and you can't blame that on the suppliers, whether they are mexicans cartels were legal drug companies. keep in mind that people who buy opiates don't function like normal consumers. opioids are physically addictive, they challenge the notion of free will. addicts are not choosing to use, they simply can't stop. congress saved lives by it clamping down on the supply of opiates. it works and there is evidence it again. the cofounder of compassion for addiction, he says the culprit in the que

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two thirds of the people who participated in the survey say common opioid drugs like as vicodin or oxycontinare "riskier" to use than pot. an over- whelming 83% say pot should be legal for medical use. but they were less comfortable with children and pregnant women using pot to treat medical conditions. the fda has since directed doctors to prescribe fewer pain- killers to patients. and last month, president trump appointed an opioid commission to look into the heroin epidemic. (pam) so many people like coffee, but hate when it stains their teeth. well, a new brew may be your answer. this is c-l-r c-f-f... its british- based creators say, it is the first colorless coffee on the market. the coffee is made from arabica coffee beans and pure water. it's unclear what is going into these drinks... they have yet to release a full ingredient list. the company says the transparent coffee will do wonders for your teeth, as the dark color of other coffees tend to stain those pearly whites. the coffee is available for puchase online at c-l-r-c-f-f dot com, but it's not cheap. a two-pack costs about sev

unfortunate to be one of those paintients, you're goi to be prescribed either a traditional opiod, like oxycontinsociated with those drugs, or a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug with rather debilitating side effects. >> have there been areas in the body in pain besides some of them that you're working on now that it could work on? >> by virtue of the mechanic, this can be particularly useful in inflammatory pain, we find those receptors in immune cells, we find them in joint cells and we're running a trial osteoarthritis pain. >> could you raise enough money to be able to get through these trials? we have learned something that starts the show. trials can take years and years. do you have enough money to go through to the end? >> it was a 52-week high, great for investors, great for shareholders. we can take nef frits. we can take that all the way to new drug applications. so this covers at least two of the possib the possible wavers we hope to get for this medication. unlike pain where we have some current medications that have some efficacy, but have some side effects. some 20 million patien

. >> reporter: especially if you're talking about leftover narcotic painkillers such as oxycontin, percocet or vicodin. and xanex is also problematic. >> you want to make sure medications like these are secure, locked away or well hidden, just outside of kids' reach. >> reporter: over-the-counter medications are an issue, particularly, ones that look and taste like candy. if you can't drop off the unwanted drugs this saturday, here's how to safely dispose of them. remove personal information from the bottle first. then mix the drugs with something unappealing like coffee grounds or kitty litter. seal it in a plastic bag and toss it in the car badge. do you want to know where to drop off the drugs this saturday? open up drug pick up day on the website. >>> and a man who was shot walked himself into the hospital last night and told police where the shooting we have since learned the man is in stable condition. here's footage from the scene. the investigators had the area between p and o streets blocked off. an suv there has a bullet hole in it. >>> and we are talking about the massive fire ne

. >> reporter: especially if you're talking about leftover narcotic painkillers such as oxycontin, percocetnd anti-anxiety medications like xanex are also problematic. >> you want to make sure the medications are locked away or well-hidden just outside of kids' reach. >> reporter: over-the-counter medications can be an issue, ones that look and taste like candy. if you can't drop off the unwanted drugs on saturday, here's how to safely dispose of them. remove any personal information from the bottle first. then mix the drugs with something unappealing like coffee grounds or kitty litter. seal it in a plastic bag and toss it in the garbage. just open up the nbc washington app and search drug take back day. back to you. >>> and a shooting investigation blocked a very busy section of roadway. the man was able to walk into a hospital last night to tell police where the shooting happened. we learned that the man is in stable condition. right now you are looking at footage from the scene. the investigators had the area between p and o streets blocked off and surrounded an suv that in it. >>> it i

prescribing which was a result in a multifaceted campaign underwritten largely by pharma the major of oxycontinwhat that campaign it did was it to minimize the risk of opioids like the risk of addiction and exaggerated the benefits of using opioids long term. the medical community began to hear that we had been allowing patients to suffer needlessly because of an fear of addiction, that's a compassionate way to treat just about any complaint of pain. it led to a public health catastrophe print >> tucker: i've noticed it just seems like a legal drug dealing to me. thanks a lot for coming on tonight. up next, students at one university say they don't want to want to check fillet on because it would make them feel unsafe. because they're going to starve to death when it closes on sunday? sunday? could there be the following ad is being condensed for your viewing convenience. i finally switched to geico. oh yeah? ended up saving a ton of money on car insurance. i hear they have a really great mobile app. the interface is remarkably intuitive. that's so important. ♪ >> there are a lot of people you

the amount of people who have died from oxycontin and other opioid drugs aside from heroin.ore people have died of overdoses from the pills than heroin this year. as not a nation builder. so did george bush. what happened there? we are still over there. as far as i'm concerned, donald trump is a charlatan. he should be thrown back into syria or russia with his best buddy. have a good day. goodbye. host: dante is calling it from port saint lucie, florida, on our independent line. what are your thoughts? caller: good morning, c-span. lythgoe back to last administration. the administration before that. how about the clintons? they bombed our embassy in nairobi and then tanzania then kenya. all unacceptable. they went over there and came back with a report and told us how many people died. did nothing about it. then, the clinton administration bombed the world trade center. they did not do anything. then, they bomb uss cole. they still do not do anything. a clear act of war. look at the administration now. the last administration. clinton and her private server. you don't think

prescribing which was a result in a multifaceted campaign underwritten largely by pharma the major of oxycontinmpaign it did was it to minimize the risk of opioids like the risk of addiction and exaggerated the benefits of using opioids long term. the medical community began to hear that we had been allowing patients to suffer needlessly because of an fear of addiction, that's a compassionate way to treat just about any complaint of pain. it led to a public health catastrophe print >> tucker: i've noticed it just seems like a legal drug dealing to me. thanks a lot for coming on tonight. up next, students at one university say they don't want to want to check fillet on because it would make them feel unsafe. because they're going to starve to death when it closes on sunday? could there be another reason, our panel next we've done well in life, with help from our advisor, we made it through many market swings. sure we could travel, take it easy... but we've never been the type to just sit back... not when we've got so much more to give when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilli

. >> reporter: especially if you're talking about leftover narcotic painkillers such as oxycontin, perk and vicodin. ambien and anti-anxiety medications like texxanax are a problematic. >> make sure the medications are secure, either locked away or well hidden, just out of kids's reach. >> reporter: over-the-counter medications can also be an issue, particularly ones that look and taste just like candy. if you can't drop off your unwanted drugs this saturday, here's how to safely dispose of them. be sure to remove any personal information from the bottle first. then mix the drugs with something coffee grounds or kitty litter. seal it in a plastic bag and toss it in the garbage. >> consumer reports says getting rid of any unused medication also removes the temptation of nosey neighbors or teens who may come across the pills and take them. so you want to know where to drop off your drugs this saturday, open up the nbc washington app and search drug takeback day. jim? >> susan, thank you. >>> access to insulin could mean life or death for millions of americans who have diabetes. but prices

prescribing which was a result in a multifaceted campaign underwritten largely by pharma the major of oxycontinthat campaign it did was it minimize the risk of opioids like the risk of addiction and exaggerated the benefits of using opioids long term. the medical community began to hear that we had been allowing patients to suffer needlessly because of an fear of addiction, that's a compassionate way to treat just about any complaint of pain. it led to a public health catastrophe. >> tucker: i've noticed it just seems like a legal drug dealing to me. thanks a lot for coming on tonight. up next, students at one university say they don't want chikfila on their campus because it would make them feel unsafe. they're going to starve to death when it closes on sunday? could there be another reason, our panel next all of our property that was damaged. and we didn't have to touch our savings. yeah, our insurance won't do that. well, there goes my boat. you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance we're out ink,nk! not ink. printing doesn't

. >> msnbc political analyst steve schmidt who likens me or the look of me to oxycontin. >> notue. >>you're a trigger. >> when he sees mika, he takes oxycontin. >> when i was recovering, when the show came on, it was time for pain relief and i looked forward to that every -- >> it was like a drinking game. >> exactly. >> when the show came on -- >> at 4:00 am mountain time. >> that would be "morning joe." that's sort of how i feel about it. columnist and associate editor for "the washington post" david ignatius. >> and associated editor for "the washington post" and political analyst eugene robinson. steve schmidt we start out with this marist poll that mark halperin tried to work. >> was not successful. >> gallup poll had trump going from 54 to 41% this week. it seems to be an upward direction for the most part. there's still issues of trust. there's still a concern about him being erratic. but what has this last week -- we've been trying to figure out exactly what's happened over the past seven days and what it means. what does it mean to you? >> as we near the end of the first 100

comes this new yahoo survey that says two thirds of us say common opioid drugs like as vicodin or oxycontinpot, even when the pain pills are prescribed by a doctor. as we've been reporting on kron4 news... some two million americans are hooked on opioids and that can lead to heroin... it's in our schools and our neighborhoods. and every day, prescription pain-killers or heroin kill 91 people. many many more over-dose and are brought back from the brink of death. so, it's no surprise that people are concerned about prescription pill-popping. in that survey - onlyone in five believe pot is riskier than opioids. an over-whelming 83% say pot should be legal for medical use. but they were less comfortable with children and pregnant women using pot to treat medical conditions. the fda has since directed doctors to prescribe fewer pain-killers to patients. and last month, president trump appointed an opioid commission to look into the heroin epidemic. vicki liviakis kron 4 news ( steve ) a new and innovative way of growing food without using dirt has carved a niche in california's central valley.(

fentanyl is not a replacement drug for heroin or oxycontin. 2 to 3 milligrams can kill an individual, and has. added into cocaine or heroin to boost the likelihood of an addiction. those taking these drugs may not know that they are taking fentanyl, linda known what it is -- let alone what it is. and 2015 in oregon, 49 people died from fentanyl. the number of deaths appear to be rising. that is just what we know. as we work to combat this threat, there is an important question to ask, how can we find this threat when we don't know how quickly it is spreading? threatng the fentanyl will require more than strategies on overprescribing. fentanyl is a global problem that requires an urgent response. i commend our government efforts for their success in gaining cooperation with china andt he united nations. we need to support this international engagement to be successful. requires anntanyl all hands on deck effort. we have to think outside of the box. i look forward to your testimony in solving this problem. d peeled the balance -- i yiel the balance of my time. >> thank you mr. chairman.

that is taking place among many older americans that have turned from oxycontin and other substances.n fact, a former governor of new hampshire will testify here of the release of your aspects of this. what many have called an epidemic. i'm very interested of your and taking into fundamental economics that if there is demand, there is supplied. what is your view of the situation? it istart off by saying, amazing to me. i just found out recently that an old friend, who is not so old, 62 years old, just after a successful life overdosed on heroin. to your point, it is cheaper and more available in many ways since she could not get a .rescription 100% of the heroin that we consume is produced in mexico. it is creeping down into america. they have responded. the cartels and networks have responded to the demand. instead of asia and south asia, it is all produced here in america. coffee is grown as far south as guatemala. it looks that pharmaceuticals are produced in mexico and then brought up through the border. part of the problem, i think, and this would be outside my particular area, b

that is taking place among many older americans that have turned from oxycontin and other substances. in fact, a former governor of new hampshire will testify here of the really severe aspects of this. what many have called an epidemic. i am very interested in your views and taking into fundamental economics that if there is a demand, there is going to be a supply. what is your view of the situation, general? gen. kelly: i will start off by saying, it is amazing to me. i just found out recently that an old friend, who is not so old, 62 years old, just after a successful life, overdosed on heroin. to your point, it is cheaper and more available in many ways than some of the opioids, since she could not get a prescription for what she thought she needed. the point is that most americans don't realize it, but 100% of the heroin that we consume in the united states is produced in mexico. it is creeping down into central america. they have responded, the cartels and networks, have responded to the demand. asia,d of asia and south it is all produced here in the western hemisphere. poppies a

that is taking place among many older americans that have turned from oxycontin and other substances. in fact, a former governor of new hampshire will testify here of the really severe aspects of this. what many have called an epidemic. i am very interested in your views and taking into fundamental economics that if there is a demand, there is going to be a supply. what is your view of the situation, general? gen. kelly: i will start off by saying, it is amazing to me. i just found out recently that an old friend, who is not so old, 62 years old, just after a successful life, overdosed on heroin. i think it to your point, it is cheaper and more available in many ways than some of the other opioids, since she could not get a prescription for what she thought she needed. most americans don't realize it, but 100% of the heroin that we consume in the united states is produced in mexico. it is creeping down into central america. they have responded, the cartels and networks, have responded to the demand. instead of asia and south asia, it is all produced in the western hemisphere. poppies

the fda approved of oxycontin by adolescents despite the fact that the advisory committee expressed graveeservations about that. you and i chatted about this yesterday. i'd like to hear you talk about in your leadership of the fda should you be confirmed what would be your strategy for taking on this challenge that the fda has been somewhat complicit in even if unwittingly in the past. >> thank you for the question. i enjoyed our discussion yesterday. i think this is a staggering human tragedy that as i said at the outset that's going to require dramatic action on the part of the agency. it's going be an all of the above approach. there's a number of things we can do. i feel i have a bipartisan mandate through my discussions with this committee to try to push the agency to look harder at what the right framework should be and so to give you some examples, fda does take on as part of its review process the mandate for looking at the potential for abuse and diversion as a component of the approval process. i think we need to ask hard questions whether or not the agency has the adequate auth

. >> they took away drugs like oxycontin. the elimination of the drugs did not help to solve the struggle. people just looked into the next cheapest option, heroin. marketingrnment and lady huge role in the epidemic poverty and dear -- deterioration also heavily affected the current heroin crisis. economy and a an person i goes from making $80,000 a year as a co-minor all of a sudden loses his job, his income is gone. >> recreational or experimental use of drugs can also cause of action. >> i think it started out with and i'm sure a lot of people can use marijuana and they can stop. from there it went to pills. then the physical back pain and that was callous for an addiction. >> i couldn't get to quit no matter what i could do. >> it was a pretty disposition to addiction. >> this runs in my family. some folks are genetically predisposed to have dependency issues. to it hit a 15 2006 staggering peak. 28 people overdosed on heroin in just over four hours. luckily, there were only two deaths as first responders helped. most exp