pull ozone-depleting substances out of the p.s.d. program and that's significant because they did -- >> i thought there was a very short time lag between e.p.a.'s assertion of the authority to regulate ozone-depleting substances -- >> years. i don't know if it was a full two years but the congress focused specifically on exactly lou the ozone-depleting substances were going to be regulated. so i do think it's quite strong ratification argue -- argument and -- >> what's the -- i know where they're going to take this question. you are going to lose. >> i actually think that it's the judge cavanaugh approach and a.c.c. approach. >> there is a significant dwiffers -- difference between them. >> there settlement >> which one? >> i have another thought on that subject. as i said earlier, the whole problem in terms of expanding the permitting requirement is co 2. and so if the court were to say that any air pollutant can't be interpreted in the way that e.p.a. has interpreted it at the trigger level to mean what we think it says, what massa

pull ozone-depleting substances out of the p.s.d. program and that's significant because they did -- >> i thought there was a very short time lag between e.p.a.'s assertion of the authority to regular late ozone-depleting substances -- >> years. i don't know if it was a full two years but the congress focused specifically on exactly lou the ozone-depleting substances were going to be regulated. so i do think it's quite strong ratification argue -- argument and -- >> what's the -- i know where they're going to take this question. you are going to lose. >> i actually think that it's the judge cavanaugh approach and a.c.c. approach. >> there is a significant dwiffers -- difference between them. >> there settlement >> which one? >> i have another thought on that subject. as i said earlier, the whole problem in terms of expanding the permitting requirement is co 2. and so if the court were to say that any air pollutant can't be interpreted in the way that e.p.a. has interpreted it at the trigger level to mean what we think it says, what m

this is the on the ozone standard. it's my understanding that epa staff has recommended a review a stand as low as 60 parts per billion. i can remember during the bush administration it was 80 parts, and then we went down to some 60 parts. behind me you see him out on what would happen if the united states, is the standard were lowered to that level. we're talking 60 parts per billion to nearly every county would be out of attainment, certainly all the counties in my state of oklahoma. if you will notice, even the grand canyon area. if this happened, businesses would not be able to expand. it would essentially close the whole nation for business and result in millions of job losses. do you think lowering the next standard would impose things on it, that are just not acceptable? >> we are in the middle of the sites process. i would rather not speak but in the outcome of the ozone standard. >> i'll give you a hypothetical. if it should come to 60 common i don't think you can refute the accuracy of these charts. would you

nightly newscasts and morning papers are filled with stories about ozone depletion, water and air pollution, and toxic waste in our neighborhoods. while these problems may seem not to affect us personally, we cannot ignore the health hazards that come with living on an interconnected planet. the environment is a crucial factor in the health of each of us. if the environment is not healthy, there is no way we can truly call ourselves healthy. persistent efforts and regulation over the last few decades have greatly reduced environmental pollution. ib: our rivers don't catch on fire anymore. persistent efforts and regulation over the last few decades we don't have big, black plumes in most communities in america. we don't see slicks going down the great lakes. so people believe, because they don't see it, that, somehow, we're in a better state now than we ever were before, and the truth is, that all we've done is cosmetic surgery. we have scraped off the surface and made that look pretty, but beneath it are the invisible chemicals that are getting into our food supply, our water supply and our

meeting.oing to be this will be on the ozone standard. it is my understanding that they recommend a do this as low as 60 parts per billion. and then we went down 60 parts. ifind me you will see a map these were lowered to that level. we talked about 60 parts per billion. never the every county would be out. notice, even the grand canyon area. it did result in millions of job losses. notou think this was acceptable? >> we are in the middle of the process. i would rather not speak of any outcome. >> i will give you a happy medical. 60, i dould come to not think you can refute the efficacy of these charts, would you find it to be an acceptable? established. >> this is the problem. i've lived with this for several years. about the cost of these things. people out there are hurting. wassenator from new jersey saying where i disagreed with him. i think all of these regulations are going to cost the poor more than the more affluent people. percentage ofgher their income on heating their homes. do you think it is right that we should do that? thi

. >> the suspect walks up to the counter, sees the clerk, turns away, ozone a weapon and shoot her in the head. two shots at close range. somehow, the wife and mother of three survived. >> she is in serious condition but she is stabilized and they expect her to recover. >> a miracle to coworkers. she has worked the overnight shift for years. >> they are really nice people. >> picked -- police are stumped for a motive. he did not take the cash drawer, just this box. the goateed white male weighs callouslypounds and pulled the trigger. residents are understandably nervous. >> just a random girl buying cigarettes? how did that work out? >> that will be part of the investigative buses. >> the mart did not have cameras outside. it is unclear how he got away. clear is a murderer is on the run. >> we need the public's help in identifying this man. >> the shooter is between 25-35 years old according to investigators. they have received several tips but no arrests. they ask that you exercise caution if you know or see be suspect. ey say do not approach them. call 911. the latest in the newsroo

. >> i take it that the sort of ozone pollutants are not area specific. would your interpretation at who does? trucks if the epa could not make an -- >> if the epa could not make a regulatory finding -- >> can i ask a follow-up? that to me is the quintessential ambiguity and a statute where we give deference to the agency. if your side cannot even come to one interpretation, why shouldn't we defer to the agency? >> the deference is always subject to reasonable interpretations. >> all it says as i understand it -- other than that you review there are too many people it is regulating -- is that we cannot implement it immediately. it hasn't said with streamlining and other adjustments, it cannot do this. it just as we can't do it right away. >> i would like to roof -- explain a deeper problem and then address why it is the only correct interpretation. >> kenley clarify whether you agree with the dissenting -- can we clarify whether you agree with the dissenting judges on the d c circuit? you've got a footnote saying there are a lot of differences. your reply

the united states led the world when nations came together to phase out ozone-depleting chemicals. acid rain diminishes each year thanks to a pioneering market-based emissions trading system adopted under the first president bush in 1990, and despite critics warning, our economy continued to grow. climate change puts all our progress and our successes at risk. it says what you said, senator, and what so many others. the climate change puts all of our successes and our communities like toms river, like cape may town, puts all of our communities at risk. if we could articulate one framework for successful governance, perhaps it should be this -- when confronted with a problem, deal with it. look at the facts, cut through the extraneous device and devise a workable solution and get it done. we can have both a strong economy and a livable climate. all parties know that we need both. the rest of the discussion is either detail which we can resolve or purposeful delay which we should not tolerate. mr. obama's plan is just a start. more will be required, but we must continue efforts to re

one thing they did was specifically address ozone-depleting substances.they created a new title vi for ozone-depleting substances, so they were clearly focused on it. and they did not pull ozone-depleting substances out of the psd program at that time. they left them in. and that's significant because they did pull out hazardous air pollution air pollutants, which was another new category they created in 1990 for the psd program. >> i thought there was a very short time lag between epa's assertion of the authority to regulate the ozone-depleting substances under the psd program and the enactment of -- >> 2 years. it was 2 years. >> so was it a full 2 years? >> i don't know if it was a full 2 years, but the congress focused specifically on exactly how ozone-depleting substances were going to be regulated under the clean air act, and they created a new -- they were it's not an accident. they were focused exactly on how they were going to be regulated. so i do think so i do think it's quite a strong ratification argument. >> i know litigants hate this questi

three people died yesterday when they were smothered by a wall of mud near the town of ozone. rescuers say they have been hearing voices pleading for help underneath the mountain of mud, rocks and trees. >> i saw the darkness, like somebody wants to grab you from the -- and everything was gone, like three seconds. >> the snohomish county sheriff says now at daybreak, researchers will resume the air rescue effort. an entire valley is under an evacuation order because the landslide damned a -- dammed a river. >>> today france provided satellite pictures of objects that may be from the missing malaysia airlines jetliner. focused on a remote area of the southern indian ocean this morning. now malaysia's ministry of transport confirms it has new images from france taken from the same area as earlier pictures by other satellites. the newest photos have been forwarded to australia which is coordinating the search for flight 370. the plane disappeared on march 18th. >>> in the latest developments in ukraine, the country's acting president says the top air force commander is being held

and all kinds with ozone. resorts. don't do the tests and disobey and so on to un estimates of when this stuff. he's the most to me. this is going to eliminate any doubt why don't i. a witness to rely on the colors of the mass media now on. you can crow proceeding to promote books and sprayed disseminate knowledge to help out with people it's weird to not know if he could go to concerts so that's the way to create atmosphere that these are beneficial to both ourselves and others. we must behave ourselves. not to smoke in places. begin. so. we should get more attention to the spa thank you. the goal forgotten. she hasn't it bush aides to the park but they teach you. it starts two weeks already. when the ep from it. i think she thought they knew that i plan to get them to our youth as he gets into what can and eager to watch a student committee to attend the cash he said. i'm tortured to death. cathay to get to this issue indictments and so preachy about to get them made up and going in cold. we talked i take you into th

the studio so after listening to use all of us apartment or two of the workers' party this byzantine ozone could hold a similar position. so what her name was announced north train experts speculate that some young some old replace her antics and onion taken care of transcendence slice fonts the turnover rate of the new supreme people's assembly which has a total of six hundred eighty ninth that he's expected to be forty percent. aside from kent appointed as deputy. the rest of the results have not been announced. honey can identities. this last week the korean government on bail to sense reforms that extend to the year twenty thirty the notably include plans to trim the army and adopt a proactive deterrence strategy for more on what the reform package and tails and whether it will prove effective in the events of fresh north korean provocations your enjoyment. after a puppy that professor at the credit school of politics and leadership that can mean university. thank you very much for joining us. so professor what are some of the standout measures and strategies of this new defense reform

what has been the unions reaction and what has been japan's reaction to the unions for ozone -- to the union's proposal? question is about a 1% increase in base wages. it is not a bold demand by the union. i think a bigger number and the one that maybe gives toyota pause would be on the bonus front, which is almost seven months worth the equivalent for a bonus. and that would bring the increase more in line with what abe is looking for. be in excess of 2% increase in total pay for those workers. >> what happens if each side is not able to some -- to come to some type of resolution? usual to havend disputes between labor and management in japan. that is something that i think is worth watching. strikes are down by 99% from 1970's -- in the new in the mid-1970's. know by later this week, march 12, what the results of the negotiations will be. >> thank you for that. >> the mumbai session started 20 minutes ago. futures were down. that is essentially in line with the wider asia-pacific. the nifty on the singapore issues is up by half. satan is being affected by a equitieser price. falling

what forced out of the fact of the ball it's not even bothered to get our ozone hole has no significance to the streets of the german capital. but by police. people are being killed a fresh wave of clashes in venezuela bringing the total death toll of the protest to study for geography breaking four weeks and soaring inflation according to its activists accused authorities of spiking your position because of the discovery the protest abortion to the medical groups. oh well the faces are similar to struggle to stay with us that abortion has killed at least three ap the blues remain unaccounted for. authorities say the suspect the picture her critical security staff to the area. looks like will say this for thirty houses and forced baby back to age residents of the year the europeans protecting the right to self determination with referendums of its scope and displays them again. later this year. well this week nations joined the club voted to break away from it to the casino and said that's around two million people when they bought over the din province. gotta get a letter to the referen

he was spurred to action by the discovery of the hole in the ozone.while the montrÉal protocol was meant to save the ozone layer, there are new reports that the treaty may have been integral in slowing global warming, since some of the same chemicals causing the hole in the ozone also cause global warming. example ofave a good the kind of leadership that has come to the fore, when necessary , facing the facts of environmental regulation. the world health organization concluded that in 2012, around 7 million people died as a result of air pollution exposure. we have made improvements since the clean air act amendments of the 1990's, but there is still so much more to do to roost -- reduce the emissions of particulate matter and mercury. friend, mr. simpson, as well aware, i have tried to establish a tradition of quoting republican presidents, like abraham lincoln and teddy roosevelt, richard nixon. on the need to protect the environment. but it just has not done a whit of good. look at the bills. you listen, but you don't. not seemit really does to hav

but he was stirred by the whole in the ozone and the montreal protocol was meant to save the layer and there are evidence that it may have been not what slowed down global warming as the chemicals might have caused the global warming. we have a good leadership that faces the facts of environmental trust. a million people died as a result of air pollution exposure. we have made approvemeimproveme the clean air but there is more to do to reduce particlets and mercury. i tried to start a tradition of quoting republican presidents like nixon, roosevelt, and lincoln on the need to protect the environment. but it hasn't done a wit of good. look at the bills. anyways, it doesn't seem to have produced much in the way of divdeneds so i am going to suspend this practice. even though i have a great quote. do you want the quote? what is that chairman? >> say it. >> we stand where two roads diverge, but unlike the roads in robert frost poem, they are not equally fair. the road we have been travelling is disceeceptivdeceptively easy. we progress with spreed but it ends with disaster. the other fork

man rolling stone nicknamed the grand daddy of fake science for his theories that the whole in the ozonehuge deal, and his conclusion that cigarette smoking was pretty safe. if you believe that civil war, mass starvation and species extinction are no biggie, why not waste time sitting in an air-conditioned room in the middle of the desert listening to what massage therapists have to say about carbon dioxide. the ceo and co-founder of vice media, shane smith. good to see you. >> great to see you. >> this is singularly the most terrifying vision of the future that i have read about in, i think, maybe my lifetime. of the things that are enumerated in the report, they say that by 2100, hundreds of millions of people could be affected by coastal flooding, poverty will be exacerbated, food systems could break down, many species, this is apocalyptic, will not be able to move fast enough during 21st century to track suitable climates and therefore go extinct. >> right. >> you have done great reporting on climate change and how evidenced it is in certain parts of the world. which of those things

. >> port arthur is on epa's list of sites with dangerous ozone levels and the residents suffer from would add to those communities that are already in distress. >> joining me now hilton kelly and dave saldana, producer of "keystone pipe lies exposed." >> thank you for having me. >> i think we could see you standing next to senator boxer on capitol hill, and you were there to talk about the health impact that the keystone pipeline would have on the people of port arthur. although it seems that this is the first time we're really having that conversation. >> yes. we're really excited about this opportunity to express exactly what's going on in our community for a number of years the citizens of port arthur have been exposed to dangerous toxins. by most of the public there, it's accepted. but now we are starting to amp it up even more. port arthur should not be deemed a dumping ground for the united states or for any other country, but yet constantly we are having to deal with toxic waste from other areas, we're having to deal with the petroleum that's being processed. but now this tar

that said the county get that during the tendency is the ozone hole hole that the strike group of the population that were lifted to a vessel level and they felt profoundly loyal to chavez and therefore his successor. so the protests angst million of them. the idea of the good of the french revolution people in the street that blow across the garden is student protests against crime against corruption and it sort of morphed into something different corruption i think honestly love of latin americans the just think it's a way of life its there are serious economic problems that says what he called the dutch disease. we knew it would go to the biggest proven oil reserves in the wall. you think you can import everything and then more news when you miss manage that such an extent you don't eat dairy invest in infrastructurebt with a situation like a man in venezuela we combine took a peek on my cheek the chickens and confines email and i knew people i knew i knew it would look for that they would raise the price of petrol in the cost has its roots of this really stuffed up a colony. i mea

the ozone blocks u.v.e cancer. >> 50 dog teams are closing on the finish line of the iditarod race from anchorage to nome. >> they call it the iditarod air force, dozens of pilots with their own aircraft, carrying food, medical supplies and people to the 23 check points along the trail. the dog teams just couldn't race without air support. >> you name it, it's in there. >> is there any room for you? >> i squeeze in. fortunately, i'm small. you like small pilots, light ones, too. >> the race passes through remote, rugged country. the mushers run off anyone all night through all weather. scattered ham lets, havens of food and rest for the teams. his father won last year's race and is reviving a team while keeping up family traditions of bravado. >> i'm having the time of my life, running the best dog people i've ever run and that's when i love doing. >> taking a break here on the river, along with his dog, one of the norwegian competitors. altogether, six or seven countries are represented this year, includi

one of the most significant opportunities to address, harmful to the ozone, 1800 times worse than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. the epa recently issued a proposed rule setting the levels to 19 for the final years thof phase out. i am disappointed the epa wasn't more aggressive. given the significant existing stockpiles of virgin fc-8c the widespread availability of alternatives, why is the epa proposing an additional $90 million pounds of virgin production over the next fives years? the environmental community, key industry stakeholders have urged the epa to be more aggressive. will you take another look at the proposal and consider a more aggressive phase? >> thank you for raising the question, congresswoman. the united states is on track of meeting the phase out goal in the protocol, but we know and we have done before that we can do better all of the time. we put a proposal out in december. and the common period just closed. so we are really concerned and i am concern said about not making a judgment prior to the comments and moving forward with the final. we share your concern

i cents ozone did your plans it would cover your mammogram test? she said it would be free because it is preventive care. so i asked the lady behind the counter, it doesn't take the aca? she says we are supposed to, but it must he a breakdown in the computer talking to each other. just like this lady that called, i am assuming that is what is going on. they are probably covered. i am not war or against it -- for or against it, but i do not think the computer systems must be catching up with each other yet. they must not be synced so to speak. that was my first encounter with anybody with an aca card. i thought doubling the premiums -- before i went on medicare, on -- i was paying blue cross and .blue shield and $50 co-pay on drugs, and hundreds of dollars to go to the hospital. but now i paid $352 a month by medicare, and a good supplement, and i have a good drug coverage. last year i had $40,000 between two hospital visits, and i did not pay a dime on it yet. i'm happy with the way that medicare is that up, but i do pay a little more than i did wh

growth, and also may request you to address what , that apparently based on the findings or the the ozone-- iis mean, carbon footprint that is damaging the environment and causing typhoons not only in asia, but in other countries as well. it is being proposed that therefore, to help the developing countries for their need for energy for growth, what regarding fostering economic growth at the global level, especially developing country? >> i think there is no question that climate change threatens our economy. while you cannot tie any given event to it, we know that the events we are dealing with because of climate change are more frequent and more severe. that will only get worse. that has a whole set of costs in terms of the costs we undertake to mitigate it. the cost of the increased economic instability that it introduces. of ultimately cost in terms the damage inflicted as a result. why thehat is part of president is so focused on the issue of climate and has a economicction plan and motivation in addition to the broader motivation. >> jason, thank you very much. [applause] >> thank y

we are talking about changes in ozone, how that could put us out of attainment. all 77 of our candies could be out of attainment -- of our counties could be out of attainment. some of these things i will say for a few minutes, the ranking member on armed services, i do not have a choice. i thank you for allowing me to make that statement. >> senator, thanks, and we will be working closely together next week. we will have a meeting with the big four, and then we will start meetings with everyone individually to get you on board, because you used the word crisis, mr. lewis, and i have to share that. this is a looming crisis upon us. esteemedo back to our panel, and we will call on sue minter, deputy secretary of the vermont agency of transportation. and thank you,, chairman boxer, ranking member vitter, members of the committee. this is an honor for me to be able to speak before you today about the special issues facing small states and your opportunity with the next transportation reauthorization bill. ityou about the issues that we feel so passionately about. our

they see him flying down fremont boulevard away from your screen will ozone man.ams into the power paul catches on fire. we had a chance to talk to a witness who jumped out of 711 at that time. saw the whole thing go down. here's michael's a better view of what he saw and heard. >>: basically the car was going real fast down the road and he was probably the 100 mi. an hour. just as he got to the intersection in motorcycle was going across in front of me hit a motorcycle. >>: he was kind of zoned out for about 20 seconds and then when he came to the god of the car and ran. >>: that goes with what the police officers say that they were so far back that they did not see the impact with a motorcyclist. the top of they got out of their car chase them because he refused to stay in his car. there were walking him back to the squad car on a couple of people fled down the police officers and told him it's more than just an accident involving a power pole 3 there's a motorcyclist on the ground of that person died on the same. his name is not the released pending notificatio

they said that about fixing the ozone layer. they said that about the clean air act. they said that about the clean water act. in fact, in some cases, like the clean air act, subsequent reviews showed that the amount that's saved from not being polluted exceeds the cost of compliance by as much as 30-1. why would we not want a deal like that, particularly where the costs of climate change are going to be so severe? he said it's important to look at what's happened since the original ipcc report. here is what happened since the original ipcc report. they have doubled down. they are even more sure than they were of their findings and of the importance of climate change. other scientific organizations like noaa have chimed in in unflinching language. now, noaa, i happen to have a lot of respect for. if you can put a vehicle the size of an s.u.v. up out of our atmosphere into orbit, send it to mars, land it safely on mars and then drive it around, i think there is a pretty safe bet that you have got some good scientists who know what they're talking about, and i will put

frankly, the whole world has tested this idea because we've reduced ozone depleting pollutants based on the similar protocol but in new england we have taken on this issue. and reggi has been, frankly an unqualified success. our carbon reducing plan in new england has prevented the release of 2.3 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. that's the equivalent of taking 435,000 cars off the road for a year the program will offset 8.5 million megawatt hours of electricity generation, and avoid the release of eight until million tons of co2. the program will generate $1.6 billion in net economic benefit regionwide, and it's putting $1.1 billion in electricity bill savings into the pockets of consumers in the region over the next decade. that's maybe the most important number. in addition to preventing the release of 2.3 million tons of co2 pollution it's reducing the energy bills for new england consumers by over a billion dollars. wow. how does that happen? how do you restrict emissions and then reduce pollution? why? because we take all of that money that we glean in people

they denied that the ozone hole was growing. they denied that tobacco caused cancer. heck, some of them probably denied that seat belts made auto travel safer. that's been their industry. they have been in the denial industry, but this is a dangerous place to be, particularly because the oceans don't lie. the oceans tell the story, and they tell it in ways that you can't deny p. and it's big what happens in the oceans, because 93% of the heat goes into the oceans. and what do you see? you know perfectly well-well what was -- you know perfectly well what happens to liquids when they get warmer? it is called the law of thermal expansion. when liquids get bigger, get warmer, they get bigger. and sure enough, when the ocean gets bigger, the sea level rises. here is a time series showing the sea level rise taking place. so we have the principle of carbon dioxide wormin -- warming the temperature of the earth. we have the addition of the carbon dioxide. we have the measurement in the atmosphere of the effect of that addition. we have the laws of nature that show what happen

for example, the ozone regulations. 77 oklahoma counties would be out of attainment, 9 million jobs would be lost. the utility mac, that's something that did pass -- the ute mact, that's something that did pass, 766,000 jobs. boiler mact, that's every manufacturing company has a boiler so this is -- mact is mact, maximum achievable boiler technology -- so the boiler mact would cost -- is costing $63 billion, 800,000 jobs that have already been lost. the b.l.m. fracking regulations would be $100,000 per well, duplicative of effective state regulations which have been doing very well now since 1948. greenhouse gas costs of $300 billion to $400 billion. so i guess what i'm saying here -- and i know that i'm using up quite a bit of time but it's important to look and see what has happened since the time that they were all talking about global warming. everybody was talking about it and now they're going to have an all-to it that thing to try to revive it because the public has gone the other direction. george mason university had a study where they actually interviewed the -- several hundred

i cents ozone did your plans it would cover your mammogram test?aid it would be free because it is preventive care . so i asked the lady behind the counter, it doesn't take the aca? she says we are supposed to, but it must he a breakdown in the computer talking to each other. ,ust like this lady that called i am assuming that is what is going on. they are probably covered. --m not war or against it for or against it, but i do not think the computer systems must be catching up with each other yet. they must not be synced so to speak. that was my first encounter with anybody with an aca card. premiums doubling the -- before i went on medicare, on -- i was paying blue cross and blue shield and $50 co-pay on drugs, and hundreds of dollars to go to the hospital. but now i paid $352 a month by ,edicare, and a good supplement and i have a good drug coverage. last year i had $40,000 between s, and iital visit did not pay a dime on it yet. i'm happy with the way that medicare is that up, but i do pay a little more than i did when i was on private care. that

they denied that to zone hole was -- the ozone hole was growing. they denied that tobacco caused cancer. heck, some of them probably denied that seat belts made auto travel safer. that's been their industry. they have been in the denial industry. but this is a dangerous place to be, particularly because the oceans don't lie. the oceans tell the story, ask and they tell it -- and they tell it in ways that you can't deny. and it's big, what happens in the oceans, because 93% of the heat goes into the oceans. and what do you see? you know perfectly well what happens to liquids when they get warmer. that's a law of science. it's called law of thermal expansion. when liquids get bigger, get warmer, they get bigger. and sure enough, when the ocean gets bigger, the sea level rises. and here's a time series showing the sea level rise taking place. so we have the principle of carbon dioxide warming the temperature of the earth, we have the addition of the carbon dioxide, we have the measurement in the atmosphere of the effect of that addition. we have the l

the lives saved are as a result of ozone that is reduced as carbon is reduced. cleaning up carbon pollution from power plants is essential to saving those lives and that will save money. it's important to remember, too, he economic effects of unregulated carbon, it does not just extend to the climate but theals by products of clean air that come and help our economy as well, help people be healthy and help them ultimately contribute to the economy. with that, mr. chairman, i yield back. the chair: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from california, mr. waxman, reserves. the gentleman from kentucky, mr. whitfield is recognized. mr. whitfield: i yield one and a half minutes to mr. sensenbrenner of wisconsin. the chair: the gentleman is recognized for one and a half minutes. mr. sensenbrenner: i rise in support of h.r. 3826. i appreciate the work that the bill's sponsor, mr. whitfield, has done on the issue and i'm proud to be an original co-sponsor of the bill. wisconsin relies on coal for roughly 2/3 of our electric production. energy costs are consistently

nightly newscasts and morning papers are filled with stories about ozone depletion, water and air pollution, and toxic waste in our neighborhoods. while these problems may seem not to affect us personally, we cannot ignore the health hazards that come with living on an interconnected planet.

. >> i take it that the sort of ozone pollutants are not area specific. would your interpretation at who does? trucks if the epa could not make n -- >> if the epa could not make a egulatory finding -- that they had an area-specific air quality inpact, yes. > can i ask a follow-up? that is a fifth interpretation by your side. that to me is the quintessential ambiguity and a statute where we give deference to the agency. if your side cannot even come to one interpretation, why shouldn't we defer to the agency? >> the deference is always subject to reasonable interpretations. we would start with the premise that an interpretation that requires the agency to rewrite other provisions of the act -- >> well, it hasn't rewritten them. all that was said, as i understand it, and i don't understand other than your comment that there are too many people regulating, is that we can't influence it because it would over-burden us dministratively. it hasn't said with streamlining and other adjustments, it cannot do this. it just as we can't do it right away. >> that's rig

the owe tkoepb, for example, their -- the ozone, for example, their regulation, hasn't gone through yet, all 77 of my counties in oklahoma would be out of he attainment. that would be seven million jobs lost in my state, 7,000 jobs. utility mact, something already implemented, that is what put coal out of business. $100 billion in cost, at one.6.5 million jobs. boiler mact, already implemented also. every manufacturing company has a boiler and so they would regulate those boilers. the cost of that $63 billion, costing 800,000 jobs that were lost. that's already implemented. the b.l.m. fracking regulations would be about $100,000 a well. here's the thing on fracking. i can remember when hydraulic fracturing was something not many people knew about. i did because the first hydraulic fracturing took place in phao*eu state of oklahoma. -- in my state of oklahoma. it was 1948. i remember when the last director of the environmental protection agency, lisa jackson, she made the statement when i asked her the question live on tv, i said is it causing groundwater contamination, she is the one wh