we've got a couple of minutes for folks to wander on in from other things, and then we're going to have fascinating conversation with p.j. o'rourke and john allison moderated by alexander becoven on the topic, who will save us from big government? i hope between those three people one of them has an answer. anyway, we'll get that started in just a couple of minutes. in the meantime, bear with us. ♪ ♪ >> booktv's coverage of freedomfest 2014 continues with a panel on big government with p.j. o'rourke, author of "don't vote, it just encourages the bastards," charles murray, author of "in pursuit of happiness and good government," and john allison, author of "the financial crisis and the free market cure." [applause] >> thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for attending this panel. i'm incredibly excited to be joined by some of the leading minds and advocates of liberty today to try to answer the question, what can save us from big government? to begin, i'd like to introduce our panelists and then start prompting them with questions to answer that. we have john allison, president and ceo of the cato institute. mr.alson, prior