p.j. crowley who said that manning's attainment was ridiculous counterproductive and stupid and just days later on march thirteenth he was forced to step down from his position even congressman dennis kucinich tried to visit manning to check on his conditions but his requests were not here's how it goes so i asked the secretary of defense he sent me a response and said talk to the secretary of the army i talked to the secretary of the army is there talk to the secretary of navy and since they have control the marines have control over quantico and then the circuitry of the navy said no i have to talk to the secretary of defense so that the runaround. now the administration continue to turn a blind eye the public began shining in they went to quantico to protest manning's treatment and keep in mind he still has not been convicted of any crime but it seems the president. our t. has his mind made up on many fields. we don't. know. now move forward april twentieth of this year after facing scrutiny from the public over his treatment want to go manning was transferred to a new facility in fort

p.j. crowley. he is the former spokesman for the united states state department. he resigned after criticizing bradly manning. thanks for joining us. >> a pleasure, rachel. >> you are intimately familiar with the players involved in the decisions. what do you think the decision making process was like on this issue of the bin laden photos? >> inside the government there's a concept of strategic communication. we know that these photographs or videos as you just detailed have power. the question is what are you communicating for, what purpose? i'm not sure that the doubters out there, there sure are some are that large a group. what i do know is there are people who aspire to be martyrs out there. in the concept of strategic communication, you don't want to give your opposition something for free. the idea that releasing an iconic photo might be used as propaganda purposes might validate that martyrdom psyche in some way i think tilted towards the decision the president made. >> even taking into account the fact that anybody who is a doubter is not necessarily goin