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p.j. smith? >> it is, so -- it's tim gaudette, mark judge, tom cain, p.j. bernie mccarthy and chris garrett. >> chris garrett is squee. >> he is. >> did you in your calendar routinely document social gatherings like house parties or gatherings of friends in your calendar? >> yes. it certainly appears that way, that that's what i was doing in the summer of 1982, and you can see that reflected on several of the -- several of the entries. if a gathering like dr. ford has described had occurred, would you have documented that? >> yes, because i documented everything of those kinds of events, even small get-togethers. august 7th is another good example where i documented a small get-together that summer, so, yes. >> august 7th. could you read that. >> i think that's go to becky's, matt, denise, laurie, jenny. have you reviewed every entry that in these calendars of may, june, july and august of 1982? >> i have. >> is there anything that could even remotely fit what we're talking about in terms of dr. ford's allegations? >> no. >> as a lawyer and a judge, are you
p.j. smith? >> it is, so -- it's tim gaudette, mark judge, tom cain, p.j. bernie mccarthy and chris garrett. >> chris garrett is squee. >> he is. >> did you in your calendar routinely document social gatherings like house parties or gatherings of friends in your calendar? >> yes. it certainly appears that way, that that's what i was doing in the summer of 1982, and you can see that reflected on several of the -- several of the entries. if a gathering like dr. ford...
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p.j. smith? >> it is. so it's tim gaudet, mark judge, tom kane, p.j. smith, bernie mccarthy, chris garrett. >> chris garrett is squee? >> he is. >> did you in your calendar routinely document social gatherings like house parties or gatherings of friends in your calendar? >> yes. it certainly appears that way. that's what i was doing in the summer of 1982. you can see that reflected on several of the -- several of the entries. >> if a gathering like dr. ford has described had occurred, would you have documented that? >> yes. because i documented everything, those kinds of events, even small get togethers. august 7th is another good example where i documented a small get together that summer. so, yes. >> august 7th. could you read that? >> think that's go to becky's, matt, denise, lori, jenny. >> have you reviewed every entry that is in these calendars of may, june, july, and august of 1982? >> i have. >> is there anything that could even remotely fit what we're talking about in terms of dr. ford's allegations? >> no. >> as a lawyer and a judge, are you -
p.j. smith? >> it is. so it's tim gaudet, mark judge, tom kane, p.j. smith, bernie mccarthy, chris garrett. >> chris garrett is squee? >> he is. >> did you in your calendar routinely document social gatherings like house parties or gatherings of friends in your calendar? >> yes. it certainly appears that way. that's what i was doing in the summer of 1982. you can see that reflected on several of the -- several of the entries. >> if a gathering like dr. ford...
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she said that mark judge, p.j. smith, and leland ingham also were present as well as an unknown male. and that the people were drinking to varying degrees. were you ever at a gathering that fits that description? >> no. as i've said? my opening statements. opening statement. >> dr. ford described an incident where she was alone in a room with you and mark judge. have you ever been alone in a room with dr. ford and mark judge? >> no. >> dr. ford described an incident where you were grinding your genitals on her. have you ever ground or rubbed your genitals against dr. ford? >> no. >> dr. ford described an incident where you covered her mouth with your hand. have you ever covered dr. ford's mouth with your hand? >> no. >> dr. ford described an incident where you tried to remove her clothes. have you ever tried to remove her clothes? >> no. >> referring back to the definition of sexual behavior that i have given you, have you ever at any time engaged in sexual behavior with dr. ford? >> no. >> have you ever engaged in in se
she said that mark judge, p.j. smith, and leland ingham also were present as well as an unknown male. and that the people were drinking to varying degrees. were you ever at a gathering that fits that description? >> no. as i've said? my opening statements. opening statement. >> dr. ford described an incident where she was alone in a room with you and mark judge. have you ever been alone in a room with dr. ford and mark judge? >> no. >> dr. ford described an incident...
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that would be judge, p.j. smith and leyland kaiser. the problem is that all five of the people have already given sworn testimony. you are aware of what they have said. four categorically denied under oath ford's version of the story. if they deviate from the previous testimony, they could face criminal penalties. so what can we possibly learn from having the f.b.i. interview them? keep in mind that the f.b.i. makes no judgments in the investigation. it's not assessing credibility or render any conclusion. it just does interviews and summarizes them for lawmakers. the f.b.i. no matter what they tell you is not a tie-breaker in this or any other investigation. it's an investigative agency that will provide the senate with information that senators already have. so brett kavanaugh is going to get interviewed again. you probably have to get a prostate exam to be more thoroughly vetted than kavanaugh has been in the next 20 years. they may try that, too. if you are looking for truth this is a pointless exercise. you wouldn't consider it. b
that would be judge, p.j. smith and leyland kaiser. the problem is that all five of the people have already given sworn testimony. you are aware of what they have said. four categorically denied under oath ford's version of the story. if they deviate from the previous testimony, they could face criminal penalties. so what can we possibly learn from having the f.b.i. interview them? keep in mind that the f.b.i. makes no judgments in the investigation. it's not assessing credibility or render any...
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. >> is p.j., p.j. smith? >> it is. so, tim gaudette, mark judge, tom mccain, p.j. smith, bernie mccarthy, chris garrett. >> martha: one of the people named in that list that kavanaugh just mentioned, tom mccain -- tom cain is his friend. thank you for being here tonight. i assume you watched this today? >> i did. beginning to end. >> martha: what did you think about how he came out of the gate? obviously this has been very difficult for him and for his family. what was your reaction? >> well, yeah, i think everybody that watched this significant portion rode the roller coaster. dr. ford evoked emotion i expected. i thought miss mitchell, watching her cross was like listening to a bad cell phone. you really couldn't understand where she was going. so we didn't learn much there. then he gave us what we were looking for. he came out with the emotion. i know all of our friends were feeling. i think he accomplished two huge things. he squashed the allegations, lock, stock and barrel. his fire set the stage for reforming the process, i think. making it better for nominees
. >> is p.j., p.j. smith? >> it is. so, tim gaudette, mark judge, tom mccain, p.j. smith, bernie mccarthy, chris garrett. >> martha: one of the people named in that list that kavanaugh just mentioned, tom mccain -- tom cain is his friend. thank you for being here tonight. i assume you watched this today? >> i did. beginning to end. >> martha: what did you think about how he came out of the gate? obviously this has been very difficult for him and for his family....
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p.j. smith? >> it is. so it's tim gaudet, mark judge, tom kane, p.j. smith, bernie mccarthy, chris garrett. >> chris garrett is squee? >> he is. >> did you in your calendar routinely document social gatherings like house parties or gatherings of friends in your calendar? >> yes. it certainly appears that way. that's what i was doing in the summer of 1982. you can see that reflected on several of the -- several of the entries. >> if a gathering like dr. ford has described had occurred, would you have documented that? >> yes. because i documented everything, those kinds of events, even small get togethers. august 7th is another good example where i documented a small get together that summer. so, yes. >> august 7th. could you read that? >> think that's go to becky's, matt, denise, lori, jenny. >> have you reviewed every entry that is in these calendars of may, june, july, and august of 1982? >> i have. >> is there anything that could even remotely fit what we're talking about in terms of dr. ford's allegations? >> no. >> as a lawyer and a judge, are you -
p.j. smith? >> it is. so it's tim gaudet, mark judge, tom kane, p.j. smith, bernie mccarthy, chris garrett. >> chris garrett is squee? >> he is. >> did you in your calendar routinely document social gatherings like house parties or gatherings of friends in your calendar? >> yes. it certainly appears that way. that's what i was doing in the summer of 1982. you can see that reflected on several of the -- several of the entries. >> if a gathering like dr. ford...
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a lawyer for p.j. smith who dr.ect to the ford allegations. the first is obviously mark judge. a probing interview needs to be conducted of mark judge. the statements through lawyers are obviously not enough. i think kavanaugh said during the hearing fbi agents don't draw conclusions. yes, but they interview people every single day and do draw conclusions about their credibility and whether people are telling the truth. there are many ways to do that with mark judge to figure out what he means when he says he doesn't remember. does that mean it didn't happen or he can't remember. he needs to be asked questions about his and kavanaugh's drinking habits. then the other category are the other people who might have been not car miparticipants or witne but present that heeevening. i would use the july 1st calendar entry and the list of names there and ask all those participants there that may have been the night in question she's talking about. it may not. it sounds like a similar type of gathering. then i would put in t
a lawyer for p.j. smith who dr.ect to the ford allegations. the first is obviously mark judge. a probing interview needs to be conducted of mark judge. the statements through lawyers are obviously not enough. i think kavanaugh said during the hearing fbi agents don't draw conclusions. yes, but they interview people every single day and do draw conclusions about their credibility and whether people are telling the truth. there are many ways to do that with mark judge to figure out what he means...
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you, mark judge, leland ingam at the time, patrick p.j. smith, dr. ford and an unnamed boy. do you know mark judge? >> i do. >> how do you know him? >> he was a friend at georgetown prep starting in ninth grade. he's someone we were in our, you know, group of friends. we're a very friendly group in class. he saw the letter that's been sent by my friends from georgetown prep. funny guy. great writer. popular. developed a serious addiction problem that lasted decades. near death a couple times from his addiction. suffered tremendously from -- >> what is your relationship with him like now? >> i haven't talked to him in a couple years. we've probably been on mass e-mails or group e-mails that go around among my high school friends. >> and how did you know patrick smith? >> also ninth grade. georgetown prep. went by p.j. then. he and i lived close to one another. played football together. he was defensive tackle as the cornerback and wide receiver. we carpooled to school along with d. davis. every year the three of us for two years. i didn't have a car. so one of the two of them
you, mark judge, leland ingam at the time, patrick p.j. smith, dr. ford and an unnamed boy. do you know mark judge? >> i do. >> how do you know him? >> he was a friend at georgetown prep starting in ninth grade. he's someone we were in our, you know, group of friends. we're a very friendly group in class. he saw the letter that's been sent by my friends from georgetown prep. funny guy. great writer. popular. developed a serious addiction problem that lasted decades. near death...
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smith? >> also ninth grade. georgetown prep. went by p.j. then. he and i lived close to one another, played football together. he was defensive tackle. i was a cornerback and wide receiver. we carpooled to school along with d. davis. every year, the three of us for two years. i didn't have a car. so one of the two of them would drive every day, and i would be in -- they would pick me up. >> what's your relationship like with him now? >> he lives in the area. i see him once in a while. i haven't seen him since this thing. >> okay. >> do you know leland ingham or leland keyser? >> i know of her. it's possible i, you know, saw or met
smith? >> also ninth grade. georgetown prep. went by p.j. then. he and i lived close to one another, played football together. he was defensive tackle. i was a cornerback and wide receiver. we carpooled to school along with d. davis. every year, the three of us for two years. i didn't have a car. so one of the two of them would drive every day, and i would be in -- they would pick me up. >> what's your relationship like with him now? >> he lives in the area. i see him once in...
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p.j. smithed of being at the party when this happened, said his client is happy to cooperate with the investigation. "the washington post" reports if investigators uncover evidence that kavanaugh lied to lawmakers during hearings or on his background check forms, that could spark a criminal investigation in which law enforcement could use the full extent of its legal powers. joining our discussion now, mimi roca, a former assistant district attorney in new york and a former msnbc analyst. >> i think there were four categories right off the back the fbi is probably going to focus on with respect to the ford allegation. the first is mark judge. a probing interview needs to be conducted of mark judge. i think kavanaugh said during hearing fbi agents don't draw conclusions, yes. but they interview people every single day and do draw conclusions ability their credibility and whether people are telling the truth. and there are many ways to do that with mark judge, to figure out exactly what he means w
p.j. smithed of being at the party when this happened, said his client is happy to cooperate with the investigation. "the washington post" reports if investigators uncover evidence that kavanaugh lied to lawmakers during hearings or on his background check forms, that could spark a criminal investigation in which law enforcement could use the full extent of its legal powers. joining our discussion now, mimi roca, a former assistant district attorney in new york and a former msnbc...
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p.j. smith, another friend of judge kavanaugh and leeland kaiser, a friend of christine blasey ford who christine says was at the party. so that's what we know. the fbi presumably is working today to interview those people. i think there are very big questions about what will happen if those people raise names or incidents that ought to be further explored. how much will the fbi have -- how much leeway will the fbi have in pursuing other leads? we know, for instance, that julie swetnick who made allegations that judge kavanaugh was involved in sexual misdeeds, gang rape in high school, is not someone to be interviewed but mark judge supposedly is to be interviewed about julie swetnick and about her claims. i guess its big question is how wide will this investigation spread? and one thing that i would note is that the white house is characterizing thises characterizing this as a background check. that is different from a criminal investigation. so we also have expectations that are set differentl
p.j. smith, another friend of judge kavanaugh and leeland kaiser, a friend of christine blasey ford who christine says was at the party. so that's what we know. the fbi presumably is working today to interview those people. i think there are very big questions about what will happen if those people raise names or incidents that ought to be further explored. how much will the fbi have -- how much leeway will the fbi have in pursuing other leads? we know, for instance, that julie swetnick who...
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we had another one, p.j. smitho said i was identified as being at that party and i can tell you i was never at a party like that with brett kavanaugh, this is not like what i knew him to be. so that -- of course you couple that with all of the dozens of women who say they knew him at the time. it doesn't add up with him. his repeated adamant and very confident denials saying this was not me. i think it's -- the evidence points to the fact that it actually wasn't. >> kirsten, one of the arguments that some of the women randi talked to made is that why now? why didn't she come forward with this earlier? brett kavanaugh has been, you know, in the public eye. he's gone through confirmation hearings and had background investigations in the past. >> yeah. it's distressing to me to hear people saying that after what we've gone through with "me too" because i feel like this issue has been covered so thoroughly, that this is very standard for women who have been victimized through sexual trauma and sexual harassment for tha
we had another one, p.j. smitho said i was identified as being at that party and i can tell you i was never at a party like that with brett kavanaugh, this is not like what i knew him to be. so that -- of course you couple that with all of the dozens of women who say they knew him at the time. it doesn't add up with him. his repeated adamant and very confident denials saying this was not me. i think it's -- the evidence points to the fact that it actually wasn't. >> kirsten, one of the...
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p.j. smith says he has no knowledge of the allegations. that is not a it did not happen. leland keyser has said through her attorney, she has no recollection of being at a party where kavanaugh was are present. that is not a it did not happen. and in fact, leland keyser has said that she believes dr. ford. the only person who has denied the event that has taken place, and says it did not happen is judge kavanaugh. and so, now, this is the realle point, sir. >> and can you -- >> i would like to finish -- >> you have gone on. >> but may i finish my statement. >> okay. i want to ask you a question. you gone 17 minutes and i have three other people who want to speak. >> i understand that, and i will be closing my comments soon and i want to continue. >> are you willing to let three other people? >> sir, i want to the finish my comments and you can let whoever speak, speak, sir. you the chairman. >> go ahead, sir. >> mr. mr. chairman -- >> he can take as much of my time as he wishes. >> this nation is now watching not in a partisan way and we saw one republican so offended bec
p.j. smith says he has no knowledge of the allegations. that is not a it did not happen. leland keyser has said through her attorney, she has no recollection of being at a party where kavanaugh was are present. that is not a it did not happen. and in fact, leland keyser has said that she believes dr. ford. the only person who has denied the event that has taken place, and says it did not happen is judge kavanaugh. and so, now, this is the realle point, sir. >> and can you -- >> i...
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that includes p.j. smith a friend of judge kavanaugh who said he's willing to cooperate with the fbi. whit. >> tara palmeri at the white house. our thanks to you. ks so ch fagen, a republican strategist who worked in the bush white house, also a former colleague of brett kavanaugh. sara, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> senator jeff flake, we've been talking about him a lot this morning, basically said that pushing this one-week is delay so the fbi can further investigate the allegations against kavanaugh is the right thing to do for the country. do you agree with that, and how are republicans reacting to this? >> well, i think there's been so much focus on this investigation that ultimately it's become a focal point of the democratic party, and so in that regard, it's helpful to judge kavanaugh to have this done, because if confirmed, which i hope he is, he is a good and decent man, he should be, but if confirmed i think it helps him enter the court with this no cloud over his head hopefully.
that includes p.j. smith a friend of judge kavanaugh who said he's willing to cooperate with the fbi. whit. >> tara palmeri at the white house. our thanks to you. ks so ch fagen, a republican strategist who worked in the bush white house, also a former colleague of brett kavanaugh. sara, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> senator jeff flake, we've been talking about him a lot this morning, basically said that pushing this one-week is delay so the fbi can further...
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ford identified brett kavanaugh and p.j. smith and present at the gathering is corroborated and corroborated in his own calendar as we have seen. judge kavanaugh documented on july 1, that included mark judge and p.j. smith and a reference to alcohol. dr. ford testified that shortly after the assault, around six to eight weeks later, she ran into mark judge at a local grocery store and he seemed very uncomfortable to see her. his book "wasted tales of a genx drunk, he testified that he worked at a grocery store in 1982. the circumstances surrounding her coming forward to this committee also support her. first she made contact with elected representatives before judge kavanaugh was even nominated. this isn't some political hit job. before he was even nominated, she came forward with this testimony. second, she submitted to a lengthy, intrusive and emotional polygraph record. we didn't call for the tester to sit before us so we could question them. the report concluded that she was truth ifful. nd now part of the committee's record.
ford identified brett kavanaugh and p.j. smith and present at the gathering is corroborated and corroborated in his own calendar as we have seen. judge kavanaugh documented on july 1, that included mark judge and p.j. smith and a reference to alcohol. dr. ford testified that shortly after the assault, around six to eight weeks later, she ran into mark judge at a local grocery store and he seemed very uncomfortable to see her. his book "wasted tales of a genx drunk, he testified that he...
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steve: what's interesting about that is the fact that he -- he said, you know, i'm the p.j., patrick j. smithast not in the "the washington post" article. so people are going where is that from? is that in the letter from dianne feinstein? we simply don't know. now, judge napolitano says here is one other dynamic about whether or not judge kavanaugh should show up on monday, and that is that if she is not there to make an allegation, what would he respond to? and then, the judge had this suggestion, which we had not heard before, for chuck grassley. >> subpoena her. she decided to go to the press. if they subpoena dr. ford, if they subpoena the therapist notes, if they subpoena dr. ford's husband, who according to dr. ford was there when this incident was recounted, then they can interrogate her. steve: would what we know so far about this case would that stand up in court? >> absolutely not it's too infamily northerly, too indefinite it's too i don't remember, i don't remember, i don't remember. most judges wouldn't let a jury hear it. ainsley: wouldn't that be great if they i don't think he
steve: what's interesting about that is the fact that he -- he said, you know, i'm the p.j., patrick j. smithast not in the "the washington post" article. so people are going where is that from? is that in the letter from dianne feinstein? we simply don't know. now, judge napolitano says here is one other dynamic about whether or not judge kavanaugh should show up on monday, and that is that if she is not there to make an allegation, what would he respond to? and then, the judge had...
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smith. also ninth grade. georgetown prep. went by p.j. than. he and i lived close to one another. played football together he was defensive tackle was quarterback and wide receiver we carpooled the school along with davis every year the three of us for two years i didn't have a car so one of the two of them would drive every day and i'd been you know they'd pick me up. what's your relationship like with him now he lives in the area see him once in a while haven't seen him since this this thing do you know leland or leland kaiser i know of or and if it's possible i. you know saw him met her in high school at some point somewhere that you are no aren't as i know over and again i don't want to rule out having crossed paths with her in high school similar two year. statements about knowing dr ford correct we've been hearing of brett kavanaugh testimony to the senate judiciary committee of course answering the allegations of sexual assault against him also listen to that he's currently being questioned let's bring in roslyn jordan who is joining us from washington d.c. rose what we saw
smith. also ninth grade. georgetown prep. went by p.j. than. he and i lived close to one another. played football together he was defensive tackle was quarterback and wide receiver we carpooled the school along with davis every year the three of us for two years i didn't have a car so one of the two of them would drive every day and i'd been you know they'd pick me up. what's your relationship like with him now he lives in the area see him once in a while haven't seen him since this this thing...
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in-depth redding of adam -- reading of adam smith for one of his books and as editor of a financial magazine and produced his latest book, "none of my business." p.j. explains money, banking, debt, equity, assets, liabilities and why he's not rich and neither are you. though, of course, some of you may be rich, and so maybe you don't need to be here. [laughter] it is a pleasure to introduce the h.l. mencken research fellow at the cato institute, the author of "none of my business," p.j. o'rourke. [applause] >> thank you. thank you. so i'm here today to talk about the root of libertarianism which is money. now, of course, money is the root of libertarianism, that is why cato has lured you here today. but even aside from your generous contributions to cato institute -- and i hope you will make them -- the money is the root of libertarianism, because money is a toke then of value -- token of value, value is a token of property. property has value because it is personal. public property, compare. your bathroom, public restrooms. your garden, public parks. especially after dark. your car, public transportation. especially in this city. property has val
in-depth redding of adam -- reading of adam smith for one of his books and as editor of a financial magazine and produced his latest book, "none of my business." p.j. explains money, banking, debt, equity, assets, liabilities and why he's not rich and neither are you. though, of course, some of you may be rich, and so maybe you don't need to be here. [laughter] it is a pleasure to introduce the h.l. mencken research fellow at the cato institute, the author of "none of my...