no notification from pacom came. we simulate that. based on that simulation our staff at the state warning point will open up the screen, go through the checklist and make the initiation. there is a -- again, it's a human error. there is a screen that says, are you sure you want to do this? okay? that's already in place. now, we have one person, human error, and that thing was pushed anyway. >> so there was -- by having redundancy -- >> also pressed yes? >> yes. >> there was a few-step process, press yes in both situations? >> right. >> so having redundancy, two people, 12 to 13 minutes to alert the public. how much-o much of a delay -- >> no delay. right now the process would be ots, the person in charge of the warning point, that shift, would, the one to push it or oversee making sure there are two people there when pushing the button. >> there was a redundancy in place then. someone clicks, sends out a mass message and someone also clicks to say, yes? >> it's the same person. >> can you explain why, then, he did it twice? >> i can'