paddy ashdown, welcome. >> nice to be with you. >> on this day, right?ody who was there that time, as you were so often and i was infrequently, will see this as a great day. i mean, it was a day, frankly, i didn't think actually would come. >> really? >> i didn't. i mean, i was given evidence three times at the tribunal, once against mladic, once against the kurds, and once against another serb, and i didn't think they'd get it. when i was in bosnia, i worked very hard to make sure that we set the context in which he could be captured, so i was delighted he was and delighted this long process, careful, steady, meticulous process been brought to an end and this man is where he should be -- in jail for the rest of his life. >> give us a sense of -- you met him obviously several times during the war. you saw my interview with him just a year into the war, and i met him many times afterwards. he was a swaggering bully. >> he certainly was. i met him twice -- once when i went out there in '92, and i was actually taken in by karadzic before karadzic stopped, a