(averill) to learn music is to do something akin to learning a language (pagano) that's it. now try it. (averill) and very often, as kids learn music, they're taught the grammar, the rules, the syntax of the musical language. they learn this by rote. [drumbeats] do it slowly. (averill) eventually, the idea is that they can then bring something of their own style, something of their own spirit to the music and transform it-- make it something personal. take the example of jazz musicians who study solos of previous jazz greats who learn to reproduce those solos note by note. then they're able to take their own solos to begin to do something brilliant and creative and imaginative. (redman) i usually say that i'm self-taught because i never had a real private instructor as a saxophonist. but my teachers i consider to be the great musicians from the past and the great musicians from the present. i've learned from listening to the records. i consider sonny rollins one of my greatest teachers even though i've never met the man. so the way i've learned is by listening and by playing

. >> chuck pagano called him a rolling ball of butcher knives. thought you would like to hear that.d his 1974 world series appearance. picked off in game two. >> a fun element for our show. guys enjoy the ability to get called out and that says something about the guys. i think not everybody is like that. tony and mike certainly are. >> not only errors but omissions. you don't see that too often. i spoke with tony kornheiser earlier. thank you so much for joining us. tell me, why does "pardon the intermission" need a fact checker to come on the air? >> when we first started the show, we were newspaper guys. we were used to the notion of corrections all the time. in the newspaper of course they came out the next day and we figured we couldn't wait until the next day and it was our idea to get somebody to correct us. we knew that we were just going to be spouting off fact after fact after fact after fact and we were bound to get a few wrong. we had no research in front of us. it was television. we knew we would get something wrong and we thought it would be good for the audience that

if you hear the story of your own family and can remember back then, grandma and grandpa pagano movedin that spare bedroom because he couldn't work anymore and they had nowhere to turn. so franklin roosevelt in 1935 said let's create an insurance program. you pay premiums on this insurance plan while you're working and when you reach the age of 65, we'll pay you at least some money each month to get by. they called this insurance plan social security. it was part of the new deal under franklin roosevelt. pretty sensible but controversial, too. you know what the republican reaction was to social security in 1935? here on the fly of the united states senate there was a republican filibuster to stop roosevelt from implementing social security. they wouldn't let him open the social security offices he needed nor give him the staff, a republican filibuster stopped it. then in 1936, the republican candidate for president was alf landon, a progressive republican governor from kansas. alf landon said if i am elected president of the united states in 1936 my first act of office will be to repe