(averill) to learn music is to do something akin to learning a language (pagano) that's it. now try it. (averill) and very often, as kids learn music, they're taught the grammar, the rules, the syntax of the musical language. they learn this by rote. [drumbeats] do it slowly. (averill) eventually, the idea is that they can then bring something of their own style, something of their own spirit to the music and transform it-- make it something personal. take the example of jazz musicians who study solos of previous jazz greats who learn to reproduce those solos note by note. then they're able to take their own solos to begin to do something brilliant and creative and imaginative. (redman) i usually say that i'm self-taught because i never had a real private instructor as a saxophonist. but my teachers i consider to be the great musicians from the past and the great musicians from the present. i've learned from listening to the records. i consider sonny rollins one of my greatest teachers even though i've never met the man. so the way i've learned is by listening and by playing

pagano were aware that she did this despite the state department delegate her not to, and my feeling based on what i'm hear, is that mr. pagliano is the first of many of what you may see is a whole parade of state department i.t. guys who warned her against doing this, now being subpoenaed, called to testify and taking the fifth which would be absolutely atrocious for her which may in fact be the point. >> really almost without precedent. here's what shocked me maybe more than anything. you had elijah cummings, the ranking democrat on that select committee. he issued a statement praising bryan pagliano for not testifying. when was the last time you saw a mental of congress for not testifying being praised for not testifying? >> i am a trained lawyer. if there was an fbi investigation going on and my client was called before a congressional committee, i would tell him to take the fifth amendment. you learn the first day in law school that there is no inference of criminality. we don't even know if there is a criminal investigation going on. can i finish? >> the question is -- >> it ma

kristen welker was willing to confirm that one of the staffers involved in the e-mail situation, brian paganowas paid personally by the clintons to set up that server. he went on to become a state department employee, has worked with the clintons in different capacities. while hillary clinton told andrea mitchell they weren't thinking about the e-mail ser verks they were thinking about how to pay foirt and did so with personal funds, not taxpayer dollars. >> thanks to kelly o'donnell. >>> serena williams gets one step closer to making history. next, the jailed kentucky county clerk stands her ground. stay with us. the difference between a morning around the house and getting a little exercise. and i tried a baking class. one weekend can make all the difference. only depend underwear has new confidence core technology for fast absorption and the smooth, comfortable fit of fit-flex™ protection. take your weekend on with a coupon at depend.com today something is being built into bounty. dawn. bounty with dawn. what a novel idea! just rinse and wring so you can blast right through tough messes an