painter traditionally trained. >> more or less. >> stephen: more or less. let's say more. all right. [ laughter ] you capture themes of every day life and you've chosen to paint scenes from wal-martrted painting wal-marts eight years ago. >> stephen: did they know? >> well -- >> stephen: let show the people what i mean. jim, put up one of these. it's hard to explain. >> okay. >> stephen: that's one of your paintings? what inspired you to paint a rack of jif? >> i just kind of liked the colors, patterns shapes. i've been painting wal-mart for about eight years and watching people and going in and photographing and they kept asking me to leave. >> jon: were you going in there with an easeel? >> i was going with a came are and i would take pictures of the environment and then they said if you continue do that you are going to have to leave. >> stephen: so you are not allowed to take photos in wal-mart. >> most retail environments don't allow to you take photos? >> jon: why? >> i don't know if they think they are losing trade secrets. >> stephen: yeah, you can't let out how these are stacked. [laughter] this reminds me immediately of course of like andy warhol's soup can but it was a