extremists in pakistan? tell us what you think. join the conversation by going to the "how you see it" section of our website at worldfocus.org. >>> we want to bring you up to date tonight on the agreement between iran, the united states and five other world powers on iran's nuclear program. yesterday in iran, theead of the u.n.'s nuclear agency said that his inspectors would be allowed into that newly disclosed anium enrichment facility in three weeks. in deutsche welle's report from iran, you will notice the public tone of yesterday's meing in tehran. gone at least for now was the harsh rhetoric that we have heard so much in recent months. >> reporter: the talks between mohammed elbaradei and president ahmadinejad came after the agreement to inspect the new facility in qom. the head of the iaea said that tehran should have admitted they were building a second unit sooner but he also expressed optimism. >> we agree that our inspectors will come here on the 25th of october to do an inspection and to go to qo

and its partner in pakistan?ery-- not protracted but on reconfiguratn of strategy on e part of president obama, ho is that ing read in pakistan? >> i think pakistan's become very-- it devoped a sense of entitlement to o asistance. the very fact that eightears into this we're really ndamentally trying toç aer the way in which we do siness is a very difrent setting fo the pakistanis. it also iustrates how the united statecan't win for losing we wer criticizefor the past seven years of supportingç musharraf, a now that this legislation tries bolster democracy now the pakistanirmy is crying foul. the know from musharraf's own statements ovethe last week as ll as th former ambassador here, the vast mority of the funds that weaid pakistani over the last seven, ability years have been coletely unaccound for. th've gone to places where th never were suppos to have gone there's a big diffence in the way in whichhe american public-- and quite frankly our legislatures--ant to give money withaccountability and this absolut

we focus on afghanistan and also pakistan. and i think that to not understand the value of the role that the government has toe... to play in afghanistan and we have an election that's playing itself out is a very, very significant aspect of the strategy. to not fully understand how reconstruction and development play in, whether you're adopting a counterterrorism strategy or counterinsurgency strategy there are things that you have to do, there are common things you have to do to be successful in both. so i think this is what we're going to tear apart and look at and consider general mcchrystal's input. the president should be presented with options not just one fait accompli. and we will come up with the right solution, i think. >> schieffer: well, isn't it going to be difficult though? because this is the man that president obama september out there. he relieved the general that was in command. he sent the new man out, said you go out there and tell me what we need to be doing here. he comes back and says we need 40,000 tro

but pakistan military also has expressed very serious concerns about this. so this can become a problematic issue. >> do you think it is going to pass? >> it will pass. it will pass. or it should pass -- or i hope it should pass. but perhaps there's more care needed when these -- not conditionalities but provisions have been drafted. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> we also want to know what you think about this issue. our question tonight -- after eight years of war in afghanistan, are the united states and the world safer from terrorism? you can give us your opinion by going to the "how you see it" section of our website at worldfocus.org. >>> the united states has come out with a very strong statement about recent violence in guinea. nine days ago in that west african country, soldiers opened fire on people protesting the military government of captain moussa camara. a human rights group says that 157 people were killed during the demonstration in a stadium, though the government puts the number at 56. some may have been trampled to death as they

, the first answer i al qaa in pakistan. th theory is there's no very ma fighters from al qaa left in afghanistan,erhaps fewer than a hundr accordingto american officials. therefore, the focus ought be more intensely on thoseborder areas ofakistan where we have recely seen these edators rikes, special operaons, ids, so forth bringsome successe if you assume that therefor the top prioritys al qaeda they are the ones tryg to strike america, what does tt mean for afghanistan. the theory thenis, being discussed in the white house is that the talin doesn't actually aspire to attack the united stas proper. anso then questio becomes, would ey be enaer of qaeda if we don't manage to get rid of them in afghanistan. can they provide safe hav once again for al qaeda. those are the issues that are gog through right now in this debate that you'reeeing in the adminiration. >> charl: what is the politicshat's driving the debate, not that the national security not the first and morps interests, where are the politics if there are any? compl

they're really in pakistan in their sanctuaries. >> rose: so you can support pakistan's efforts to closeots in the streets. the public is spent now, is a spent bullet in terms of our military because we've been almost eight years now in iraq. and so the public is fed up with all this and secondly the military is pretty much burned out. and so... particularly the army. so where are you going to get 40,000 troops? you're going to have to tell every governor that you can't have your guard... your army reserve, your national guard and your air guard for five years or so because you've got to go into afghanistan. that ain't gonna work. so you've got to go after theç alligators wherever they are. right now they shifted from afghanistan to pakistan. they're moving into a sudan, into indonesia, maybe the southern part of philippines. you've got to go after them erever they are. right now if you build up afghanistan, they will just go somewhere else. >> rose: this question: the president is now engaged in intense debate and discussion. >> rightfully so. >> rose: at the white house. with members

our actions in afghanistan relate clearly to pakistan. the other thing, specifically to your point, we're starting to make some headway with the generals in pakistan to pull forces away from the indian front so to speak. we have great difficulty convincing them that the major threat is fact the raging insurgency inside the state. not external state of india. to us, it's self-evident. to them, it's not. that's the reality of it. >> i want to go once around the table with this question, what's the one thing that you want president obama to have in mind as he makes his decision? >> our troops and the stability of our troops and the fact that we're giving our troops what they need. and i mean from the top down, we've got to make a decision from a leadership standpoint whether we give him more troops. we still got to make that commitment that we're reinforcing them like we need to. >> i would urge him to keep in mind stabilizing afghanistan doesn't not mean enlarging our military footprint. i think it will would be counterproductive. i think w

pakistan, so much depends on it. militants in the border region but here they have the militants saying if you are going to fight america's fight then we will screw you up government of pakistan and it is as if they raided the pentagon of pakistan. >> the truth is if we are going to see another terrorist attack it is going to be post marked pakistan. and the instability of pakistan ought to scare the daylights out of people not just because it is a teeming nation with a great deal of angst but because they are sitting on top of nuclear weapons. not poe tex weapons like iran has. they have nuclearized material and the ability to use it. that is frightening. >> geraldo: you agree with the aid for the time being to pakistan? >> have to go ahead and provide aid. if you don't you not only further destablized the pakistani government not that i think it is all that free from corruption but you then have given any reason for there to be no trust whatsoever for the americans when they say anything about committing to help yo

they're ally in pakistan in their sanctuaries. >> rose: syou can support pakistan's efforts to cle the the streets. the public is spent now, a spent bullet i terms ofour military bause we've en almost eight years now in iraq. and so the public is fed upwith all this and sondly the military is pretty much burd out. and s.. particularlthe army. so where a you going toet 40,000 troops? u're going t have to ll every gornor thayou can't have your guard... your army reserve, your nationaluard a your airuard for five years or so because you've g to g into afghanistan. that ain't gon work. so you've got to go aer theç alligators wherever theare. right now the shifted from afghanistan to pakistan. they're moving into sud, into indesia, maybe the southern parof philippines. you've got to go ter them erever ty are. right now you build up afghanistan, thewill just go somewhere else >> rose: this question: the presidt is now engaged in intense debate and discussion. >> rhtfully so. >> rose:t the white house. wi membe of congrs, with mbers of the military and range academic exper. and milary expert

yeah, afghan officialing believe these fighters came from pakistan. this base was only a few miles from the border and fighters can cross easily. the terrain is difficult for the u.s. to manage blue it's the insurgents' backyard. hundreds of fighters left a mosque in a nearby village a few miles from the pakistani border. they attacked two different u.s. bases in a bold and coordinated assault with massive firepower including assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades. outnumbered and in danger of being overrun u.s. troops called for backup, more troops and helicopters and fighter jets. abc's karen russo landed with medics who rescued soldiers. >> we flew in the cover of darkness and circled above to avoid fire before quickly corkscrewing to the landing zone below. we landed in a valley at the bottom of steep mountains making us vulnerable to attack even more so because medevac helicopters do not have any weapons. once on the ground it was difficult to see anything except for smoke from the conflict rising across the moonlight. the area smelled like

s and the governments in afghanistan and pakistan and members of congress. it was a serious review in march. he appoints his own general later and two months ago he said tfer a war of necessity. you would think he has thought it through. now all of a sudden he is rethinking it. it is because of the political pressure. the public opinion polls are going negative on him. he has gotten his left in the party, and it is all about the politics. it is not about the strategy. you have the best generals in the world. mcchrystal on counterterrorism and petraeus on counterinsurgency, the best in the world who know how this is done and who conclude you cannot do a counterterrorism strategy, only counterinsurgency and aidle he is reliesing on biden, rahm emanuel and himself to go against the advice of these experts. hard to believe. >> he is in a bit of a bind here because the base of his party doesn't want to do anything in afghanistan, it would appear, but on the other hand, if you do not put in the troops that general mcchrystal wants and has recommended, you are taki

will not weaken pakistan's resolve.ilitary sources are signaling that its long awaited assault was ready to begin soon. >> nature of its most brutal has left many parts of asia reeling. from a similar to sumatra to southern india, let's take a first to the flooding in india. i believe 230 people have been killed. the army, navy, and air force have been deployed. villages are still cut off by days of torrential rain coul. >> across much of southern india, the rain has taken its toll. entire villages have been washed away or cut off, with roads under water. for those left behind, it is a struggle to make their way to safety. many have left their homes with only the clothes they're wearing and whatever else they can salvage. there are now desperate. >> water has come into our village and we have lost our home. we're left with no food and no safe drinking water. i brought this food from the village. how can we live our lives? the government should take some immediate actions to find a permanent solution. >> the authorities

pakistan. do you believe we're on the same side? we and the pakistani government in opposing the taliban in afghanistan? do you believe that? >> i do. chris, from working on this in the foreign relations committee, i also chair the subcommittee that has both countries under it. also talking to people in pakistan and following this, i just spoke to president zardari the other day. it's very clear that this is a different approach now and candidly a much better approach from our vantage point that the pakistani government has taken with the pakistani army. the general is very serious about this. taking the fight already to the swat valley and also getting to waziristan. i think they understand the threat now or at least reacting to the threat in a much more substantial way than they were a year ago. despite the bad news we keep hearing about afghanistan, i think there's good news to report there. in pakistan, i think the effort is much more focused and effective to take the fight to the taliban i

pakistan military also has expresd very serious concerns abouit. so this can come a problemati issue were do you think it's going to pass? >> it will pass. it wl pass. or ithould pass-- or i hope should pass. bu prhaps more ca is needed when these -- not coitionalities but provisions have been drafted. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> we also wa to know what you think on thiissue. our queson tonight -- after ght years of war in afghanistan, are the uted states and theorld safer from terrorism? you can give us your opini by going to the "how u see it" section of ourebsite. that'st worlocus.org. >>> the united stas has come out with a very strong stament about recent violence in gnea. nine days o in that west african country,oldiers opened fire on pele protesting the militaryovernment of captain ussa camara. a human rights group sa that 157 kied during the demp strags in a stadm, though the government puts the number at 56. some m have been trampled to death as they raaway from the shting. tnesses say soldiers raped women in the streets of t

. >>> pakistan says it's ended a hostage standoff in its army headquarters. a military spokesman says four militants and three hostages are dead after troops launched a rescue operation this morning. an alleged militant's leader was captured. the militants somehow got into the headquarters yesterday and held dozens of people hostage for 18 hours. terror strikes in pakistan seem to be picking up, with at least three attacks in the past seven days. >>> we have video of a dramatic shootout caught on tape. take a close look at this unbelievable surveillance video. this was the scene after a fist fight turned into an all-out gun battle at a bar in toledo, ohio. patrons already had scrambled out the door. one gun wielding man ducked behind the pool table and others joined in that fight. a few minutes later, a second camera captured several people outside, firing into the bar. amazingly, no one was struck, even though upwards of 20 shots were fired. police are trying to identify the gunmen and figure out what started the shootout. >> one person died and more than a

i say the battle started in pakistan, and it should be ended in pakistan.rd: your third point is to just admit that there are similarities to past wars. >> dates likes to pretend -- shepard: defense secretary robert gates. >> exactly. that is not true. you will see the similarities between rep the russians did and what the americans did, so the -- what the russians did and what the americans did, so the bottom line is we have to learn our lessons that may be are not as convenient to our strategy now. shepard: the fourth point is how to deal with our association with nato, and your point is this is ours. >> right. all you have to do is good to have course, go to the beer garden, how they latte, and look around and say these people are not fighting a war. do not have nato fight our wars. it is a token effort. they are not as involved as we are. shepard: your fifth point is one about how we have conducted ourselves so far, with great big concepts, but not enough people on the ground. >> right. there are probably more ph.d.'s in kabul and bagrhram than there ar

first, taliban would take over and secondly what we're really fighting about here is pakistan. >> pakistan is going better than before. >> threatening the pakistan regime, they have 50 to 100 nuclear weapons, that's the real gain here. and if we need to control al qaeda, that would be -- >> but if we are trying to prevent some sort of solution here that involves us subpoena me meanting drk what sort of solution is that for afghanistan? ultimately we can't win a recounter insurgency. what they say is, good luck if you're a third party in coming in and doing this. and we don't have a reliable partner. >> and that's the point that the president makes. the only way we can win the population is to guarantee security and that means a hell of a lot more troops politically more painful but the other strategy, get all the way out and make some sort of fortress strategy. my point is, the politics are all bad. the politics of what you have to do to win is all bad. the obama administration is all in this flux. >> but they know -- >> something that is very serious and make as serious point about this p

that is true for both pakistan and afghanistan.he problem is the two central governments tend to want to focus on each other rather than asserting control in the tribal lands. they let were large and others have power. that has led to mischief like al qaeda and other radicals, radical islamic elements. he is there trying to make an assessment of how will this new counter insurgency effort both by the pakistani government and our efforts will help to win over warlords and others said they don't hide these elements. host: he says that these workers have defied the pakistani army and lately also the high-tech americans. sends it to does someone they have offered haven to al qaeda and the taliban. they have made this one of the most difficult spots on the earth. the new battle is coming as the pakistani military prepares a ground offensive in the mehsud areas. guest: the challenge for us is this -- but until recently pakistan's army has been focused almost exclusively upon india. now that their forces are turning towards counterinsurge

and secondly, what we're really fighting here is pakistan. >> pakistan is going better now -- >> the pashtun movement is affecting -- we redefine victory so we control al qaeda -- >> if we're trying to present some sort of solution that invites us supplanting the taliban, the taliban would otherwise take over so we're not there. what sort of solution is that for afghanistan? ultimately we can't win a counterinsurgency for the afghan people. what they say is good luck if you're a third party country in if you're doing this. afghanistan needs to run a counterinsurgency. >> we don't have a reliable partner. >> that's the point mccrystal makes in his document. the only way to build afghans in the situation where we can win a counterinsurgency war is to win the population. the only way to win the population is guaranteed security. that means a hell of a lot more troops. that's the only strategy to stabilize afghanistan. the other strategy, get all the way out. the politics of getting all the way out are really bad. the politics of doing what you have to do to win are really bad. there's n

pakistan, we have to shore up the elements inside pakistan who want to go after the taliban. there are elements particularly in the pakistani intelligence services who want to ally themselves with the taliban. if we make a decision as a nation and, frankly, the dithering that we've seen now the last couple of months,e make a decision we're going to pull out to any extent at all, we make a decision that we're not going to be aggressively doing what it takes to win, that will send a very clear message to elements side pakistan that, you know, making a deal with the taliban is a better bet for them. it will weaken those people like the chief of staff of the army who want to go after the taliban. so these two things are clearly linked. we cannot win in pakistan if we do not win in a counterinsurgency fashion in afghanistan. >> nina? >> i think what we're seeing -- juan talked about harsh fighting. i think we're seeing harsh fighting inside this white house. what you're seeing is on one side defense secretary gates, hillary clinton and the president who says we have to destroy the

soldiers were kilted today in a fierce gun battle with militants near the pakistan border. on "meet the press," susan rice talks about the president's strategy in afghanistan and the call for more combat troops to the region. >> the president has to make a judgment based not only on the military assessment of his commander on the ground, also the inputs of his diplomats, he has to look at the military, the security situation we have in nato, we also have pakistan next door which is important to the equation and the entire global effort to fight and defeat al qaeda. >> for more, let's go to jik pi jim miklaszewski. was this a surprise attack? >> reporter: absolutely. the forces at that camp, that forward combat post there in the far eastern regions, the rugged moupts continue regions of afghanistan were attacked just after dawn by about 75 to 80 enemy forces. the battle raged on for more than six hours. and the enemy was firing from one concealed protections on on the mountain side that surround that camp. so they had the advantage of holding the high ground. and it took som

the taliban's new leader in pakistan threatened new attacks yesterday.t's unclear whether they're behind today's bombing. >>> a 3-year-old girl was okay after she was found in a house where her father was shot twice and two others were killed. florida authorities think the shooting was drug related. they say a group of mentortured the girl's father, his roommate and a woman who was visiting. deputies found the 3-year-old under the woman's body. >> they tortured him and said, if you're going to sell drugs, you're going to sell our drugs. and, by the way, where's the $5,000? >> the girl's father is at the hospital in serious condition. police are still looking for the suspects. >>> investigators have several people on around the clock surveillance in connection with the suspected plot to explode bombs in new york. that's from sources close to the investigation. they say that some of them traveled to pakistan with najibullah zazi and are now back in the united states. zazi is facing conspiracy charges related to the bomb plot. he pleaded not guilty last wee

also, coming up at #:00, we are following a developing story out of pakistan.dly bombing at the offices of the world food program in islamabad. >>> a discouraging reminder from alan greenspan. why he believes we will have a long way to go to get out of this financial mess. >>> we are checking your monday morning commute and your forecast. we'll check in with tony at the top of the hour. there is a look at the american legion bridge. steady but still okay if you are on your way to work. ring ring ring ring ring ring progresso. we have a bit of a bad connection. oh hang on. is that better? much better. we love your weight watchers endorsed soups but my husband looks the way he did 20 years ago. well that's great. but he's wearing the clothes he wore 20 years ago too. oh.... i know the neighbors are talking about him. i'm sorry, can you hang on. my other can is ringing. please hurry back. ring ring ring ring progresso hey can you tell my wife to relax and enjoy the view? it's him. (announcer) progresso. you gotta taste this soup. i know landscaping, but i didn't k

police are trying to identify the gunmen and figure out what started the shootout. >>> pakistan says it's ended a hostage standoff in its army headquarters. a military spokesman says four militants and three hostages are dead after troops launched a rescue operation this morning. but an alleged militant's leader was captured. the militants somehow got into the headquarters yesterday and held dozens of people hostage for 18 hours. terrorist strikes in pakistan seem to be picking up, with at least three attacks in the past seven days. >>> one person tide and more than a dozen were injured in the bus crash in idaho last night. the bus was carrying members of a high school marching band from utah. it crashed and rolled onto its side in a ditch near the utah/idaho border. idaho state police say the bus driver, who survived, may have had a medical condition that caused that crash. >>> 49 tons of food intended for people who can't afford it was lost in a florida fire. it broke out at a warehouse where a food bank kept its inventory. the flames never got to the food, but they still ruined it

white house officials say the focus of the president's strategy will be on defeating al qaeda in pakistan while downplaying the need to completely eliminate the taliban in afghanistan. the taliban, the white house argues, simply does not threaten u.s. security the way al qaeda does. >> the taliban are, obviously, exceedingly bad people that have done awful things. their capability is somewhat different, though. >> reporter: the strategy would turn the remote mountains of pakistan into the center of the war. the white house says while there are only about 100 al qaeda in afghanistan, there are thousands in pakistan. including osama bin laden and his top deputies. using special forces, pilotless drones, and a more aggressive effort from the pakistani army, the strategy has recently led to a series of successful attacks on al qaeda. >> because of our efforts, al qaeda and its allies have not only lost operational capacity. they've lost legitimacy and credibility. >> reporter: analysts say the strategy would require fewer than the 40,000 additional troops general stanley mcchrystal says he ne

the blasts happened at the international islamic university in pakistan's capital. more than 12,000 students from all over the world go to school there. criminal charges could be filed next week against the man at the center of the balloon boy incident. richard heene has been in trouble with the law at least once before. correspondent richard lui joins us now. okay. so what's he done before? >>> robin, he was arrested in 1997. the l.a. city's attorney's office says he pled no contest to vandalism. he was charged with vehicle tampering and disturbing the peace as part of the same case, but those charges were dropped. 911 dispatchers also got a call from heene's colorado home earlier this year. the sheriff said it made them suspicious about domestic violence but no charges were filed there. >> we know there are three kids, they're 6, 8, 10 years of age. there is so much concern about them. say their parents are charged, what happened to them? >> robin, they're with their parents for now. the sheriff contacted child protective services to investigate their well-being.

that is in response to increased attacks against foreign interests in pakistan. >>> there could be a new change in the direction of the war in afghanistan following the deadly taliban ambush. eight u.s. troops were killed saturday when 300 insurgents with automatic rifles and rocket-propelled grenades stormed two outposts near the border of pakistan. the obama administration is heading into its second week of negotiations over strategy in afghanistan. the white house now debating the idea of scaling back troops while military leaders are arguing that they need more in order to secure the country. >>> the top u.s. commander in afghanistan, army general stanley mcchrystal has asked for up to 40,000 more troops. >>> military families were hoping to get the president's attention way unique candlelight display on the ellipse in clear view of the white house. more than 800 empty combat boopz stood at attention symbolizing the 800 plus soldiers killed in afghanistan since the start of the war eight years ago. the families are protesting the war and calling for change in afghanistan. >>> the

the suicide bomb went off in pakistan's border city. security forces tried to stop the bomber when he drove through the compound gate. seconds later, the vehicle exploded. two women and a child were among the dead. this is the latest in a string of deadly militant attacks against pakistan in the last few days. >>> deaths from the h1n1 virus are rising, especially among children. but as kitty pilgrim reports, only a small amount of vaccine needed to combat the outbreak has been shipped. >> reporter: it's week 41 of the swine flu epidemic and the delivery of the vaccine is still uncertain in many parts of the country. the injectable vaccine only shipped this week. >> initially we only had the nasal spray available, now it's about half and half that are available and we'll be coming out to the states relatively soon. >> reporter: cdc says they've ordered enough to provide 251 million doses, but this past monday only a fraction of that order, 9.8 million vaccines, were available to be shipped. only one maker of the swine flu vaccine, sanofi

it took place in the eastern part of the country near the pakistan border. was one of the deadliest days for u.s. troops in afghanistan. the white house is feeling the pull on both sides. on one side, vice president biden who wants to preserve the current troop level and then general stanley mcchrystal who wants more troops. for more, i'm joined by scott wilson with the "washington post." good morning. give us both sides of the argument. >> well, basically what's playing out in the white house is an argument that has vice president biden representing one side which is preserve current combat troop levels, step up predator drone strikes against al qaeda operatives both this pakistan and in afghanistan, and increase -- expedite the troop training for afghan forces. in other words, do not increase the u.s. combat footprint in afghanistan which the vice president is arguing actually helps the taliban present the united states as an occupying force. the other side is the uniformed military which supports general mcchrystal's assessment. if accepted it would great

. >> big nuclear crisis and the afghanistan problem, pakistan problem? this seems like a whimsical five-hour trip that came to defeat. how does this impact the usa? >> it's got to be the worst olympic performance since the jamaican bobsled team in the 1980s. look, you know, presidents don't normally go overseas to high profile meetings like this with a deal at stake unless the deal is close to being closed. whenever presidents don't do that, it usually ends badly like this has. the one ominous parallel is back in 1961, john f kennedy goes to vienna to see crew she. -- krushev. and a year later there were missiles in cuba. and finally, obama is supposed to go back no copenhagen in two months. i don't think he wants to come home 0 for 2 again from copenhagen. that likely mean he's going to be under enormous pressure to make concessions that we probably shouldn't make. >> walter russell meade, is this a self-inflicted wound, a, to president obama's own standing and b, to america's standing? i think you would agree much more about foreign policy? but this is

it will have a dramatic impact on pakistan one day. i really believe that. >> i this great danger now is not an american pullout. the great danger now is a half measure. sort of a you know try to please all ends of the political spectrum. again, i have great sympathy for the president making the toughest decisions presidents have to make but i think he needs to use deliberate speed and i think he needs to adopt a strategy which he has basically articulated last march and before. >> afghanistan commander general stanley mcchrystal proposed deploying anywhere between 10,000 and 40,000 additional u.s. troops and we are hearing some horrific new details about last week's insurgent attack at that u.s. base in afghanistan. in total here, eight americans were killed. and apache chopper pilot describes getting the desperate call for help. >> my initial impressions were we came over the hill, first tried to call them no response. that everybody was gone. we detailed everything around them going to hel and could hear it in their microphones. the

and pakistan were close to capturing osama bin laden in 2005.y were closing in on the interror leader when the intelligence trail suddenly went cold and musharaff calls it a both american and pakistan intelligence. britain is about to let more than two dozen high risk terrorists walk free. many terrorists had their sentences reduced after a british judge ruled that holding them in prison for long periods of time could inflame rather than deter extremism. many terrorists are scheduled to be released next year and the british government is promising to supervise them once they're out. here in the u.s., big city police chiefs are now backing an anti-terrorism community watch program called i-watch. this in an effort to educate people about what behavior is truly suspicious and ought to be reported to police. critics say they'll fall back on racial profiling and others argue it could be helpful to fight, obviously, against terrorism. >> those are your headlines, let's look at the weather with rick. >> guys, and got some pepper stuck in my teeth from

the reason they are in pakistan is because we've kicked them out of afghanistan.now look -- the taliban and al-qaeda they are all the same. they are radical islamists they have a different brand or different objective but the fact is as soon as the taliban take over as you remember before 9/11 pre-9/11, they were protecting the al-qaeda there and they were using afghanistan as a sanctuary in which they hit the united states. why do we want to go back to pre-9/11 and let them hit us again? >> julie: some are saying the request for 40,000 more troops is managers leading. do you think it's going to be less or more? >> i don't really know. how many to support and active combat brigades. how many support, helicopters, artillery, air power, but fact is it's a number that he feels gives him a robust enough force to allow to build up. he is going to have trainers in that number. afghan is harder to build up than iraq was. >> julie: when we talk about ramping up, talk about a surge, it reminds us when president bush ordered the surge of troops in iraq. then senator obama v

the suicide bomb went off in pakistan's border city of perish awar. securitied forces tried to stop the bomber when he drove through the gate, but seconds later the vehicle exploded. two women and a child are among the dead. this is the latest in a string of deadly attacks in just the last few days in pakistan. >>> deaths from the h1n1 virus are rising. especially among children. as kitty pilgrim reports, only a small percentage of the vaccine needed to combat the outbreak has been shipped. >> reporter: it it's week 41 of the swine flu he i democratic, and the delivery of vaccine is still uncertain in many parts of the country. the injectable vaccine only shipped this week. >> initially we only this the nasal spray available, but now it's about half and half that are available and will be coming out towards the states relatively soon. >> reporter: the cdc says they have now ordered enough to provide 251 million doses, but as of this past monday, only a fraction of that order, 9.8 million vaccines, were available to be shipped. only one maker of the sw

laden is alive and hiding in pakistan.t the taliban shura is hiding in the south western area. >> we've long suspected that osama bin laden is in this area of pakistan that's not very well governed on the border of afghanistan. and that is why senator biden, now vice president biden -- i worked for him once, so i called him senator there -- is saying that we need to focus our counterterrorism efforts on pakistan and that, you know, things are starting to go pretty well. these drones are start to go work well. we're working closely with the pakistani military, and maybe one of these days we're going to get close to bin laden. >> you read "the wall street journal," a good lead editorial, pakistan's foreign minister says the very debate going on in the united states, are we going to get in? are we going to put in more troops? he says, that sends a signal of indecision that is very, very costly to american credibility. >> we'll talk about this more. it's good to have you here, jamie rubin. >>> moving on with news. president ob

. >>> officials in pakistan say a hostage standoff at their army head quarters is over. a military spokesman said four militants and three hostages are dead after troops launched a rescue operation this morning. but an alleged militant's leader was captured. the militants got into the headquarters yesterday after storming a checkpoint outside. they held dozens of people hostage for 18 hours. terrorist strikes in pakistan seemed to be picking up with at least three attacks just in the past seven days. >>> some new york muslims say they are being singled out in a terrorist investigation. they held a protest yesterday as investigators look into the actions of suspect najibullah zazi. now, they accuse law enforcement of racial profiling and they say they're neighborhood has been disrupted by police raids. one of the men questioned in the probe spoke out at the protest. khan has been under surveillance since the probe began. >> people are scared to go to mosques. i was yesterday in the mosque for friday prayer. we are missing about two or three lines, plus the racial profilin

he visited pakistan recently.eek somebody in the intel community told me good news, we are actually doing better in pakistan. afghanistan not going so well, but all of the horror stories about pakistan that we used to hear, well, we may not hear them so much in the future. did you find the same thing, that we are actually making progress in pakistan against the taliban and al qaeda? >> amazingly enough i did find we were making progress. i had the sense of a country coming apart in april. it was like being in moscow in 1916 on the eve of the revolution. that feeling is really gone. i was up in the swat valley, as you said, and i was just east across the border from where jim's report was set, and i was able to see what a determined army conducting a serious counter insurgency campaign with enough troops can do. in other words, the conditions that general mcchrystal was describing that he would like to see in afghanistan, and finally after botching it over and over and applied in the swat valley, they put in ten ti

the distraction about what is really going on with pakistan, try to decouple afghanistan and pakistanan: every credible poll shows that americans are against obama care. are they trying to intimidate? what is the strategy here? >> the fact that the fact checking is so appalling, what does that say a but other news networks? -- what does that say about other news networks? why do they not go after msnbc? sean: because he has got his head so far -- because he gets a thrill up his leg every time the president speaks. he is an extension of the white house press office. >> let me try to be a little bit fair and balanced, which i think is the expression of this network. the opinion programs on fox at night, which is what they are, just as they are on msnbc, opinion programs, more liberal, who are supposed to be just that, and i have no problem with that -- more liberal, are supposed to be just that, and i have no problem with that. there are a lot of shows on fox, including yours, and you are entitled to your opinions. they are entitled to be angry about it and fight back. sean: a great phi

pakistan won't let this resolve, and that an assault will begin soon. >> afghanistan is edging closer to a long awaited resolution, august presidential vote, as they recount suspect ballots. and there could be a ruling next week if there is a secon round run-off. there was allegations of widespread vote rigging. there is many partof asia realing, let's take you first to the flooding that's forced millions from their homes in india. at least 230 are killed and army and navy are getting food into the villagers. we have this report. >> across much of southern india the rain has taken its toll. entire villages are washed away or cut off by the water. for those left behind it's a struggle for safety. many have left their homes with only their clothes and what they can salvage. and now they are desperate. >> water has come into our village and we have lost our homes. are left with no food or safe drinking water. i brought this food from the chief's home and if it's the same every year, how can we live our life. the government needs to take immediate action to find a permanent solution. >> t

authorities in pakistan say dozens more were injured in what appears to be a suicide car bombing targeting a military vehicle near the swat valley where the pakistani army has been battling the taliban for control. >>> thousands of gay rights supporters say they want equality in marriage and an end to the military's don't ask, don't tell policy. they're saying they want action on president obama's pledge to end the policy that bans openly gay men and lesbians from the military. one says he gets calls from military members who say they are fine with it but the president says it is time for change. >> we are moving ahead on don't ask, don't tell. we should not -- we should not be punishing patriotic americans who have stepped forward to serve this country. we should be celebrating their willingness to show such courage and selflessness on behalf of their fellow citizens especially when we're fighting two wars. >> some gay rights supporters say that it will be difficult to get rid of don't ask, don't tell and that president obama is not doing enough. you'll hear from two people on both sides

>>>pakistan soldiers free after being held hostage all day in the country's army headquarters. it happened about an hour ago. the building was stormed 24 hours ago in advance of an offensive on a stronghold. six soldiers and four militants were killed in the initial fighting. the pakistani government promised to hold on the border with afghanistan in response to bomb thag killed 49 people yesterday. >>>afghanistan's defense minister is asking for more troops to fight a violent surge from the taliban. >>that is happening while president obama debates whether to send more troops into the fight. >>reporter: president obama plans to meet with his national security team again next wednesday to try and decide how many troops to send to afghanistan. yesterday jl stanny mccrystal made his request to the president and officials at the white house. that's his ideal. he presented other options with different troop counts. he says the next 12 months in afghanistan are crucial and will decide whether the war is winnable. a step up would be an addition to those already committed there. the p

insurgents killed americans in the deadliest battle in more than one year near the border with pakistan. we will have more on this story in a report from washington korea and the ravens are dealt their first defeat of the season in their game against the patriots -- a report from washington. the ravens were doubt their first defeat. first, it was billed as the first drive through a clinic in the u.s. thousands were vaccinated against the seasonal flu, and it was all free. melissa carlson is live with details. >> the word was out. an estimated one hour, and some 5600 people were vaccinated, and hundreds of people still had to be turned away at the free seasonal fluke look at. they had thousands of people spending their morning in their car, but off for a good reason. people just rolled right up and either received the shot or the mist. they need a one-month break before they get that h1n1 shot. maryland will get some 31,000 flu mists to go to the most at risk groups in october. howard county officials say they are ready to get them out. >> for h1n1, we are doing 103 separate clinics, inc

drone attack in pakistan.l officials there say two missiles hit a village near pakistan's border with afghanistan killing 25 people. it is not clear if those people were militants or civilians. pakistani military and political officials say that a militant hide out was hit. now, the u.s. doesn't comment on strikes like this, but it is the only country with the presence in the region that is known to be able to fire missiles from remote control drones. the attacks have caused friction with pakistan's government. >>> a driver in a rush hour accident is lucky to be alive today. passing motorists not only stopped just in time to help him, but one caught his truck exploding on camera. >>> taugs talking about getting there in the nick of time, several drivers raced the pull the driver out just before the truck exploded. someone recorded that fire with a cell phone camera, as you can see. the accident happened just outside st. louis during rush hour yesterday. the driver got out without any major injuries. >>> a ragi

once we moved in, they moved across the bored near pakistan. that's -- border into pakistan. that's where they're believed to be now. they would go back to pakistan in a second. it's for the administration to figure out what do we do. the real point to go into pakistan was to knock out al qaeda, not to sort of re-engineer the population and civilization of afghanistan. gretchen: the whole nation building argument. >> it's not really reconstruction because it was never construction to begin with. it's start from scratch. brian: there is a theory that these taliban don't recognize the difference between afghanistan and pakistan. do you want the taliban with nuclear weapons? if you take pakistan, that's what you get. >> right. i don't know if we're quite at that point where they take over pakistan of the but those areas are more tribal than they are. the borders that have been imposed are regarded as something that they don't really pay attention to. the tribes have regions. that's what they recognize. gretchen: you said some of the al qaeda may be three or four miles away from