can the car is two hours from pakistan by car. the full support of the pakistan military. my understanding, what we should say is increasing support. that is at least my interpretation. so obviously there is something, a question that has never been answered in the u.s., how the u.n. when the people are actually helping the taliban at the same time. how did you do this? you are giving your logistics' and at the same time they are supporting the taliban and at the same time you are giving a lot of money to pakistan and especially the pakistani military. all of that, and indian policy that is absolutely sure to make islamabad. and all of that going on. you cannot have, for example, in new delhi one day. the other day the general came for intervention. it is just not possible. the cannot have both. this is the key problem. i am not even sure that it was a good idea. as a person, to do that. but as a concept it has failed. we were to organize it, and it failed. it never produced between afghanistan, pakistan, and india. not even really on the table. so here is the problem. now

province connected with pakistan.a very positive prognostication about mineral wealth and pipeline deals and so on. is the classy than a quarter full in your view? is there nothing good that is going on? >> thank you for the question because it it is good to make two points. first leg -- is to be right or wrong and basically i used to be called pessimistic or whatever. was i right two or three years ago? it seems i was right. was i right in 2003 when i was writing about the taliban coming back to afghanistan? i was right so the problem was not that i was pessimistic. that is my first . the second is, and this is a key element, when i am pessimistic, it is about certain element of the afghan situation. when you were basically pulling billions of dollars in afghanistan, of course you are creating an economy that is very dynamic. the real estate in kabul right now is undone, the prices have increased and then you have a very dynamic afghan society. the problem is that it is very fragile and it is artificial twister to ex

pakistan is a sovereign country. pakistan handling pakistan's challenges. they should be a contribution to our activities and then being a detriment. what i have seen in my time in visiting and talking is that i never would have guessed that the type of activities that the pakistanis are engaged in, that we ever would have seen that. 18 months ago, when never would have seen that. the pakistanis have realized the threat inside their own country. that threat is not focused against afghanistan in all of those situations. are we seeing a cooperation to go after this thread in all situations? i think so. the intelligence is on the border. the monthly meetings we have now between the leaders on both sides of the border to coordinate the crossings on both sides of the borders and to make sure the trails where ammunition comes across are starting to become monitored on a regular basis. that activity is moving along in the last two months that has in the preceding months. pakistanis are clearly focused on the threats to their country first. there are those that tho

in the case of pakistan, there is the issue of building trust between pakistan and the u.s. and getting over the mistrust our countries have towards one another. it is something that would require a level of engagement. i am not certain at this point who or how the u.s. government intends to replace what he brought to the table. >> just as a final thought from you. how would you sum up richard holbrooke in a sentence? >> he was a man of great passions and he was quite capable of being seen as very forceful. he was not a soft spoken diplomat all the time. he made it into an art form to deliver the tough message in a tough manner. at the same time, he was an affable man who could joke and had a great sense of humor. and make others feel at ease. he tried very hard to show people that he was not just all ego but he was also someone who was concerned about their concerns. >> we have the former ambassador who spoke more to me earlier. >> richard holbrooke was my friend for 45 years. a colleague during much of that. and very close. i was in close touch with him in his most recent

can the car is two hours from pakistan by car. the full support of the pakistan military.hat we should say is increasing support. that is at least my interpretation. so obviously there is something, a question that has never been answered in the u.s., how the u.n. when the people are actually helping the taliban at the same time. how did you do this? you are giving your logistics' and at the same time they are supporting the taliban and at the same time you are giving a lot of money to pakistan and especially the pakistani military. all of that, and indian policy that is absolutely sure to make islamabad. and all of that going on. you cannot have, for example, in new delhi one day. the other day the general came for intervention. it is just not possible. the cannot have both. this is the key problem. i am not even sure that it was a good idea. as a person, to do that. but as a concept it has failed. we were to organize it, and it failed. it never produced between afghanistan, pakistan, and india. not even really on the table. so here is the problem. now, what are we going

should talk indian dog and pakistan should talk so let it be. triangular approach with all the parties concerned are talking to each other and on the second hand what we are saying that if these talks are to mean anything on the ground let the government of india take some measures some concrete confidence building measures on the ground to give some relief to the common muscles because in all of the perception here is that you can't have talks on the one hand and killings on the other hand for the last five months we have seen what happened this new you have lost hundred twelve innocent you all unarmed noncombatants students but there doesn't seem to be an accountability for the government sites if the government of india is saying that we are going to have a solution or a conduit of a solution the next two months the fact is of the who doesn't know anything about that so if this statement is to mean anything let the government if india address some of the issues which we have given to them i mean we have identified four important issues in ter

evidence is unequivocal that the government of pakistan, and the military leadership of pakistan, aids and abets those sanctuaries. we have clear evidence to that... that fact. that's the reality. it's not a question of unable or unwilling. >> warner: tension in the u.s.- pakistani relationship was reflected today in news that the cia station chief in islamabad has left the country. his cover had been blown when he was named in a lawsuit over the drone attacks. the associated press quoted a pakistani officer who said the country's intelligence service knew the man's identity, but had no clue how it was leaked. so why won't u.s. ally pakistan root out insurgents within its borders? for that, we turn to shuja nawaz, directs the atlantic council's south asia center and authored its recent report, "pakistan in the danger zone." he just returned from a trip there, and meetings with senior military officials. and christine fair, an assistant professor at georgetown's school of foreign service. she was last in pakistan over the summer. welcome back to you both. beginning with you shuja nawaz,

that the key to this are those sanctuaries in pakistan? >> well, i would add to that the sanctuaries in pakistan but also the governance piece in afghanistan. because we can kill as many taliban as we want, but, one, if they can go back to pakistan, that's not going to ultimately be successful. but we can clear an area, which is what we're doing in some areas of the south. i agree the momentum of the taliban in some areas have been halted and in some case reversed but then what steps into that void? we can't stay there and hold that territory forever. that's where the afghan government more is to step in. and so far there's been a pretty consistent track record that has been ineffective in stepping into these voids and providing good governance. and i think this is where i think we need to recognize that there's been a divergence in the interests on... in terms of what president karzai's interests are in afghanistan, which i think ultimately are political survival, which is often achieved through developing these patronage networks and sup

they are staying in pakistan. it is key taliban -- the taliban fighters that are moving into afghanistan occurred >. >> is al qaeda not in afghanistan because we of troops there? >> you know the answer. the argument, if i may interrupt is do you really need 100,000 troops for them to come in, and vice president joe biden argued, look, if we control the intelligence, control the air space, have sufficient special operations forces, we can make sure al qaeda does not come back into afghanistan. i am trying to think like president bush on what would joe sixpack think of this. there seems to be a disconnect, no? >> when you look at what we are trying to do and afghanistan as expressed by president obama in the march, 2009, white paper and the december 1, 2009 speech in west point. it is minimal -- to deny, disrupt and to dismantle al qaeda. it is pretty minimal. at the same time, there is the assumption that an order for you to do that in afghanistan you have to create or you have to go down some pretty maximize means

the cables refer to a deteriorating security in pakistan. there is mention of an attack by extremists on a bus carrying nuclear workers. the russian official told the u.s. but 120,000 people are directly involved in pakistan's nuclear programs. there is no way, he says, to guarantee that they are all 100% loyal and reliable. concerns over the security of pakistan's nuclear material are not new. but the language used in these confidential diplomatic cables gives us the clearest picture yet of what western governments really fear. al qaeda or its affiliates getting its hands on enough material from pakistan to build and detonate a nuclear device. >> no nuclear material has been stolen, but it has been offered by some scientists on the black market. individuals even met with al qaeda leadership to talk with -- to talk about exchanging nuclear materials. the concern is that if that material and up in the wrong hands, the consequences of that are enormous. >> this would all be deeply unwelcome in pakistan, where many accuse the west already of de

and pakistan security. i have seen general el haq and talk to general el haq this morning and he says he is happy now that he is not handling policy and he can speak from the heart and speak frankly and he looks forward to your questions. so i'm going to give them that opportunity and challenge you when you do ask questions, to ask a question please do not do what i'm doing now in making a speech. and also, because general el haq was kind enough to fit a sin in an opportunity he had this morning in a schedule, he has an appointment he has to make right afterward so i'm going to break with tradition and i'm going to have to jentleson make his presentation and then we will break for questions at that point and the general is going to have to leave. so i will reintroduce them. thank you very much. general el haq. >> this is indeed a privilege to have an opportunity to share my thoughts at this distinguished form. and i speak on two points. first, i will briefly talk about the situation in pakistan and the chal

can the car is two hours from pakistan by car. the full support of the pakistan military. my understanding, what we should say is increasing support. that is at least my interpretation. so obviously there is something, a question that has never been answered in the u.s., how the u.n. when the people are actually helping the taliban at the same time. how did you do this? you are giving your logistics' and at the same time they are supporting th taliban and at the same time you are giving a lot of money to pakistan and especially the pakistani military. all of that, and indian policy that is absoluty sure to make islamabad. and all of that going on. you cannot have, for example, in new delhi one day. the other day the general came for intervention. it is just not possible. the cannot have both. this is the key problem. i am not even sure that it was a good idea. as a person, to do that. but as a concept ithas failed. we were to organize it, and it failed. it never produced between afghanistan, pakistan, and india. not even really on the table. so here is the problem. now, wh

diplomacy on p5, but not pakistan. i was just curious as we look at 2011. >> would you like to go first? >> i think basically, i'm one of those who admires what india has done. i think what one would like to do is indian, you know, take on the responsibility of the power in that area; right? and each out to his neighbors; right? and not repeat, you know, -- or belabor or beat box where this thing is at. i think pakistan definitely realized there is need to engage with india. i think pakistan is looking forward to that. i think every time something comes up, the leadership has taken on. i think perhaps india and diplomacy there has been lacking. india diplomacy has not shown the maturity. if you remember, i talked about china. china has a lot of problems. you know, et cetera, et cetera, it is an active order problem. but yet it came. and obviously here's the stories about the united states, you know, propping up india for china. yet it moved to establish those economic links between the limited transfer. i think that is

china reaches out to pakistan. the chinese premier offers economic and political support in islamabad. welcome to "gmt." a world of news and opinion. also on the program -- zimbabwe's fragile coalition government under severe strain. does mugabe want elections early next year? shia muslims are around the world marking the holiest day in their calendar amid tight security. it is midday in london, 5:00 p.m. in islamabad and 9:00 p.m. in tokyo where china's growing power prompted a major shift in military strategy. the japanese government announced plans to overhaul the fences, with an emphasis on china's military buildup to the south, as china looks to tie it up billions of dollars of trade deals with pakistan. more from islam about in a moment but forced the report from tokyo on a move china is already calling irresponsible -- more from islamabad in a moment. >> japan is reshaping its defense in response to the shifting balance of power in asia. cutting the number of tanks in the north and expanding forces in the so

because pakistan also administers one third of kashmir so for us a solution to the kashmir problem has to be has to emerge in totality between the indian side of kush meet and the pakistan of side of kashmir and then we can talk about peace and stability in the region what is it when you speak to the indian government what is it that the. conference is looking for what is it what is the solution in your mind again before talk about a solution i think we have to talk about the process and that is where exactly we are feel for the last so many years that yes india pakistan have talked about kashmir many times but it has been no you know i mean there is no process in motion as far as the two countries are concerned same is the case between delhi and that yes we started talking with the government of india two thousand four thousand five hundred sixty but unfortunately there was no follow back in the sense that one government was there then the next government came there was no there was no process in motion so what we are saying is basically that there are only two ways resolve the proble

well pakistan i think the pakistani government is. playing a dual role they are saying to their own people we don't want these arabs on our territory and yet they are allowing and in fact the united states has given them something like three billion dollars extra military aid as a surprise to a school that had taken a look at military operations there and is a millionaire state of pakistan of course the security of the saudis is always a great great story. the answer concern that we have in the us of our own net or security i think most nations are taking this new course in a pretty lively quite honestly they're using it to scare the citizenry that they themselves are not taking steps that are really necessary to secure in those facilities we just had a trial in washington state. in the united states where five people were able to tunnel by defenses against in the nuclear area like three hours so the united states does not take its own security. with this much concern is cause american citizens and i'm certainly concerned for sure abo

know where these people are inside pakistan-- there are whole neighborhoods of taliban in pakistan area. they have their phone numbers. the afghans have this information, the u.s. has it, the pakistanis have it but no one is acting on it which really begs the question, because the big -- is what happens if there is another 9/11 that originates in pakistan. somehow, the intelligence agencies are clinging to the idea that the pakistanis will get that information and be able to warn us. it's not going to happen. it's a pipe dream. you have to deal with the reality which is that the vast majority of terrorist leaders that threaten the united states today are located inside pakistan. the u.s. is failing to deal with that. >> schieffer: all right. i want to stop and have plenty of time here because here is when i am going to put you on the line. get your predictions of what you think is going to happen next year. and i must say, this panel's record is very good. it was 100%-- the correspondents who were on our end of the year show last year, 100% of their predictions came true. our legal corr

has something changed in pakistan? no. have recaptured, killed, or brought into the negotiation table the taliban leadership? no. have we defeated al qaeda? no. so the search is brought a temporary effect. -- the surge has brought a temporary effect. the one reason i emphasize time and again, the narrative of this mission is not as it was six years ago, four years ago. people try to create a reductionist agenda. the basics are the same. the same al qaeda, the same taliban, the same deceptive pakistan, the same agenda for the jihadist groups. the taliban taking back part of afghanistan, will they be able to threaten our key and national interest? when they did helped al qaeda to do 9/11, they had the same weapons. think of it from another perspective. they are creating a perception of defeat. by resolved and sticking to an ideology and converting fertilizer to i e d s, and having sanctuary in the trouble there is a pakistan, you can bring it down. -- in the tribal areas of pakistan, you can bring it down. this is a narrativ

they're in pakistan. but our troops aren't even allowed into pakistan because the pakistanis supposedly our allies don't want us there. if they have a safe haven in pakistan, we can never meet the president's goals bringing us to a critical question. why are we even there? >> joining us tonight, two people with strong thoughts on this question. we have peter galbraff, former diplomat. in 2009 he served as the united nations deputy special representative for afghanistan where he helped uncover fraud in the presidential elections. andrew axim was in afghanistan and pakistan and worked with general mcchrystal as a civilian adviser. peter, andrew, welcome. >> thank you. >> good to be with you. >> peter, so the question is, why are we in afghanistan? we know that al qaeda and affiliates are growing stronger in other places, yemen and northern africa and certainly in pakistan. so, why do we have a quarter of our military in afghanistan? >> well, obviously, if our goal is to combat al qaeda, it makes no sense to

military and intelligence community from afghanistan to pakistan i guess the u.s. commander in afghanistan has a bigger fish to fry than to waste his style his energy and credibility and respect and attention from his troops leveraging our propre of praise on the architect of the drug promotion strategy in afghanistan and the main defender of the opium cultivation all across the country we choose to be general at the trio's when the men know if general to stick with his praise to richard holbrooke calling him the titan of the us policy in afghanistan and pakistan he might as well make his mission guilty by association he might be stuck with the mission creep which will be described as a titanic fubar both in afghanistan and across the border in pakistan. america's involvement in so many conflicts over the years because the many u.s. soldiers beginning to doubt it is just cause for it a special report is coming your way in just over an hour's time but hasn't. that are killing innocent kids or was it a call of course and that's never around. when the skull still. i t

the only group in pakistan -- the number of them in pakistan was only a few hundred. when the afghan jihadists started, in the first seven years, there were only two ji hadists on the globe. beforehand, the head of lashkar- e-taiba had started ati. jihad. there was a teacher at the university of technology who taught islamic studies. they chose him to head the small group. it became known as lashkar-e- taiba. in afghanistan, when you read the in-house propaganda and publications, you do not find these people fighting the soviets. they are fighting fellow muslims. when the afghan jihad was coming to an end, the group took a more formal form. that philosophy was to convert to pakistani babies . jihad was part of their philosophy. a lot of people in the west talk about the high as a peaceful struggle. i do not really agree with that concept. d. hawaii, as i understand, all with--been -- jihad has always been an attempt to establish an islamic state. jihad is an easy word to use in english in the west. that is why it has become more known. in jihadi propaganda, they do no

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both in afghanistan and across the border in pakistan. and america's involvement in so many conflicts over the years has led to many us soldiers beginning to doubt this just calls for it especially reporters coming away from the day that it takes them. they are killing innocent kids i was a call of course and that's never a. song from the skull still with me i think of it every day. the flyers fired from their memories and. assume most a long time just here trying to help. i was assure you. i was ashamed that i had been. i was ashamed that i hadn't been a hero while. i got my legs. would go. forward. that i'll believe what i was going on was the right thing. that i was a good soldier. for the most soldier on the other side and i think i'm just not good. from stalin's a scone to soviet indifference the deaf in russia have not had an easy time even now they live in limbo the russians signed that which is not officially recognized and many say social attitudes can be a problem too but deaf people are finding ways of making themselves heard.

here in america, afghanistan, africa or pakistan. the way to overcome that i think is through education and also with having courage and compassion. instead of building walls we need to build peace and have the courage to do that. so i went back to pakistan in 94 and brought the school supplies and finally got to the village and the man was again there to greet me. he shook his head and said, chizle what the heck. not only had i come back, he said you've made two big mistakes. we don't start building before wintertime and if you really want to build school we're going to have to build a bridge first and i hadn't really thought about that. so i came back to america and raised 10,000 more dollars. and then i got back from tack stan and bridge got built and no school yet. i was 38 years old, die hard bachelor and all i could think was getting that school built. i went to a fund raise er the fair month in san francisco where my hero was speaking. it was getting late and people were nodding off and he was going on and on about the queens

pakistan and india. others warn of nuclear terrorism. the major concern is that someone working in the facility could gradually smuggle enough material out to make a weapon. again and again, the tables referred to deteriorating security in pakistan. there is mention of attack by extremists on a bus carrying workers. 120,000 people are directly involved in pakistan's nuclear and missile programs. there is no way, he said, to guarantee they are 100% reliable and loyal. concerns over the security of pakistan's nuclear materials are not new. the language used in these confidential cables gives us the clearest picture yet of what western governments fear. al qaeda or its affiliates getting their hands on enough material from pakistan to build themselves a crude nuclear device. >> no nuclear material has been stolen. it has been offered by some scientists on the black market. individuals met with al qaeda is leadership to talk about exchanges of nuclear material. the concern is if that material into in the wro

pakistan may be the most important country but what pakistan will do, " we can do with pakistan, depends a great deal on their perception and believe that we're corps to stay in afghanistan. if we're going to stay in afghanistan, then they have options about government reform and taking on the insurgents. they would not perceive themselves to have those if we are going to leave. i think the pakistani analysis as mine is the same. they're realistic choices are between backing a potential taliban victory, which might be somewhat more friendly to them, or risking a taliban defeat by the northern alliance victory. they may see other choices. that is not a view of the one -- we want them to be deeply engaged in. pakistan may be the more important questions -- country but it does not mean that you have an alternative. you need to handle the two together. >> of french philosophers said once during the days of the sailing ships that shipped as i have a port, no wind will get there. i listened as carefully as i could. the day after we defeat al qaeda, that is no longer our goal then i hear it tha

currently uses unmanned drones to strike at suspected insurgents in pakistan often killing civilians by mistake islam abad calls the attacks a violation of the country's sovereignty for more on this we go live to jason dietz a new set of very antiwar dot com good to talk to you so what's your take on all this how likely is it that the u.s. and its allies should want to send special forces into pakistan well i think they want to do so for quite some time but whether they can actually do so without completely discrediting the pakistani government another matter nato has already used unmanned drones to strike militants on pakistan's territory what's the difference of special forces do likewise well be. the drone strikes have been largely a product of the cia and having an actual military ground force in your country is i guess psychologically at least a different matter than having the drones flying overhead over the tribal areas so what pak what can pakistan actually do to stop its border from being breached by nato drones and ground troops can they deploy their own soldiers to meet th

and pakistan security. i have seen general el haq and talk to general el haq this morning and he says he is happy now that he is not handling policy and he can speak from the heart and speak frankly and he looks forward to your questions. so i'm going to give them that opportunity and challenge you when you do ask questions, to ask a question please do not do what i'm doing now in making a speech. and also, because general el haq was kind enough to fit a sin in an opportunity he had this morning in a schedule, he has an appointment he has to make right afterward so i'm going to break with tradition and i'm going to have to jentleson make his presentation and then we will break for questions at that point and the general is going to have to leave. so i will reintroduce them. thank you very much. general el haq. >> this is indeed a privilege to have an opportunity to share my thoughts at this distinguished form. and i speak on two points. first, i will briefly talk about the situation in pakistan and the chal

of course that was a very prickly issue for pakistan.he, perhaps, faced so much criticism from pakistan and also from afghans as well from the afghan leadership. the skills that have brought him so far in his diplomacy, his very tough position when he need to be tough. the afghans of course liked to sit around and talk a lot. people joke about three cups of tea. people joke about 14 cups of tea. that style of long-term talking discussing, listening, often not really coming to a conclusion was a very tough style for richard holbrooke to get to know him but being a consummate diplomat, that is what he brought with him. but of course it did rough people up the wrong way here at times. that was a skill that he was -- he was learning on the job here to deal with politicians in this part of the world. >> nick, thank you so much. i know it must be the middle of the night over in kabul. thank you for joining us tonight. >>> i want to ask the table, what was mr. holbrooke accomplishing in pakistan? how was he doing in that part of the world? >> w

>> no we have to have pakistan's cooperation. i was just in pakistan in april.ing with the leaders impressing on them how important it is they cooperate with the united states and they themselves pursue the taliban into the areas of pakistan, whether it is in the northwest tribal regions, federally administered tribal areas. they have to be active in pursuing the taliban. we can't be successful in that region if they are not cooperative partners with us. they have to do their job to help us defeat the taliban. jenna: you're going back to afghanistan? do you have a trip planned in the future for the new year? >> i love to get back there in the new year. i love to go back. it is great to sit down with men and women in uniform especially on the front lines. they're doing such a great job. you really understand what it takes when you talk to them and you understand the high level of morale they have and focus they have on accomplishing this mission. it really lifts you up when you go there to visit with them. jenna: speaking with you makes it feel closer to them and

pakistan's accounted terrorism strategy has serious issues. -- pakistan's counterterrorism strategy has serious issues. there are short and long-term objectives in this strategy. the counterterrorism authority has been formulated, but has not yet been fully functional. there are adverse affects that i feel our training political consensus on our counterterrorism strategy. montforts agencies have been clearly highlighted. there has been a serious lack of capacity to drain the terrorists' financial and logistical support. in my view, and the center of levity of terrorism and extremism reside in the ideology rather than leadership. the leadership is being targeted to a tax. unfortunately, work on developing an alternate their attempt to defeat the ideology of hate has not been prominent. i will briefly talk about the relationship between al qaeda and the taliban. this is a fundamental question with strategic connotations for several reasons. firstly, because it was a perceived allegiance to the taliban by al qaeda before 9/11, this led to the invasion of afghanistan. secondly, as the unite

nato forces and the pakistan forces however the pakistan government does not seem to. be very forthcoming in trying to expedite the relationships between the two military forces all right we'll have to leave it there michael marcella vice president of the washington d.c. chapter of veterans for peace good to talk to. belarus is getting is taking much heat over the way it handled the country's presidential elections hundreds of people gathered to contest alexander lukashenko is when the protests turned violent and around six hundred of the protesters got arrested the majority of them still in custody the e.u. has condemned the arrests and is calling for the release of all protesters artie's catarina explains how about unfold. this is a. ruse the new start. accounting for this is unfair and. probably over. the people may have deserved better but what they got instead was more of the same. public good it's from the bottom of my heart i would like to kank my supporters and congratulate them on a victory. so you are not from my opponent so i have to inform you on the saddes

if there are boots on the ground from the united states inside pakistan, i don't think any pakistan government or anybody in the -- will be able to sustain that without immediately reacting. the first thing they will do is stop all of the supply routes. i would say to start but that is the first thing they should do. the second thing of course and i strongly feel that there is an attack on pakistan, they will fight back on the issues but i think that would be a total disaster. that would escalate the situation out-of-control. i think that should not even come -- and i saw that article which came out yesterday in "the new york times." i think basically i mean the little bit that i understand it is confined to the general mass of people and pakistan. [inaudible] and a i say to you that there are pakistani intelligence but the fact that american boots being on the ground, that would be a disaster. >> well, of course i mean it is not even a rational. i mean it is very strange. i don't know who are the sources in "the new york times" very clearly but i hope it was just an overoptimistic article. th

and pakistan he put together a very good team. the upcoming review of the strategy will have his mark all over it. in many ways he was indefatigable. he never stopped. often on the plane traveling to pakistan and afghanistan he would still be reading while we were all sleeping in the back of the plane. he was at home at the white house, a cocktail party, or on the ground in afghanistan. >> joining me now from afghanistan is the director for afghanistan central asia. we have heard the tributes, but what do you believe of the significance of his loss as seen from government circles in afghanistan and pakistan? >> i think that it is a great loss for the world, absolutely. especially for the u.s.. i think that he has a reputation as a great negotiator and diplomat. a few things happen whereby his success in this arena did not match his early success. there were a few things that were very important. the general impression in afghanistan and pakistan as highlighted, the entire civilian aspect. he played a role in surviving the bill wit

china has provided pakistan with military hardware but what does pakistan have to give in return? they are offering themselves as a trade route. this would give chinese quicker access to valuable markets in the middle east and europe and an opportunity to build on that by developing industry in western china. >> the viability and the potential of this trade and energy is huge. china is certainly going to use this in 10 years. this will be very important for china. >> china has already invested heavily but this is still not fully functional. beijing will need more assurances about infrastructure and the security that will be provided if goods travel through pakistan. this is the pakistan-china friendship center which will be inaugurated by the prime minister during his visit. there are very few signs that they will stop being friends any time in the near future. there is some recognition that pakistan has to do a bit more than offering up their strategic location and friendship if they're going to keep the chinese investing here. >> when it comes to investing in the future, a few t