/pakistan relations. we'll be hear prosecution the former pakistani ambassador to the u.s., husain haqqani, on various issues that may include drone airstrikes and, of course, the search for osama bin land. again live here, we're just waiting for the participants to take the stage here at the atlantic council. n. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> again, we're here at the atlantic council live in washington, d.c. for a discussion about the rise of islamic political parties in pakistan. we'll be hearing from the former pakistani ambassador to the u.s., husain haqqani. they are running a few minutes late here. they should start within ten minutes or so. and while we wait for this discussion to begin, we're going to take a look at a segment from this morning's "washington journal" talking about funding the united nations, their daily operations and their peacekeeping missions. >> host: in our last hour here, we take a look at how taxpayer dollars are being spent,

pakistan instead of afghanistan. she says that the afghans have paid a heavy price for pakistan's treachery. willem marx talks about the border region between pakistan and afghanistan and iran, an area called balochistan, and the civil conflict that is happening there. this is about whatever. >> -- one hour. >> you're going to look, good evening and thank you for coming. you will look at a beautiful picture but that's willem. part of the place i know well and i recorded from as well. make a sign if you can't hear me. i'm going to tell you about "the wrong enemy" which is my book. "the wrong enemy: america in afghanistan, 2001-2014". it's the story of the war. i reported that for over 10 years from afghanistan. also in pakistan. i wanted to write a book for two reasons. the title tells part of it. it's a quote from richard holbrooke who was america's special envoy to afghanistan and pakistan as you know before he died in the last two years. he once said to the british foreign secretary in fact, maybe we are fighting t

of pakistan talking about pakistan being a laboratory for islam. and so when pakistan was created, all the religious groups at that time, it was founded in 1941. [speaking in native tongue] all three major organized islamist groups at that time opposed the idea of pakistan because they did not agree with the westernized leadership for pakistan. but once pakistan was created, they saw an opportunity. they saw that now there was a overwhelming majority of muslims concentrated and, therefore, it was easier to demand an islamic way of life or an islamic system of governance as they called it. and when in 1953 the first major religious riots took place in pakistan, in punjab, and it was

keeping pakistan stable. making sure the alliances making sure that the alliance is a various power ropers remained and perhaps in nawaz sharif's case, trying to make sure he doesn't get outflanked on the right, so therefore putting a lot of credence into, at least in public, into discussions and negotiations with the ttp, with the taliban to at least convince the public something is being done, were most outside observers have healthy skepticism about whether the ads are going to make a lot of progress. so in other words, trying to work within a world that it is, rather than imagining a world that could be better. i think that is something educated pakistan's fine and want deflating large collection that could have given this man who has twice been prime minister before another chance. he seems to be doing the same kind of cautious politics that he did before and the leader of the military, nawaz sharif seems to be playing it cautious game as well. so sadly, those of us and i count myself among them, who loo

and in pakistan.it's an eastern democracy a democracy and the husband and done i opened the back of one of the ba team in pakistan in pakistan toward institutions to visit and is among the additional their identities and upset the establishment in the end of the i heart is in cottage tuesday the next thing to an extent with the militant organizations horoscope readings below the age of the park to him and with easter the extremists in plumbing who tore it open again but this team and is a proper movement and the stooges are trying to criticism that depict what is he an account of why i don't mean getting back in stock when it up with the establishment. it's unsustainable. you know they think that's one of the media and the kids back on you seen the media hype. the reviews and compare them against you must appeal for psu new group of people you know what this comes up with the end the contest at a meeting concerning the band is still going on in pakistan has begun to consume and animation and can we be

. >> the military runs things in pakistan. and the intelligence service is part of the military, is part of the military. and as you know, since independence, they've had more time under military government than under civilian government in pakistan. they've had these coup and these military dictatorships. the military just believes this is the way to go. the taliban rose up and they quickly go to them and now this is the only thing i think they know how to, they really believe they're defending pakistan's interests. and ensuring a client state in afghanistan and they will continue doing it until one stops them. >> rose: we conclude this evening with a new film called hateship and loveship it stars kristen wiig and stars liza johnson. >> better take it off please and wrap it up. >> wonderful. >> i think it's kind of an interesting character to see these days someone that's so socially and isn't really in the world that we live in. she's sort of like in her own little world in this house taking care of this woman and she gets s

>> we are right next to pakistan. >> india and pakistan were once one country, ripped apart in one oft, ill-considered partitions imaginable. beyond there, no more fence? >> no more fences. >> so once you get past there, you can go straight into pakistan if you want? >> the problem is, the thing is, india is trying to stop people from coming in, infiltrators, drug dealers, terrorists. >> he is working on a documentary about the india/pakistan border. >> no one wants to go to pakistan. >> no one wants to? >> in their right mind, to go into pakistan. >> that's a fairly decisive statement. so they put up the fence but the fence is on the indian side. >> yeah. it's 115 meters from the border. >> so beyond that fence, still indian farmland. >> yes. >> so people who live over here can farm over there. >> farm over there. >> the punjab is a fertile region in an otherwise very dry country. this is india's bread basket. with over a billion people currently residing in india, every inch of fertile punjabi soil has great value. these are people who own land over there, then they put the fence, s

keeping pakistan stable.making sure the alliances remain , and perhaps in this case, making sure he does not get outflanked on the right, so intofore adding credence the discussions and negotiations with the taliban to try to at least convince the public that something is being done whereas outside observers have a healthy skepticism about whether the talks will make progress. seems to be planning a more cautious game as well. butadly, for those of us had booked for new initiatives whether in governance, whether in economics and whether there are possibilities in dealing with the neighbors that i will turn to later emma does not look like that is happening. my last point i would make is that i think for those of us that are pakistan's friends from the outside come a we would do ourselves a favor, even a pakistan does not change much in 2014 come in to see the end of chance forrole as a us to reconceptualize our approach to take into account regional issues, to try to not look at pakistan as we have for so man

that might be just too optimistic in terms of what pakistan can actually do. there will be a misalignment of expectations, that they will have to manage regardless of who is the next president. it also may bring india into it, but i do a very strong relations with india. been seen for many years by the indian as deborah should as their man. it will be a burden for him that he will have to address because the difficult position for the afghan president with respect to pakistan. the pakistanis have been reaching out to people. itre have been signals, that does not have to be either/or, completely hostile relationship. again, they have to be their unmanned and they will have a difficult set of constraints to manage and decisions to make over which powerbrokers they bring in and which powerbrokers they leave out. and the powerbrokers they will leave out will be heavily quoted by their neighbors. it will be a very complex management, but what they do internally will -- or hamper the regional engagements as well. >> very sober, your assessment. ambassador,, mr. what

>> we are right next to pakistan. >> india and pakistan were once one country, ripped apart in one oft, ill-considered partitions imaginable. beyond there, no more fence? so once you get past there you can go straight into pakistan -- >> see, the problem is, india is trying to stop people from coming in, the drug dealers -- >> he is working on a documentary about the pakistan border. >> no one in their right mind wants to go into pakistan. >> well, really? that is a fairly decisive statement. so they put up the fence but the fence is on the indian side? >> yeah, it is 150 meters from the border. >> so beyond that fence is still indian farmland, so people who live over here can farm over there. the punjab is a fertile region in an otherwise dry country. this is india's bread basket with over a billion people currently residing in india, this is fertile land. suddenly your life became difficult? >> they can only grow some kind of crops and they can't farm more than eight hours in a day. >> how long does it take to go back and forth. >> they have times when they can enter and come out. h

>> we are right next to pakistan. >> india and pakistan were once one country, ripped apart in one ofble. beyond there, no more fence? >> no more fences. >> so once you get past there, you can go straight into pakistan if you want? >> the problem is, the thing is, india is trying to stop people from coming in, infiltrators, drug dealers, terrorists. >> udeh is working on a documentary about the india/pakistan border. >> no one wants to go to pakistan. >> no one wants to? >> in their right mind, to go into pakistan. >> that's a fairly decisive statement. so they put up the fence but the fence is on the indian side. >> yeah. it's 150 meters from the border. >> so beyond that fence, still indian farmland. >> yes. >> so people who live over here can farm over there. >> farm over there. >> the punjab is a fertile region in an otherwise very dry country. this is india's bread basket. with over a billion people currently residing in india, every inch of fertile punjabi soil has great value. these are people who own land over there, then they put the fence, suddenly your life became difficult

i mean does anyone know of and is still going on in pakistan.you know it has begun to consume and animation and can we be alert to sustain its own mini game and it disappeared in the last five years. you can see you who know little community spirit carried normally nerve and it is time that their heart that he didn't. nor the end of the vital ingredient is what i mean is this the indentation going soft mild weakness of austin bay and provide feed him one john hughes. why is that nike brutal honesty and none of the media in pakistan have been the starting but when it comes to that. the difference institution or establishment of them nor the neighborhood were keeping the dead you know i didn't know that i did look new diesel into a theme park born last month the west indies to defend mr has promised that he would look into the pieces are for he's the music business interests in turn tends to do with him on his conduct he said. some of it a point to the end i will be caught up in the army to seek protection the congo government to seek protection w

mir, whom we have interviewed is one of the most prominent journalists in pakistan. this is not the first time that the isi has been accused of going after someone who has reported critically on it. the isi and the taliban are the rock and the hardplace of pakistani. doll too much digging on either organization and you can get squeezed. our starting point this week is karachi. >> in a country where almost 70 people were killed in suicide bombings last year, another 199 were killed in drone strikes and there were 14,000 cases of murder, an attack on a single journalist who happened to survive might seem less than newsworthy. however, the shooting of hamid mir seems tied into those suicide bombings and drone strikes because those are the kinds of stories on extremism and what the government was doing about it that he was reporting on. >> hamid mir is arguably the most popular journalist in pakistan right now and has been. you could say the king of television journalism for the last decade in the country. he has a show on television called "capital t.v." and has been la

the afghan pakistan border. i think again, if anything more pessimistic, we have to be very seriously concerned about the threat of a terrorist attack somewhere, particularly i would argue the terrorist attack involving a chemical weapon. reported as widely as it might be turkey and the iraq and elsewhere in the middle east, actual sarin nerve gas. that is too much of a cluster of incidents in a specific region and a short time. and, of course, the other al qaeda affiliates, the char all aside chemical stockpile which has become much more serious threat of terrorists using some unconventional weapon in the near future than at any time in recent years. a better capability, the potential expansion. proven fairly in net debt that. the expansion and then finally, i would say, this is one of the strengths. she underscores the uncomfortable fact that the struggle against terrorism cannot be wished away despite all that and take -- temptations this is an ongoing challenge. al qaeda has strategic vision. [applause] >> t

on pakistan, again, i think that pakistan has sort of been waiting and watching. they have been focused on their own taliban threat. there was talk of the taliban military going after their havens in north waziristan. there were some airstrikes, but not the federal operation that some people expected. -- full-on operation that people expected. they were engaged in a dialogue. there has of course been some reporting that they convinced the pakistani taliban to go in for negotiations so that this operation would not happen and disrupt their ability to keep fighting in afghanistan. so, clearly, you know, i would not say i have seen a fundamental shift among the pakistani military to crack down on the taliban, however i do think that this election will make them, you know, think twice and consider their policies moving forward. first, the blowback. they know that if they have a comeback it will have a blowback on the pakistani state. second, as we said, the afghan people have spoken, shown their support for the mock receipt. -- democracy. they don't want what the tali

that is what happened in pakistan. had the pakistan authorities taken action, the investigative reporter in the past. we wouldn't have seen this death. >> a u.s. drone strike killed at least 13 suspected rebels. it hit a car carrying suspected rebels. the newsagency said the group was planning attacks on civilians in the military. three in a car nearby were also killed. >> iran said a dispute with world powers over the heavy water react jar has been virtually resolved. the facility will be redesigned. >> it could give a second route to a nuclear bomb. iran is trying to finalise a deal with world powers to scale back its program in exchange for an easing of sanctions. >> a u.s. military hearing for five men accused of conspiring in the 2001 september 11 attacks ended after it was alleged they were spied on by the f.b.i. the decision to stop the hearing indicates the seriousness of the situation. the inquiry could delay the child to two years, pushing it back to 2017. >> we heard from a substantial number of people, over

and so and they're coming from pakistan.ere is to doubt that they are training-- that is what i cover, i show in the book. that there is a lot of training camps and indoctrine ating recruitment of young afghans and pakistanies that are sent in. >> srennivasan: you went to one of the madrasas where many of the suicide bombers were coming from. and you were able to speak to some people from there, what did you learn? ness we learned that families give their sons to the madrasases they go for religious instruction, because it is free, so they give their sons and then their sons are disappearing, they are told they had gone on off on a training exercise or to some other cause somewhere. and in fact, then they have been sent into afghanistan. and then days later or weeks later they would be told your son is being martyred in a suicide attack. and it was a complete shock to these families. i went around to try and find out what was happening. and i was amazed how these families didn't know and then they were terrified to speak. so

that certainly afghans have complained of pakistan sheltering. due to some of the afghan how i make him open the border and make pacts. so i think the negotiations is all depends on what the deal look like and that the question has always been led to the taliban who have been very clear that they do not want democracy would actually come out and accept that accepted kinds of rights for women that time. i mean talk about i was listening to alot of stitching. excuse me for saying this with messing up his selection. yesterday on acne me begin with k i think it would be not easy for them to back down for all of them some of them. you know it's not it's not in uniform i grew a very different factions within the taliban as well so. but i think that that the leadership has never really been willing to back away from the original tenants to crossing at the outset of our show. you describe the enthusiasm that you witness traveling across afghanistan the last few weeks. what about the taliban would you say that their influence is waxing or waning still ext

then pakistan pulled away from america. if you don't have pakistan, you have no leverage. i argue you give that much money, there should be smarter diplomacy as well as the military cooperation. it will be much smarter. you don't give people things and let them do what they want. so i think there has to be much closer look at how the relationship work, and how pakistan could be allowed to do this, because it's not possible. and they are going to cause trouble. >> and in some curious parts of the book is when they smashed >> the hotel room, when you were trying to follow the trail of the isi supporting the taliban. >> i was in adequata, a boarder council -- keta, a border town in the south. we found suicide bombers in afghanistan. we were coming from pakistan. they were being trained there. it was an awesome recruit without their companies. i was tracking that, and then they raided my hotel room, they arrested the photographer working with me. they punched me in the face when i released handing over my handbag. they took my computer, phones and notebook. the the argument wa

the bjp manifesto also talks about having the best relationship with me and as pakistan and china. judging by its intention to gop does not include up to him. inspired by the seat. i glanced at the end of august you would like to come this. the bjp is address and the adoption fee and that this is who made this admission. i went into neat still being a leader should be heard inside the shop as a stable and peaceful democracy that promotes development in and european neighbourhood. i just didn't need to strongly into that context it's the performance mean plenty of beds. smith of the crash site in jenny was lying in your belly i've found that about a splinter group led by minutes and the coffee site on monday two nd responsibility for kidnapping more than a hundred tribesmen from our quest in pakistan stood out badly that i live on the outside eaton said the tribe of the kidnapped on saturday for indulging in anti islamic activities though many of the captives were released on sunday the incentives said the sixty one still in custody. soon after we eat the good honest about me and th

in including haiti and pakistan. after he presented an international human rights award to a women's group in dublin >> how do you prefer to be known these days? as an actor or an activist? >> it never occurs to me to differentiate anything that i do, you know, whether it's making coffee. i tend to live my life in flow, and i do whatever it is that i >>reporter: >> you have been at a ceremony honoring those people who are defenders of human rights. their work is far removed from the industries we are both involved in which, as you know, can be quiet superficial, quite wealthy at times, privileged. is it hard to be a part of that industry and then watch, as you know you do, the injustices? >> i would like to take exception to that. people who have had -- they come from poverty or privilege, they have you opportunity whether through education or some additional sense of self. i mean, you know, with the many opportunities that nelson mandela had for his own personal freedom and didn't take it. with the great education o

is usaid in pakistan cognizant and sensitive to the ethnic and religious minorities of pakistan and the vulnerable populations and do we focus our effort on those vulnerable populations? >> well, thank you, congressman, and thank you for your support for our efforts in pakistan and all around the world. i think that si in. d, pakistan, program is good example what we get done take results oriented result and we restructured our work there to focus on health, education and power. in education as you noted we are rehabilitating and building out 120 schools. our target to insure 750,000 kids, mostly girls, are learning to read at grade level in early grades. we'll conduct performance testing of those kids to insure that is in fact the case. we have rehabilitated power plants. the power plant and others and my team can follow up with details but that has helped produce 270 megawatts of energy at at time when that is the core constraint to growth and we supported more than 200 health care workers to provide basic health care services to 25,000 women across 14 districts in sin d. that is one

you lived in pakistan and afghanistan.ant was that palestinian issue in their perception of the united states? >> it was in the background. that's why i think as a background thing, it's really important because it was part of every sense of grievance, every sense of we must fight, every reason for al qaeda starting. you know, it was a palestinian who started al qaeda. i'm now in north africa and all the countries, you can see, it's an underlying theme. it's not, i agree, today's immediate issue perhaps, but it would create an enormous change in general maatmosphere in the arab world, i believe, and the muslim world if there was a way forward because it feeds and fuels the youth, and you can feel the resentment when you talk to people on the street. it's always there. >> i know we could talk about this the whole time. but richard, could the administration do much more than it has done on ukraine? it feels like we're in a situation where putin has taken crimea, but he's paying a price with the reaction of the ukrainians, ot

that's what happened in pakistan, the head of the--the pakistan authorities were involved, and in thelling or abduction and torture of journalists. >>> gunmen open fired in the egyptian cairo. >>> egyptian left wing politician who has popular alliance as the main rifl main o general al sisi. >>> and egypt's famous has been taken off until after the election. it has been temporarily shut down to avoid influencing voters. they often poke fun at egyptian nationalism and general al sisi. >>> al jazeera continues to demand the release of its journalists in egypt. they're falsely accused to providing a platform to the muslim brotherhood. they have been behind bars for 113 days. their case has been adjourned until tuesday. al jazeera rejects all accusations against its staff. there is a fourth journalist who has been held without trial since last august. highways been on hunger strike for the last 90 days. >>> well describing his feelings as he enters his 250th day in jail. he has written, i have a responsibility on my shoulders. it is to complete documents stories here as much as possible.

today pakistan could within under the extremist with atomic weapons. afghanistan would have been under them, central asia threatened, russia and china. what i'm saying is the money has been well spend, and there's a lot of the absence of u.s. forces in afghanistan. even if it's a token force, would be psych: ic -- psychological. we defeated the soviet union, and the mighty superpower. >> what does an ideal election outcome in afghanistan look like for the u.s.? >> an ideal election outcome in afghanistan for the u.s. is one that the afghan people themselves embrace, one where there's not a great deal of controversy and does not result in demonstrations in the street, one that does not result in division, but brings people together. i think there's a possibility for that, but that's up to the afghans. >> does it include the bilateral security agreement to keep troops there. >> that definitely is going to happen. all the three leading candidates, all the polls show are going to be the next president said they'd sign it. the afghan people through their la

it comes at a time when there are reports of infighting within the pakistan taliban, pakistan factions. those close to the peace talks and those that want to continue the peace talks. they are expected to meet in north waziristan at a secret location u because this is an area which has been hit by drone strikes, and they will announce another ceasefire. it is expected no long-term ceasefire, but piecemeal offers from the pakistan. expected and obviously the dangerous development being that the factions are fighting amongst themselves. >> thank you for the update. reporting to us from islamabad. >> well, two car bombs in the shia neighbourhoods of baghdad killed 13, injuring 55 others. the second was in the southeastern neighbour hood. shops and vehicles were destroyed. >> syrian opposition groups near the border - anti-government activists say 51 were killed. they were from the. linked intoes ra front, and the ley have not, known as the i.s.i.l. >> a deadline to destroy all of syria's wep jans can be met. it's according to a spokesman for international weapons. >> we go on board the sh

that happened in pakistan. in pakistan they had the authority to take action against people in the abduction and torture of investigative reporter, that wouldn't have happened. >> rounds of elections in india. a big issue is how to feed its people. a new law guarantees cheap food for 70% of a billion indians. it will not be easy. we have this report from a town where the program is under way. >> this woman depends on the subsidised food bought in this shop. she is married with two children. her families earns $50 a month. it does not go far. the public distribution scheme means they can afford to eat. buying basics like wheat, rice, sugar, pulses and kerosene - it could be more expensive on the open mash. here, she pays 10%. >> translation: sometimes there are shortages, and i may go and there's no flour or rice. i have to be parn. it's a con -- patient. i have to be pointer. >> they bring ration books and an id system confirms allowance or the machine and in the book. when private traders ran the shops, corrup

we didn't trust pakistan to tell them about the raid. so i think it shows to me there's a lot they knew that they didn't tell you. >> you write there, that in fact pakistan has been underminding our efforts also. so not just that they were hiding osama bin laden in plain sight, but they have been undermining our efforts there. you say they are sup is porting the taliban, maintaining to control militants and gain leverage, and you also say that the pakistani military and it's forces lie in wait lying in wait for the u.s. to leave as it may leave if we don't come to some agreement. >> right. >> in the near future, if that's the case, why are we spending on average $2 billion in aid to pakistan as we have. >> the argument is because they have nuclear weapons they are much too important a country because then pakistan pulled away from america, and if you don't have any engangment, you have no leverage. i would argue you give that much money and then say you don't have leverage, of course you do. it should be muffin smarter, you don't just gi

let's work together again. >> what about pakistan? >> pakistan is a problem not because of afghanistan, domestically what is going on. >> the afghan war would have been different if pakistan did not provide a safe haven. that is what every military leader will tell you. >> no group can survive without assistance. for pakistan, the taliban are a serious domestic problem. they have to face up to the fact that they have to eradicate this group that wishes to drag both countries down this black hole. the population of pakistan is set to grow to 400 million by 2015. the fourth largest country. the population of afghanistan is set to grow up to 100 million. >> the 16th largest country in the world. >> it is a serious threat to global. >> that is the biggest concern you have. >> polio is a major problem. we are working with the gates foundation to eradicate polio both countries. polio has reappeared in the arab, in syria. it has pakistani strength. it is not just a question of radicals, they are spreading other things. this is one of the con