host: what was the impact on the pakistanis after the united states took out osama bin laden? guest: it's been a complicated time. i mean, you know, the view of pakistanis of that incident was very different from what an american's view would be. nobody was congratulating anybody. it was seen as -- principally seen as a huge blow to the self image and the prestige of the military establishment. as you know, osama was found and killed living in a city which was essentially a military city, he was less than a mile from pakistan's equivalent of west point. there's a lot of weapons production in that area. it's a highly militarized area so the only question that could be asked was, if they knew, you know, they were colluding with the world's most-wanted terrorist against an ally. if they didn't know, then they're grossly incompetent, so it didn't give them a lot of good choices. so the army, which has always been seen as the most respected and most effective functioning institution in pakistan, this was an enormous blow to its ego credibility and people were shocked and upset but

those terrorists are also a threat to pakistani national security as well. they attack pakistanis. they go into karachi and a slot blot and conduct attacks that killed pakistani -- and in islamabad. it's in their interest to go after these terrorists as well. >> what is left of the al qaeda network? >> the al qaeda network has seriously been weakened. we know that, but they're still there. those that are suggesting somehow this is a good time to pullback are wrong. this is a good time to keep putting the pressure on, to make sure that we really do not undermine our ability -- their ability to conduct any kind of attacks on this country. >> will they ever be defeated? or is donald rumsfeld right that this is a long war? >> we can go after the key leadership of al qaeda that i think has led this effort, and we have seriously weakened them. we took out bin laden. by weakening their leadership, we will undermine their ability to ultimately put together that jihad they have tried to put together in order to conduct attacks on this country. >> the answer to your question is that we have

now, with the pakistani military.go back to -- to win back pakistan? i don't think so, you know. there doesn't seem to be, again, the leadership in the white house and the state department way political strategy as to how do we woo pakistan back, bring pakistan back into the fold? >> rose: this is all very, very. >> yeah. >> rose: in part, you don't wano lives in a lost cause. >> well, you know, if you stand back and look at pakistan, what's happened in pakistan today is the culmination, these currents unfolding there for 30 year the main one being the kind covert support by the pistani state of various militant groups, whether it's the taliban orthos that carried out the mumbai attack. there's an alphabet soup of these groups. what's happened is, some of these groups are strong enough to challenge the state, particularly as the state collapses. so that's the problem. these groups a this problem is many, many years in the making. and it's still gng on. i mean, the pakistani double game. i mean, all the evidence sugges

. >> pakistani money. >> reporter: one man carrying 2 million pakistani rupees, about 23,000 u.s. dollars, two others found with questionable passports. >> they both say they're going to be a tourist in asia, europe and america. >> reporter: and then, off camera, they found suspicious bomb material behind us. that prevents us from going back over and getting exploded on. >> someone knew we were coming back that direction and planted a bomb so we would hit it back. >> we're learning how big it was. >> there was six jugs of homemade explosives, roughly 300 pounds of explosives. >> just so you know, like 300 pounds, like a typical suv, like they say, a eak it into about 2illion pieces and kill everybody inside the vehicle. >> reporter: finding the bomb, men with lots of cache who test positive with explosives, these combat engineers say it adds you. >> putting two and two together here and it's not -- today's events aren't equalling good. >> it's hard to believe that we found an ied behind us, five guys that came up with explosive residues on their hand and walking around with -- >>

-pakistani relations.e'll have that live. >> for politics and public affairs, nonfiction books, and american history, it is the cspan network's. available on television, radio, and on line and on social media sites. search, watch, and share our programs anytime with cspan's video library and we are on the road with our cspan digital bus bringing our resources to local communities and showing the events from around the country. it is washington your way, the cspan networks, created by cable, provided as a public service. >> below the current state of the u.s. housing market and the impact of recent downgrade of freddie mac and fannie mae investments. "washington journal" from this morning. journal" continues. host: paul bishop is the vice president of research at the national association of realtors here to talk about the housing industry. what is the state, mr. bishop, of the housing industry -- when you look at the existing home sales and the figures? what does it say to you? guest: probably the best way

pakistani journalist has known weinstein sfor three years. >> he's the type of person is for all such eventualities and i wish that he comes back very soon safe and sound. >> reporter: kidnapping has long been a rift in pakistan. in 2002, al qaeda militants kidnapped and executed daniel pearl. according to the state department, at least three other u.s. citizens have been kidnapped in the last three years. no group has claimed responsibility for weinstein's kidnapping. anti-americanism has been on the rise since navy s.e.a.l.s killed osama bin laden in may. >> tensions are high. it is very likely it's a group of militants who could be aligned with a whole host of different parties that may have targeted this individual. >> weinstein's kidnapping will likely trigger other foreign groups to re-examine their projects in pakistan. richard engel, nbc news, kabul. >>> thousands of extra police officers are flooding the streets of london tonight in the first weekend since violent rye rots broke out across the city. police have made more than 2,000 arrests, charging more than 700 people after

they attack pakistanis. they go in to karachi and islamabad and conduct attacks there that kill pakistanis shall so it is in their interest, it is in their interest to go after these terrorists as well. they can't just pick and choose among terrorists. >> what's left of the al qaeda network? >> the al qaeda network has seriously been weakened. we know that. but they're still there, and we still have to keep the pressure on. those who are suggesting somehow that this is a good time to pull back are wrong. this is a good time to keep putting the pressure on, to make sure that we really do undermine their ability to conduct any kind of attacks on this country. >> will they ever be defeated or was donald rumsfeld right and this was just a long war? >> we can go after the key leadership of al qaeda that i think is largely led this effort, and we have seriously weakened them. we seriously took out bin laden which seriously weakened their leadership as well and i think there are additional leaders we can go after a

a pakistani court a sentence a paramilitary soldier to death over the killing of a young man in june incident that occurred in the city of karachi was caught on videotape and broadcast on national television six other men were also accused in the teenager's death and were handed life in prison a killing public and increased complaints over the brutality of pakistan's security fals. student protests have exploded into violence in the chilean capital something i go to just as demanding government. funding education was seen as in police cars with sticks and throwing rocks at officers and thus demonstrations started two months ago when president pinera announced plans to cut spending on education he rebuffed the minds of our students telling them nothing is free in this life someone has to pay. government of hunger is a top to the controversial new media control law critics say it represents a full scale assault on the freedom of press and what will result in hundreds of journalists being laid off and starting sort of first reports despite fierce opposition many have been forced into si

pakistani money. >> reporter: one man carrying , pakistani money. >> they say they are going to be tourists in asia and europe and america. >> reporter: off camera. >> they found suspicious bomb material behind us. that prevents us from going back over it and getting exploded on. >> reporter: someone knew we were going to be turning around and coming back that direction and planted a bomb so we would hit it on our way back? >> yes. we are just learning how big it was. >> reporter: how big was it? >> roughly 300 pounds of explosives. >> like 300 pounds to like a typical -- like a typical suv, like, say, a tahoe, but break into about 2 million pieces and kill everybody inside the vehicle. >> yes. >> reporter: finding the bomb, men with lots of cache who test positive for explosives, these combat engineers say it adds all up. >> we are putting two and two together today and today's event aren't equallying good. >> five guys came up with explosive residue on their hands and they are walking around with -- >> 2 million pakistani dollars. >> reporter: we were able to catch five of them. do you th

media reports said pakistani authorities let chinese engineers see the wreckage of the helicopter.some government and intelligence sources said the engineers snapped photos and even took away samples from the chopper's tail section. the surface material is believed to hold the key to the aircraft's radar-evading capabilities. china's defense ministry describes the allegations as unfounded and absurd. pakistan and china are allies. they've both been at odds with the united states over the covert mission that resulted in bin laden's death. the obama administration didn't consult the pakistani government before it sent in american commandos to raid the former al qaeda leader's compound. >>> u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton has spoken out against calls to slash the country's defense budget saying it would weaken its military presence in the asia-pacific region. clinton appeared at a meeting of the national defense university in washington on tuesday with defense secretary leon panetta. clinton voiced concerns over the growing demand for big cuts in military spending. she said th

if you were to hear the pakistani side of the stories, the pakistani side of the story is that we do not have rapid deployment, quick action capability, for which you need helicopters and others. and here the targets are not sitting somewhere or the battalion's sitting somewhere. the targets would be a group of people with one person or two persons, and naturally, if pakistanis were to take action sending a company or platoon of soldiers to capture the target was not going to come and our own military was operating in the area, which as i said, these are the undergone spaces of a tribal areas of pakistan to the traditionally they were uncovered. traditionally, pakistan had not captured its military over there. and the whole with the afghan jihad of the 80's, the whole political system had basically been in disarray, and there were these militants and others who what become influential, replacing the influence of tribal elders. then on top of that came these very violent al qaeda and other militant activists who in fact were up to 2007 the figures were about 600 tribal elders murder b

violent clashes have continued in the pakistani city of karachi since monday in which twenty six have been reported dead with dozens more wounded much of the fighting has been carried out by armed gangs each supported by one of the country's main political parties. officials have said up to three hundred people were killed in karachi in july alone in one of the deadliest months in the country in decades so a city which has a long history of ethnic and religious violence has deployed additional police and military troops to tackle the latest in the rest. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has agreed to discuss a possible return to pre-one nine hundred sixty seven borders with palestinians the country has been occupying land in the west bank where palestinians hope to build their own state since the six day war announcement for those been minutes and yeah it was consistent rejection of the same proposal put forward by the uk obama may in return the palestinians would be expected to drop their bid for statehood at the un and formally recognize israel as a church state. police in

. >> reporter: gunmen stormed this house in the eastern pakistani city of lahore friday night. their target, american warren weinstein. they persuaded the guards to open the gate by saying they wanted to give them food, an act of sharing common during ramadan. weinstein was snatched from his bedroom and thrown into a waiting car. no group has claimed responsibility. >> if a terrorist organization, extremists, can operate in such manner openly and plan very well and execute their plans very well, that's quite worrisome. >> reporter: for the past seven years, weinstein worked for j.e. austin associates, a virginia-based development contractor. weinstein was taken just as senator john mccain landed in islamabad to meet with top pakistani officials. it's a time of great strain between the two allies. . >> pakistanis want fewer americans working in pakistan. this sort of attack clearly underscores that issue. >> reporter: in fact, this past week, the state department issueded travel warning sasang that american diplomats, aid workers and journalists have been facing increased harass

we take a look at a pakistani family that is still struggling to cope. >> he is used to living among ruins. for the past month, he and his family have taken shelter in an abandoned refugee camp. when the floods hit pakistan a year ago, he and his wife managed to save themselves and their six children. they lost everything else. >> the water came suddenly in the middle of the night. we had no warning. my wife and i took the children and ran. our house was completely destroyed. courts in summer last year, torrential rains triggered massive floods, which devastated northwestern pakistan. masses of water spread throughout the rest of the country destroying roads, bridges, and houses. millions were forced to abandon their homes. at the end of august, 2010, nearly one-fifth of the country was under water. there are massive amounts of reconstruction work that still has to be done. >> we have not even done half of the work. last year, we said it might take up to four years before the areas affected by the flood are rebuilt. >> this was one of the towns that was inundated. many of the houses

how do we wrestle that and get it back and protect our citizens who are there to help the pakistanisard? >> it's been unclear at this point if we can, i think, because there's really not will on the part of the government of pakistan. perhaps the people of pakistan have that desire, but look at recent activities and this is the last in a long stream of negative development and the biggest that we caught america's number one enemy within the borders of pakistan and disagreement as to how much the pakistani government knew and the instinct of the american people at that they knew enough i think is correct and that factor combined with the fact that you can't coordinate our foorn aid with any developments in pakistan should call for a fundamental rethink of our approach. >> quickly, christian, you're talking about the killing of osama bin laden, the ahead of al-qaeda and remazed by al zawahiri, the number two guy, now number one and he's already put out a threat to u.s. citizens living abroad and calls them western targets, soft targets. i don't want to really raise any suspicion that a

corporation or without pakistani corporation.it was in mid-march that the president decided this was no way he was going to take the risk of informing the paktanis in advance, so that narrod down the options by half. in late march, the notion of bombing the house with b2 bombers was ultimately dismissed when it was revealed it would take 32 smart bombs to penetrate down io the tunnels if there were tunnels. the notion of flattening a pakistani city was not something that he wanted be a part of. >> rose: take me to the mission. as the clock came down, what happened in the situation room as the president was making his decision? what arguments had he heard about what to do, how did the division break out between defense, cia, and the closest advisors of the president? >> right. so there were sort of three camps, if you will. there was the camp that advocated the raid. there was the camp advocating a no boots onhe ground option or essentially the airstrikes. then there was the camp that said we should wait until we have a greater am

the pakistani intelligence agencies have an interest. the taliban are here, the afghan intelligence agencies are here. they all have a presence. >> not present is any consensus on how to govern among the political parties, which are largely drawn ethnic lines, competing for turf in convulsions of violence that have taken a huge toll. >> every time you strike or the city closes down, apart from the formal losses that are made, at least half a million households don't have any earnings on that day because they are day-wage earners, so poverty has increased considerably as a result. >> on karachi's streets, edhi says there's growing despair. these men pleaded with him to help them get more police protection in their neighborhood. it is encounters like these that edhi says prompted him to call for military intervention, much to the surprise of journalists at his news conference. >> do you want a dictator to come in, like musharraf? >> brother, if for the time being you have to say salaam to somebody, there's no harm. if a civil revolution co

osama bin laden with the pakistani nuclear engineer shortly before 9/11 drawing out specifications for a potential like al qaeda bomb, he's tried to get stolen soviet weapons. he tried to get enriched uranium in south africa. but pakistan has always been his focus, and there's a reason it's the most dangerous place on earth. it's the 5th largest nuclear power, they have up to 110 nuclear weapons it's estimated. they have more terrorists groups per square mile than any other place you can find in that region. as we might suspect from the fact that bin laden hid there in plain sight for a number of years. their security service, the isi has close ties to former and current jihadist. they help fund and start the taliban to fight the russians back in iraq. they have funded and started l.e.t., the people that did the mumbai attacks in india has a counter to indian and military power. all of the groups have connections to each other now. experts believe they would be and they are inclined to plan operations against the west both at home and aboard. so the question becomes then how vulnerable

tammy is a character in the book, pakistani female journalist there and she wanted her name used and she knew without the stuff -- about the stuff in there and wanted to be associated with it. i had no fear that he was going to retaliate against me. what is he going to do? once it's out, it's out, and you chant do anything about it. there's no putting that back into the box. and there hasn't been a lot of fallout personally for me at all. there's been -- there's certainly been people who suggest, how could you write about that? that was private. my feeling is when you are leader of a country, when you occupy a position like that, you know, that behavior needs to be recognized. and when a person puts themselves out to be a very conservative fundamental his muslim. he wanted to be called the commander of the faithful, and is hitting on western women, that goes the whole double way and the way women are viewed and what happens before the escapes -- what happens behind the escapes and that's something i had access to. >> on the theme of personal secretary as you were writing the book, a

research itself we went back and looked at over two thousand individual media reports from pakistani us u.k. international media looking at the strikes and then once we've actually untangled that process and got the clearest idea of what had taken place we don't cross-reference with a host of material which included legal studies case notes of lawyers who are for i think cases on behalf of civilians from pakistan intelligence documents us secret cables the only point here and so on so we're trying to build up really as comprehensive a public view as we could of what's actually been taking place at the cia. and in just a few minutes we talked to be a prime minister of a cacio which gained independence from georgia along with south set yet three years ago ok for that it's all the latest in business with me. thank you very much the russian currency has been having a tough time in the recent labor markets it's just marginally stronger this salad my six trading however you just love is what it's a bank believe the ruble could win back some of its positions although it would be quick. ther

and as american drone strikes continue to hit pakistani journalists add up with lethal civilian costs will be bringing you their findings. takes fifteen to twenty million years for the planet to recover from a major extinction event for the planet is time we don't. it's been going on for months twenty twenty five years and since it's been eco terrorists before there was even islamic fundamentalist terrorist in this country when the nine eleven happened the bush administration could not find any terrorists because the feds couldn't find any real terrorists they decided to take these young people who were accused of property sabotage and label then as terrorists someone you destroy property. with absolutely zero intention of harming a single human being. in my mind it's not the parents real people who are green in this country are the housewives who recycle. and the children who play trees on the weekend with their cub scout troops that's the. sound. sound. for the. we've got. the biggest issues get the human voice face to face with the news makers. all combat now europe's nations are o

this president pakistani popularity continues to fall specially among the older generation and he's now trying to appeal to a much younger crowd it's not the first time the president's case heat up the stars what many see as a bid to win popularity. with the socceroos were smart for a specialist over more than a period i'm sure you know how to restore which are the across the system inside the country but it's the same time the maid was brought down by. brewster and diplomats or was pro-government the p.r. conscious president has often used music as a political weapon this pop song commissioned ahead of the teeth thousand and eight presidential election uses his nickname in the humble title me sure is cool. you know any other normal country where pop singers or rock singers are printed of all the president all these high profile publicity stunts they come at a cost. i dunno where they got the money to bring such stars to juju to pay for the equipment because government funds come from the money of taxpayers like me and according to you can take money from such bonds but i want them out

the son of an assassinated pakistani governor has been kidnapped in the eastern city of lahore witnesses say it happened when he was in his car after being stopped by four men on motorbikes his father governor of punjab province was killed by his bodyguard for his opposition to a controversial blasphemy law earlier this year the family says they've since received threats from the taliban and extremist groups. well this is live for you twenty four hours a day you can watch the news whenever you want to anywhere anytime that dot com here's a quick look at one of the lineup for you right now online and new york police on the cia. for racial profiling and discrimination as of a much as they collected intelligence on muslims in operations. and a superstar signing. some real arrives in russia to join the pakistani side of angie with a hefty salaries of both the details of. videos on our you tube channel. is he. the official. from the. video. old girls. feet in the palm of your. cong. all right so now seventeen minutes past the hour here in moscow a. close up series it's where we explore the un

cairo, the belgian dog and pakistani american translator. and he was out there.anslator was out there essentially to hold the curious locals and local residents at bay and to tell them that there's a security operation going on. of course this is an individual who looks like a pakistani and he's saying there's a security operation going on, go back to your homes and people simply took him at his word and turned around and went home. >> when the team was making its way through the building, were they working by educated guest. was there any intelligence about the layout of the interior of the building. >> very little. the satellite photos that were taken of the compound had been taken preconstruction and post construction. in the rehearsals in the weeks leading up to the operation itself, they had practiced with a range of scenarios what the house might look like. but they had very little idea. they brake into three-man fire teams and they began sort of clearing methodically. but they had no idea what they were encountering as they went along. >> seals did have to

there's beenish rumors for months that the pakistanis were furious about u.s.ops coming into their country that when this helicopter crashed and some of the wreckage left behind, the pakistanis basically said the heck with it, we'll let our chinese friends and have a look at all of this and see what they think, knowing full well that this was some of the most classified u.s. military technology. so the rumors been out there for some time. but there's a new series of newspaper articles emerging. what u.s. officials are telling us is they now have reason to suspect they say. reason to suspect that the chinese indeed were invited by the pakistanis had a look, maybe took a few samples, you know. this stealth technology on this helicopter would be a prize for the chinese. they're very interested in stealth technology. anything that makes a radar signature less visible, it allows someone to fly through enemy airspace without being detected. it's the leading edge of military technology. the chinese would love to get their hands-on it. the u.s. suspects it has no way o

but over these long years, between 89 and 2000, this was a question which rankled with many pakistanis, especially the military. some of the equipment which was sent here for retrofitting was confiscated because we came under sanctions once the certification was withdrawn, because we were pursuing the nuclear option. you would recall that president clinton had visited our region in the year 2000. he had spent about five days in india. at that time, the relations with india were going strong. with difficulty, we were able to persuade that he come to pakistan. he came to islamabad for about four hours. he refused to have a focus session with president moshav -- musharaf, who was at that time chief executive of the country. that had come about to a military coup in 1989. pakistan was shunned at that time. it was quite -- it was a low point in our relationship. but before 2000 -- let me also make one other reference, and that is 1998, when india conducted nuclear tests. pakistan came under pressure not to follow suit, not to conduct nuclear tests at that time. president clinton offered som

you know, how -- how the pakistanis and particularly how the pakistani government can control this largerthis larger sentiment that's growing, this larger anti-u.s., anti-u.s. sentiment in the country will be a huge component as to how they can administer policy going forward, as well. >> and briefly when we're talking about pakistan and how critical it is, we should point out that this man, warren weinstein is, i believe, 70 years old or close to it. he was going back to finish a development project. he worked for usaid as a contractor. he has a hpd in law and philosophy, political science. this is a man who was working in the development field for a contractor with a number of colleagues, working on aid to the region. >> he's a world-renowned expert in the field of development. but it also really does draw out a larger question about development. particularly in the region. it's before you can have any stable development, you must have security. if security's not in place, then any time of development activities really are halted. hence while we saw so many challenges and balks with the

documented as a day that it just doesn't seem to add up especially not if you read accounts from pakistani journalists or from british journalists now we told you just a few weeks ago about the new report from the british bureau of investigative journalism found that at least forty five people have died in ten strikes during the last year and of course you can say that you have to take any figures from pakistani officials with a grain of salt because it's in their interest to beat those numbers up but it's one thing to have a skeptical eye it's another thing entirely to ignore those reports as our mainstream media does while it's so obediently swallows up every single word that people like john brennan and david petraeus may say now the real problem here is that so few journalists even ask for clarification the new york times did it in this case to their credit and guess what john brennan then told the u.s. officials could not confirm any deaths here reworded it a little bit you see it's one thing not to be able to confirm any deaths because you can actually look into that is another thing

. >> in pakistan, the pakistani military says 25 officers were killed in an early morning attack whenst 200 taliban fighters crossed into pakistan from inasmuch as. afghanistan. the pakistani military blamed the attack on pakistan and afghan taliban-linked fighters who have sought refuge in the kunar and nuristan provinces. there are reports that the no. 2 man in al-qaida has been killed in a drone attack in pakistan. they say al-rahman was killed on monday and he was said to be in frequent contact with osama bin laden in the months before the terrorist leader was killed. they say his death is expected to further weaken the terrorist network. last month leon panetta claimed it was at the end their reach. >>> thursday's fire at the casino royale at monterrey. no word on how the raids are related to the arson, but officials say the area is notorious for its drug gangs and deadly disputes over where and how drugs are transported. >>> bay area teachers do some back-to-school shopping. coming up, who helped to foot the bill and who benefits from the generosity? >>> also what golden gate fi

pakistani police say eight to ten gunmen were involved.y gained access to weinstein's home by posing as neighbors offering food. >>> at least 20 people are injured after a bus crash in pennsylvania. the greyhound overturned early this morning. highway officials say the driver was severely injured. the bus was traveling from philadelphia to columbus, ohio. >>> the fbi is joining the investigation into an american woman missing in aruba. yesterday, agents searched the maryland home of the man held in robyn gardner's disappearance. aruban authorities say gary giordano will appear in court monday. giordano says he and gardner were snorkling when he lost sight of her. island officials say there is no trace of gardner and no evidence that she is dead. >>> and in the u.s., it's a crucial day for gop presidential candidates taking part in iowa's straw poll. the contest is a key test of a candidate's strength in this early voting state. and the outcome can make or break a campaign. voting is under way right now. results are expected tonight. we'll

it seems neither pakistani police nor the u.s.any information about his condition and his whereabouts. the only bit of new information that we received today was that pakistani police are saying they've detained weinstein's three security guards and his driver, but they are only been detained for questioning. they point out that they're not suspects in this kidnapping. they only want to ask him questions. in pakistan the law does say that you can detain someone for up to 72 hours for questioning and we're still in that 72 hp hour window. weinstein kidnapped early saturday morning around 3:00 a.m. assailants broke into his home, tied up his security guards, pistol whipped his driver, eventually left with him. at this point, randi, the focus is on the security guards and the driver. but police point out, not because of necessarily suspects. but they seem to be the only witnesses to this kidnapping. >> he isn't new to pakistan. reza, was there something about his work that may have made him a target? >> it's tough to say. but he's be

you describe the killing of one of the misuse of the main taliban fighters on the pakistani side of the board they spotted him on the rooftop of a missile hit him straight in his body. >> guest: this is a revelation to me come to mckeithen dewitt covered the community and i've written about drone strikes people perhaps of realize this is something the cia doesn't acknowledge exists. they can't say we are doing this, so details about how it works and how the decisions are made are rare but i was able to get greater access and it's remarkably controlled and a remarkably precise these machines have the ability to target small targets and very far away. they can change the course of a missile after its left in the aircraft if they decide somebody has gotten in the way people spend a lot of time to come up with numbers of how many people were killed accidentally because the strikes. the cia has careful record keeping because the stick around the jones after the strike takes place to see who was killed, was taken away did bigot deride didier were trying to get and these were remarkably effect

that is the pakistani soldier.ry day 20,000 people are coming to the border. >> but india and pakista pakistans-- differently. if they imitate, they will lose their prestige. pakistan demands kashmir but india refuses to give it up because they grow to many fruits and flowers. within we have never seen the wagah border and pakistani people. we have come to see them. they are our brothers and sisters. >> my ancestors from pakistan, so there is a really special bond to knows what's happening out there. >> they should know national patriotism. you have to die for your country. >> -- are different on either side. this side shouts-- india. >> and that side shouts long live pakistan, number one pakistan. >> when india gained independence, partitions became a reality for us. >> the birds still fly across but a wall has been put up between humans. this is very unfortunate. if we had stayed together, this would have been a great country. >> woodruff: quite a scene. >> woodruff: independence day celebrations for both pakista

it didn't have to be the closest cia base was across the pakistani hills and it had heavy security and all the people who needed to be there for the debriefing could quickly come in the geography because the cia wanted to control nobody would recognize this guy and the tree and later. >> host: you discover he communicates by e-mail and at one point there's a chapter you write about a video clip of the doctor and ayman al-zawahiri that sets washington buzzing. why was that important and why was that reaction to that tape? >> guest: it shows how clever this al qaeda operation was and they understand us better. the are more sophisticated than we sometimes think they are and giving it some thought of a new ways to push the buttons to make them absolutely mad to meet this guy so they did a using the clever western-style tools. one was to send video that showed he'd actually gone inside the tent of al qaeda and had come face-to-face meeting with senior operatives and one video clip in particular should am standing next to this guy that the new rankings are released difficult with al qaeda bu