the pakistani taliban are interestingly not homogenous in terms of the pakistani. -- who have infiltrated or joined the afghan taliban. the number in terms of the threat by the pakistani taliban, all you need to see is -- read about the major terrorist attack on the karachi airport, attack on the militarists, destroying one of the most important aircraft we have. on the air force base and in one case, had a successfully attacked a location where pakistani believed to have kept some of it nuclear arsenal, at least the delivery system. so the opinion is, in case of pakistani taliban, their linkages of the security forces behind the scene in terms of insiders and in terms of some people who are radicalized enough, that is a much more dangerous phenomenon, and if i'm a security analyst, i would spend much more time in looking at the park tan -- pashtun y taliban. at least part of the pakistani taliban directed because the only reason that pakistan has attempted to connect with this is to -- and they smartly from their point of view moved out of the pakistan-afghanistan tribal area, which is s

the pakistani taliban never talk to the afghan taliban. are right in some ways there is that difference however what we have come to know recently is when the pakistani military moved into the north area they unearthed a training center of suicide bombers run by the afghan is. on the face of it maybe there is a disconnect in terms of issues but regardless of inspiration and because the commonality and ideological framework at the end of the day it was bound to happen that they would come together. my view is if and when the u.s. forces will go completely out of afghanistan you will see a coming together of pakistan and the afghan taliban. this is a figure that the analysts and intelligence. they can have some level of friendship of the old guard of taliban. the pakistani taliban somehow will come and fight. that was wrong. they were using the same areas similar logistics and people were jumping from one group to another so i agree sometime in the last few years afghan and pakistani taliban were disconnected but they are bound to come toget

and pakistani taliban and afghan taliban somehow they will come and fight. that was wrong. it was -- they were using the same areas, similar logistics. people were jumping from one group to the other. so, i agree that in sometime the last few years, afghan and pakistani taliban disconnected and they're bound to come together more so, especially when the u.s. forces from that side will go away and when the pakistani operation in north waziristan will stop and bring them together. >> okay. let's -- please, i'm sure there are lots of questions. please introduce yourself and keep your question brief. sir? >> i'm washington, d.c. thank you for very illuminating talk. it's very enlightening. my question is, who's financing the taliban? where's the money coming from? >> for the pakistani taliban and afghan taliban, there are different answer. for the afghan taliban, we have so many study it is major chunk of the money is coming from odium. you hear different members of the international forces blame different people.

the pakistani taliban. the pakistani taliban unlike the iran taliban, a few more words about that taliban. the iran taliban coordinated with the likes that never merged. there were some good studies it came out in recent years -- they had used the afghan taliban for their purposes, their financial needs and use al qaeda but in case of pakistani taliban, there was more of a merger that had taken place. the nature of the group, and the media, the afghan taliban, quite active on social media, the afghan taliban are also more so and pakistani taliban are far more dangerous and lethal. they moved closer and today if you ask and many experts -- you would not be able to experience the dynamics without explaining the dynamics of the pakistani taliban. that is the type of merger and proximity. that brings me to iraq. the belief that the media is on youtube and increasing pakistani taliban and from syria they moved into iraq. end in mozilla and parts of iran. and the pakistani taliban are interesting, and the cash to

do you see the possibility of isolating pakistani taliban from other taliban? >> thank you very much. you are absolutely right. in case of the taliban or afghanistan's political situation we have a crisis there but the crisis is different from what we had talked about and disrupting the whole election process. there is a lot about the resilience of the people and some of the very good things that happened benefiting from the u.s. effort. major mistakes like supporting warlords and so many others on the part of united states frankly but at the same time there's a new middle class that's going up in afghanistan. that has a new stake in afghanistan's future. i think we owe it to the international community and especially that states which funded it by and large however the case for instance there are 30,000 reporting stations. elections were not conducted in several because taliban did not allow that to happen. there are pictures of them and long white beards in caps with bandages on their fingers because all those who voted, their fingers were cut. you have to se

the pakistani taliban in some ways had a more devastating impact on pakistani politics than afghan taliban. as i mentioned there are no short-term solutions. >> thank you dr. hassan. i teach at the department of defense strategic studies and i'm currently a visitor at carnegie. i have two quick questions. one about your recommendation on the sufi tradition as a solution or radicalization. as much as i remember there was a long discussion and a lot of talk on building pakistan and there were efforts to spread the sufi tradition. i'm not really sure what exactly are the concrete steps that states can take in terms of changing their societal outlook and the nomenclature of the society. we talk about spreading sufi tradition and there are efforts there is an equal amount of resistance to that. a progressive society probably is sometimes a national consequence of a lot of other steps you have taken that he would have mentioned it in terms of education reform and all that stuff. however efforts can bring much benefit. taliban and pakistan's zone of comfort as opposed to the pakistani taliban. i'

pakistani taliban. something has to be done about the analytic cold capability of the pakistani government. >> but the absence of the capture or killing of any of these big leaders still remains a very open question. nassari. e to dr. no practices a unique learning experience to hear these three it distinguished experts talking about that area which has been affecting us all this time. -- i am a pakistan american league. the comments about the army and the area of disconnect. thently, in pakistan, entire higher echelon of the army, i found them converging with total consensus. they were really speaking with one voice. sometimes, -- that is because of the politicians statements and other things that irritate them. other than that, they're working together in an army unit. they were working closely with this administration. he might be -- which we don't. reward to terrorism. the enemy is faceless. even the superpowers have generally failed in this territory. given a timeline or a timeframe, our closure of

as opposed to the pakistani taliban. i'm still wondering what exactly was the ri action of afghan taliban on pakistan's decision to side with post- 9/11. was there a sense of betrayal if they felt that kind of betrayal, then i would assume that their reaction should have been like there should have been some sort of opposition within them and wouldn't that create a tension against the state of pakistan? thank you. >> both, both very good questions. the second question of afghan tall been and felt betrayal. that's one of my arguments in my chapter 3 or 4. and you're right. mullah omar and others and this is obvious from the book who's written a book "my years with taliban" and he was the afghan ambassador to pakistan. very close friend of pakistan. you can read the book and see the distaste for all things pakistan and think the pakistanis went after him. it is simply no doubt about it. that's why i've also some doubts of the nomenclature and the organization. but still, we know for a fact from various for a fact from, t ma

the rise of the pakistani taliban, i think that is not possible. is highly likely. at some stage the convergence of interest in coming together of the militants, i hope to be proved wrong. that is no more a possibility, the future of afghanistan, political crisis can be a major factor, in the afghan taliban. >> if you could stand up and identify yourself and ask your question. >> i am a recent graduates of the university of texas. it seems to me the operation was strategic on the pakistani army in the sense that the government is trying to -- my question is keeping in mind afghanistan and pakistan, you think operation permanency, by going to the taliban to the afghan government? >> it is safe to say it is not impossible. it is possible they have some hideouts. the freedom of movement, what they had, strategically they wanted to go to the end of february. by this time the operation goes one hour after the last one finished, once the e elections are over, the air force mostly involved but going back to something, i lived in karachi and it is are far better place thank

one point about convergence of the afghan taliban and the pakistani taliban. i see that convergence happening. there is pushed from the side. on the afghan taliban also. we will see some action. lately, this military unit goes on the side of the taliban. the seniormost general since the vietnam war died in action if i am correct. that was recently in national defense in kabul. these are the signs that the taliban is not going anywhere. on the pakistani side, i was more hopeful. the way they have expanded their network in the province in karachi, there's no signs of any effective cord needed action, -- coordinated action. the rise of the pakistani taliban may be under a different name. i think that is not possible, it is highly likely. at some stage, the convergence of interests and coming together some of the militant sides, i hope to be proved wrong about the title of my book. that is -- the future of the political crisis will be a major factor in deciding what is going to happen on the side of the afghan taliban. >> we have a question in the second row. if yo

afghan taliban or pakistani forces helped them. in their operations against the northern alliance that there was this control, this manipulation and some were still sympathetic to pakistan. whenever they needed the old guards help to go after pakistani taliban they didn't help them much so they responded by not coming out of the pakistani taliban. the other question and it may take a minute but that's a very profound idea. i'm not making the suggestion that from outside we use sufi-ism as a tool to tackle anything else. sufis after all there are sunni shoe -- sunni cities in shia sufis. [inaudible] they all had some common ideals which were religious which was complete nonviolence, which was always honoring them and giving them hope which was also nonenforcement. you would be surprised the biggest sufi -- is in india. you would be amazed there are times more hindus and muslims there. sufis never force anyone to convert. that's why say the idea and the number of people who still -- i don't want more political support for the sufi bu

pakistani taliban. something has to be done about the analytic cold capability of the pakistani government. >> but the absence of the capture or killing of any of these big leaders still remains a very open question. nassari. e to dr. no practices a unique learning experience to hear these three it distinguished experts talking about that area which has been affecting us all this time. -- i am a pakistan american league. the comments about the army and the area of disconnect. thently, in pakistan, entire higher echelon of the army, i found them converging with total consensus. they were really speaking with one voice. sometimes, -- that is because of the politicians statements and other things that irritate them. other than that, they're working together in an army unit. they were working closely with this administration. he might be -- which we don't. reward to terrorism. the enemy is faceless. even the superpowers have generally failed in this territory. given a timeline or a timeframe, our closure of

pakistani taliban is claiming responsibility for the attacks. it happened in the pakistani city of querta. meanwhile thousands of antigovernment protesters are converging on islamabad, convoy was attacked by an angry mob as it moved through city. a former leader of the tarik s saaf party wasn't hurt. all demanding the resignation of prime minister noah sharif. kamal hyden sends this report. >> for hours, government proposed a few places but khadry rejected them. when he arrived in islamabad with thousands of his own supporters he's going to choose his own place. that of course may create complications, because authorities have said nobody will be allowed into the red zone which holds the diplomatic area, parliament, presidency and other sensitive installations. as you can see, a storm is brewing outside islam bad but i. tens are thousands of people are expected to condpre gate at islamabad -- congregate at islamabad. they are demanding for the resignation of the government. security agencies are warning that there is a real threat, because many p

sympathetic to pakistan, but that's wx91lso whenever pakistan needed iran taliban's help to go after pakistani taliban, they responded to that my book, they all had some common ideals which was complete nonviolence, which was always honoring the very poor in giving them hope, which was also nonenforcement. you'll be surprised you go to the biggest in south asia and it's made in india. you'll be amazed at times there are more hindus than muslims. i don't want more investment, but i think the tradition and their great mistakes provide a bridge to different sectors to come together. and not only tolerate each other, we often say if you tolerate others, that's the success of any society. i think all the teachings that i had an option to read i think is respect about human being as a human being. that's why in terms of ideals, i support that talk. but you're right. if anyone will try to choreograph it through political support, negative reaction will come. totally unprecedented in the history of south asia. never ever before there was an attack on a shrine. one because of the bigted people. and always diff

i spent time in pakistan at a facility where they train that suicide bombers, this was the pakistani taliban as young as six. these kids don't understand what they're engaged in. getting them out is important. it's like getting them out of cuts. >> for the west, something else we have to worry about is the recruitment of women as terrorists, including a big effort to get western women. we saw among other cases, this recent alleged example of a young woman from colorado. >> yes, although i think she was mistaken in what kind of role she could have. she trained a explorers, thinking she would be a front line fighter. the majority of women are not going to be suicide bombers now. they're not going to fight the enemy, they're going there to become mothers and propagate the next generation. what we've seen on twitter is up to 26 women. >> they are looking for suicide bombers, too. >> isis isn't looking for women suicide bombers yet. that might be the next stage. we've seen them in iraq, by isis are looking at women in a very traditional way, the same as the taliban. it took the taliban many years

this was the pakistani taliban, as young as six. the kids don't understand what they are engaged in. getting them out is important. cults. >> for the west, something we have to worry about, something you focused on, the recruitment of women as terrorists, including a big effort to get western women, and we saw an example of a young woman colorado. >> yes, i think ms con ollie was mistaken in the role she'd have, training thinking she'd be a front line fighter. the majority of women are not going to fight the enemy, but to become mothers and propagate the next generation. what we see an twitter is up to 26 women... bombers. >> i.s.i.s. is not looking for women suicide bombers yet. that may be the next stage. we have seen female suicide bombers in iraq. they are looking at them in a traditional way. it took the taliban many years before they had suicide bombers. most of that population don't buy into the idea of a woman being equal to a man. >> it's a scary situation. good of you to join us to discuss these unpleasant topics. thanks t

political vacuum, lose our leverage, it's quite possible that al qaeda which is quite close to the pakistani taliban and has already acknowledged the authority of mullah omar as the sort of amir of the islamic state, that they could reinrig vate in afghanistan the same thing that the islamic state has done in iraq and we're looking at a much more dangerous circumstances. so i think this tunnel vision that we have right now around mount sinjar, the danger of that strategically is that we miss a much broader set of risks including the pont of a resurgent al qaeda in afghanistan and pakistan after 2014. >> rose: don't you think the administration understands this? >> i hope they do. >> rose: but you don't think they do? >> i don't hear it coming from people. i don't see a single unified coherent focus on this range of problems. what i see is immediate tactical crisis response. >> rose: . >> the iraq syria thing, part of the problem is now is really it's have hard just for me to see how you can go back to the status quo which is sort of what all the policies before have been based on. is to go back to j

. >>> the pakistani schoolgirl moving on after being shot by the taliban tells her story in a book especially for children. >>> hello. a warm welcome. just want to bring you breaking news. a ukrainian commander has been injured. a leading ukrainian commander has been wounded during fighting near linear donetsk region. he's received multiple shrapnel wounds and was evacuated to the hospital. you may have seen him appearing on television and social immediate you. the ukrainian interior minister says his condition is stable. that news coming to us that a ukrainian top commander has been injured. >>> now it's been another night of unrest in ferguson, missouri, the u.s. town where a black teen was shot and killed ten days ago. the police officer in charge of rations says criminals have infiltrated the crowds of pr protestors are intent on violence. johnson says some of those arrested for from as far away as new york and california. he stressed the majority of protestors were peaceful. >> anyone that's been at protests understands there's a dangerous dynamic in the night. it allows a small number o

taliban. they can unsettle the pakistani overnment. pakistan, we haven't heard much bout them lately either. pakistan is a country with a nuclear arsenal of more than 100 million nuclear weapons. we know some of these groups like al qaeda would like to get their hands on some of those nuclear weapons and there has been some concern about their arsenal. i am not in the circles where they are talking about these things but i know there has been tremendous amount of concern in the last thing we want to see is have al qaeda or anyone else get their hands on a nuclear weapon. frank covered this stuff but i think the al qaeda or offshoot of them or affiliate, that threat is growing. i talked about al qaeda in the arabian peninsula in yemen. up until isis gained prominence, i would say that they were the most dangerous roup we faced. i mentioned some other plots -- the underwear plot, the printer cartridges, they have the best bomb maker. we have libya, tunisia. nd they were responsible for what happened in benghazi. igeria, we heard about them in the terrible kidnapping of these young schoolgirls.

along with everyone else so along with the rest of the world the taliban heard how the cia recruited shaquille afridi a senior pakistani doctor to run a door to door hepatitis b. vaccination drive in an effort to collect d.n.a. they were vaccinating people and collecting d.n.a. to help find bin ladin when they got wind of that the taliban banned the polio vaccine. where e that is just another cia plot and now they're targeting and killing doctors who tried to administer vaccines in pakistan as a result according to pakistani officials there are now two hundred and fifty thousand children without their vaccines just to avoid a cia plot pakistan saw a fifteen percent increase in polio cases last year the country was on its way to eradicating polio completely until the taliban learned how the cia it used to have but i didn't leave a clean campaign to do their dirty work officials have no doubt of the direct relationship.

taliban is coming back in afghanistan. pakistani crisis seems to be going and the scholars are worried about the future of pakistan. whether we like it or not and whether the u.s. likes it or not iran is one of the most stable countries in the region. despite 30 years of the war and everything iran is one of the most stable countries. i look at the area and say iran and turkey are the most stable countries. others have instability like iraq or afghanistan or they are vulnerable to the crisis. this is additional responsibility for tehran and washington to cooperate. i don't believe the crisis in the region will only be resolved by cooperation by iran and the united states. we need to engage other powers like saudi arabia and turkey. we need a regional corporation system which i have discussed in details in the book in the persian gulf and the region. i would prepare warren to stop here and go to the questions. [applause] >> i am going to ask a couple questions of my own and then we will go to the floor. hussein, you mentioned saudi a

taliban. they can unsettle the pakistani government. pakistan, we haven't heard much about them lately either. pakistan is a country with a nuclear arsenal of more than 100 million nuclear weapons. we know some of these groups like al qaeda would like to get their hands on some of those nuclear weapons and there has been some concern about their arsenal. i am not in the circles where they are talking about these things but i know there has been tremendous amount of concern in the last thing we want to see is have al qaeda or anyone else get their hands on a nuclear weapon. stuff but id this think the al qaeda or offshoot thatem or affiliate, threat is growing. i talked about al qaeda in the arabian peninsula in yemen. gained prominence, i would say that they were the most dangerous group we faced. i mentioned some other plots -- the underwear plot, the printer cartridges, they have the best maker -- bomb maker. we have out. -- we havenisia howled urea, libya, tunisia. and they were responsible for what happened in benghazi. we heard abo

taliban is coming back in afghanistan. the pakistanicrisis seems to be -- many scholars are really worriei about the future of pakistan. whether we like it or not, and whether the u.s. like it or not, iran is one of the most stable countries in the region. despite 30 years of pressure, sanctions, war, ultimately irana today is onen of the most stab countries. and when i look at the region, i see iran and turkey, the most stable countries. is they are stable or they are vulnerable to the crisis. therefore, this is additional responsibility for tehran and washington to cooperate. to end my statement, i do not y believe the crisis in the regioa would be resolved only by cooperation between iran and ths u.s.audi ara we need to engage the other we regional n powers like saudi on arabia, like turkey. we need a regional cooperation system which i have discussed in details in my book in persian gulf and in the region. without regional cooperation system, without close cooperation between iran, saudi arabia, turkey, the regional powers, even bil

she is a pakistani woman less affectionately known as lady al qaeda. reports say the talibanered to swap bowe bergdahl for her release. isis said they would release james foley in exchange. they later beheaded mr. foley. lady al qaeda is serving 86 years in a texas prison. she was convicted of plotting the murder of americans in afghanistan, caught with poison and instructions on creating dirty bombs and releasing ebola. but as you might expect by now, she's not our only threat. an exclusive report by foreign policy, which also reported on her, exposes the contents of an isis laptop found in syria that contains detailed instructions, 19 pages worth, on deploying the bubonic plague for buy lodiolog warfare. shane harris wrote specifically about lady al qaeda and the prisoner swap debate. there are two sides of this debate. one saying, look, you never negotiate with terrorists. you never make the swap because that makes it more likely for americans to be kidnapped in the future. the other side of this is saying, look, you do everything in your power to bring an american back ho

taliban is coming back in afghanistan. pakistanicrisis seems to be going and the scholars are worried about the future of pakistan. whether we like it or not and whether the u.s. likes it or not iran is one of the most stable countries in the region. despite 30 years of the war and everything iran is one of the most stable countries. i look at the area and say iran and turkey are the most stable countries. others have instability like iraq or afghanistan or they are vulnerable to the crisis. this is additional responsibility for tehran and washington to cooperate. i don't believe the crisis in the region will only be resolved by cooperation by iran and the united states. we need to engage other powers like saudi arabia and turkey. we need a regional corporation system which i have discussed in details in the book in the persian gulf and the region. i would prepare warren to stop here and go to the questions. [applause] >> i am going to ask a couple questions of my own and then we will go to the floor. hussein, you mentioned saudi ar

the taliban banned the polio vaccine wherry that is just another cia plot and now they're targeting and killing doctors who tried to administer vaccines in pakistan as a result according to pakistani officials there are now two hundred and fifty thousand children without their vaccines just to avoid a cia plot pakistan saw a fixed two percent increase in polio cases last year the country was on its way to eradicating polio completely until the taliban learned how the cia it used to hepatitis b. vaccine campaign to do their dirty work officials have no doubt of the direct relationship the taliban does a lot of terrible things but the only reason they're blocking vaccines in pakistan right now is because people in the white house just couldn't keep themselves from bragging about every detail of their getting bin ladin hollywood story as a result they are directly responsible for this new health crisis and for all those kids who are now being paralyzed by a disease they should have never known tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter at the risk. reward the what your comedy use of the comedy used to be a bare freeze to no fun to put down. but the truth. quiting into t

taliban have long demanded her freedom. she's a mother and a scientist and a terrorist. in exchange for captured americans, islamic state group fighters have been demanding this woman be released. a pakistani neuroscientist, now in prison in texas, convicted of trying to kill american soldiers in afghanistan. xii years, protesters and her family have demanded her freedom. now her loved ones are reportedly devastated here name has been connected to a ransom request by the islamic state group. >> they are traumatized by the fact that someone else could be harmed in the name of afia and they expressed their adamant opposition to it all. >> she's a mother of three, studied at mit and spent years in the united states. videos online posted by her supporters show her speaking about her faith when she was in the u.s. >> islam is the best savior and protecter for women. >> she became friendly with al qaeda, married an operative, and planned attacks on new york city landmarks. she was arrested in afghanistan in 2008, but whiling questioned, prosecutors say she grabbed a rifle from the floor and opened fire on american soldiers. she was shot in the stomach. no one else was seriously hurt, but it led

do you see a possibility of isolating pakistani talibans from the other talibans?thank you very much. you're absolutely right. the political situation, which we have a crisis there, the crisis is different from what we had thought. that maybe the taliban can conduct terrorism attacks and disrupt the election process. that tells us a lot about the people. and also about some of the very good things that have happened based -- benefitting from the u.s. effort. they have mistakes as well like supporting war lords like so many others which i think on the part of the united states frankly. but at the same time, there's a new middle class that is going up and that has a new stake in their future. i think that they owe it to international community and united states which funded the bill, by and large. however, in the case, for instance if there were 13,000 polling stations, elections were not conducted in 700 to 800 polling stations because they never allowed that to happen. there's a picture of old men with long white beards all sitting in a hospital with bandage around

so i wrote to try to kill benazir bhutto, the former head, pakistani taliban. and sheila says he said i kept up with me. she sent back the text to me that night and she wrote back. she said something to the effect, and manpower freezing, that these are the radical element written to the pakistani establishment. she said there are elements of whether it is are the ones who fall behind it. >> up next on booktv, said three of a set of criminal case based on several scandals that has surrounded the administration including ben passy, irs targeting the groups. >> i've been gone so long some of you have forgotten who i am. my name is that of six. [applause]