the pakistanis of pakistani public reaction when one of the leaders of the pakistani taliban was it was actually positive i mean largest been negative by and large the public in pakistan has viewed this as evidence of weakness of the country the fact that its own sovereignty is weak when the american government can run this program it can be can target and strike pakistani citizens without their government being able to control it and right now we're seeing the lead into a new parliamentary election then pakistan and anti-u.s. and anti grown rhetoric is at a peak and i'd say the new emerging potential political stars on the pakistani stage are united in their anti-american rhetoric anti grown rhetoric and this is definitely having an impact on the way the government and the military interact with the united states it's much more who much more distance vision that that we have the you know the gross mistakes that the united states made in the last year the raymond davis incident the raid on the pakistani border post that killed twenty four for which the u.s. apologized but he was also de

there are two talibans-- an afghan taliban and a pakistani taliban. the pakistanis are cooperating with the afghan taliban but not their own taliban. is that correct? >> the pakistani-- after 9/11, after the we're ended, most of the taliban who survived the american invasion escaped into pakistan and set up shop there and then relaunched their attacks into afghanistan in 2003, 2004. and helping them were pakistani tribessed men who had been paid by them, who were providing them with body guard guards and conts who bring in ammunition and all the rest of it. and these pakistani taliban then became a-- demanded they had an agenda which was to destroy the pakistan government. and also help the afghan brothers fight the americans. so they were fighting on two fronts, as it were. >> jon: so pakistan is fighting the taliban, and supporting and replenishing the taliban. >> this is the very complicated situation. >> jon: it sounds very complicated. >> pakistan is essentially fighting its pakistani taliban, its own taliban, because these taliban want to overth

are some legitimate pakistani interests in afghanistan. and recently, for example, some be milan lucic were fighting in pakistan against the pakistani government, were asked by president karzai to leave afghanistan. well, that's certainly a potentially positive development in the context of a settlement, peacemaking is as hard as war fighting but i think there is a chance that there may be some progress. >> rose: i've got to the get go to seth because he has to leave me to do another commitment. do you think the president has got to make a big decision and what do you think he might be considering if he has to make a big decision? >> well, i think a couple of factors become important. one is how the u.s. deals with this current situation with the american soldier. zalmay said earlier if this can be dealt with relatively quickly, if justice can occur, i would just again point out that there have been a lot of civilian casualtiesty incidents over the past several years and, frankly, the taliban have committed roughly three quarters of them.

the pakistani army will be humiliated, defeated, and then the pakistani military leaders will go to the president and say, we can solve this problem by using nuclear weapons on the indian army. they have the theory that they use nuclear weapons only within pakistan that the indians would not respond with nuclear weapons, which is a crazy theory, but they believe it. so that's a scenario of how we have not just one nuclear bomb in the city, a terror bomb, but we could have a nuclear war break out between two major countries in the world. and this is what i learned from listening to the pakistani former defense minister, his fear that they're heading for that kind of a nuclear war. that caught my attention very seriously. >> let's spend a few minutes talking about the threat of a nuclear 9/11. quite a few of the questions from the audience deal with the question of nuclear terrorism. and to frame that discussion, i want to read an excerpt from a letter that albert einstein wrote to franklin roosevelt in 1939. it was this letter that led to the establishment of the manhattan project, and t

she was walking with a pakistani man in the northwestern city of pescawar. the pakistani taliban is the biggest islamist extremist group in the country. a spokesperson for the group told nhk that it was responsible. local police could not verify that, but they suspect islamist extremists are to blame. the pakistani taliban spokesperson also told nhk that the group would continue to target chinese under the oppression of muslims in a region of china comes to an end. the region in western china has frequently been rocked by riots and demonstrations. chinese authorities blame muslim extremists seeking independence. china's crackdown there appears to be intensifying. a chinese foreign ministry spokesperson on friday condemned the attack. he demanded that pakistan use all its strength to arrest the murders and guarantee the safety of chinese citizens in pakistan. china suspects that separatists are operating from a base across the border in pakistan. the latest incident may increase pressure on islamabad to tackle their presence on pakistani soil. >> and finally,

she was walking with a pakistani man in the northwestern city of pescawar. the pakistani taliban is the biggest islamist extremist group in the country. a spokesperson for the group told nhk that it was responsible. local police could not verify that, but they suspect islamist extremists are to blame. the pakistani taliban spokesperson also told nhk that the group would continue to target chinese under the oppression of muslims in a region of china comes to an end. the region in western china has frequently been rocked by riots and demonstrations. chinese authorities blame muslim extremists seeking independence. china's crackdown there appears to be intensifying. a chinese foreign ministry spokesperson on friday condemned the attack. he demanded that pakistan use all its strength to arrest the murders and guarantee the safety of chinese citizens in pakistan. china suspects that separatists are operating from a base across the border in pakistan. the latest incident may increase pressure on islamabad to tackle their presence on pakistani soil. >> and finally,

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the pakistanis will continue to object. but hopefully there will be cooperation on the key issue where the two sides can come together, and that is on facilitating these talks with the taliban. most of the taliban is in pakistan. pakistan can do a great deal to help the peace process. >> in france, mohammed merah is suspected of being behind the killings has come out that he was in afghanistan. >> unfortunately, you have the pakistani taliban who are fighting the pakistan army right now. they are becoming kind of a proxy for al qaeda. al qaeda has been decimated, but a lot of their ideas have been taken up by some elements of the pakistani taliban, who are still training a lot of europeans. there was a recent case of several germans who were trained, went back to germany, and the british muslims have been trying to go in there. the pakistan army is dealing with this issue, but it is extremely difficult. the terrain, the breakdown of relations with america, the lack of cooperation with america on the border of palestine. i h

the pakistanis will continue to object. but hopefully there will be cooperation on the key issue where the two sides can come together, and that is on facilitating these talks with the taliban. most of the taliban is in pakistan. pakistan can do a great deal to help the peace process. >> in france, mohammed merah is suspected of being behind the killings has come out that he was in afghanistan. >> unfortunately, you have the pakistani taliban who are fighting the pakistan army right now. they are becoming kind of a proxy for al qaeda. al qaeda has been decimated, but a lot of their ideas have been taken up by some elements of the pakistani taliban, who are still training a lot of europeans. there was a recent case of several germans who were trained, went back to germany, and the british muslims have been trying to go in there. the pakistan army is dealing with this issue, but it is extremely difficult. the terrain, the breakdown of relations with america, the lack of cooperation with america on the border of palestine. i h

but according to the wife's account to pakistani authorities, bin laden outwitted the u.s. by choosing to live in populated urban areas. >> so the united states was doing what came easy to it, looking in rural areas, while he was in nice homes in big cities. >> reporter: over his years on the run, bin laden lived in four different pakistani cities in five different safehouses, even as pakistani leaders repeatedly denied he was in the country. >> there is no proof whatsoever that he's here. >> reporter: amal and the two other wives sheared the crowded abbottabad compound where bin laden was ultimately found, a place where he spent his time watching satellite tv news and trying to keep peace among the wives and at least eight children and three grandchildren. >> i can only begin to imagine that looked like american reality tv. that he was living in some version of the kardashians in is abbottabad. >> reporter: amal was the clear favorite, the one who shared his bedroom and was shot in the leg trying to protect her husband during the u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s raid last year. >> that

the wives are expected to be charged with violations of pakistani immigration law next week and still not have been made available to the u.s. for a full interrogation. >> still not, a year later? >> reporter: they tried to talk quickly and they wouldn't talk at all. we still don't know all they have to say or who else might have helped them hide. >> all right, thank you so much, brian ross. >>> and now, how attached are you to the pennies in your pocket? a surprising headline today from our neighbors to the north, in canada. starting this fall, it will be the end of the penny there. they're going to stop making them, saying it will save $11 million a year to do it. and a lot of americans are now asking if it's time we do the same. abc's jon karl with the pros and cons. >> reporter: where would we be if we'd never had the penny? bing crosby couldn't sing about -- ♪ pennies from heaven >> reporter: no penny loafers, no penny candy. the sad truth? these days, a penny made is a penny wasted. as we discovered on a trip to the mint last year, a penny doesn't even buy a penny anymore. more

there is an issue and they briefed the pakistanis for quite some time. now i think the american realize the fact that pakistan needs to be brought on board if and when relations between the two countries are reviewed because for four months we've had a complete breakdown in relations. american officials have not talked to pakistani officials at all. >> suarez: in recent months, the united states passed its tenth anniversary in afghanistan. can the u.s. achieve its objective there is if it has a pakistan that doesn't see the future of the country in the same way? >> the well i think three essential things are needed which president obama stressed at the beginning of the administration but they have been overwhelmed. the first thing really is a regional consensus amongst the neighbors and that they will not muddy the waters by funding one warlord or the others which is what happened in the '90s and promoted the civil war. that has become much more difficult because the tensions with pakistan and with iran right now, of course. the second thing is you get p

the pakistani army will be humiliated and defeated and the pakistani leaders will go to the presidente can solve this problem by using nuclear weapons on the indian army. they have the theory that they use nuclear weapons only

the pakistanis will object to that. so we're not going to have a very clear, and we're not going to have a very committed relationship to each other. >> in terms of pakistan being on the brink, you describe pakistan as not being on the brink of becoming a failed state like yemen or somalia, but essentially being on the brink of anarchy. do you think it's really on the bring, that literally, it's about to happen? >> the real crisis in pakistan is internal, domestic, you know, economic, social. the fact that we've got pakistani taliban, there's an insurgency in another province, baluchistan. none of these issues are being tackled by the government or by the military. and it's this -- you know, when pakistan tries to, you know, keep india off on one side, afghanistan off on one side, instead of focusing -- i mean, the theme of my book, essentially, instead of focusing on this adventurism in foreign policy, there should be a total focus on the domestic situation, for at least the next decade. but you have a very powerful mi

and this led him to exploit his contacts within the pakistani military.e said he spoke with interrogators who spoke with bin laden three wives in abbottabad in may. he said there was a great deal of mistrust between bin laden's wives while living in extremely cramped conditions inside that house for five or six years. and that the newest arrival one of his older wives was particularly suspected, both by bin laden's wife, his newest wife, who was a 20 something-year-old woman and also by his son. they thought it was suspicious that this wife had suddenly turn up out of nowhere. she had actually come from iran and they felt that -- and since bin laden's death they've told pakistani interrogators or the younger wife has told pakistani interrogators, says she suspects the older wife had something to do with the americans finding her husband and obviously killing him. >> indeed. she's made allegations that she's the one who tipped off american intelligence. having said all that, we know that osama bin laden went from safe house to safe house for a while. and t

and pakistani military officials will meet in the pakistani capital islamabad today in the first high-levelince the nato airstrikes killed two dozen pakistani soldiers last member. commander of the u.s. central command general james mattis and commander of the international security assistance force in afghanistan general john allen will meet chief of staff of the pakistan army general parvez kayani. the meeting follows on the heels of president barack obama and pakistani prime minister yousuf raza gilani meeting yesterday on the sidelines of a nuclear summit in south korean capital seoul. president obama told prime minister gilani he hoped a parliamentary review of strained relations with washington would be balanced and would respect u.s. security needs. >> i want to express my appreciation to prime minister gilani for the work he has done and try to strengthen the relationship between our two countries. there have been times i think of the last several months or those relations have had serious strains but i welcome back to parliament and pakistan is reviewing after some extensive study,

. >> warner: much of the new information coming from pakistani interrogations of bin laden's youngest wife, a 30-year-old yemeni who sustained a gunshot wound to her leg the night bin laden was killed. the interrogation report first disclosed by the pakistani newspaper "dawn" shows bin laden ask his three wives were living in pakistani cities and towns for nearly all the time the americans were hunting him after the november 2001 invasion of afghanistan. amal ahmed abdul far,et told interrogators from 2002 to 2010, bin laden moved among five houses and fathers four children in the northwest city of peshawar near the afghanistan border. mat shell town of harip s in thr same region and from 2005 on, in abotabad. fatah and the two older saudi widows of bin laden are under house arrest at the capitol. for more we turn to dexter walsh in islam, and "washington post" columnist david ignatius who has written widely on pakistan and has had access to some of the documents found in bin laden's last house. welcome to you both. deckland, beginning with you, the picture that emerges here is quite

first we have that cross-border incident with the pakistanis in which american aircraft shot at a pakistaniorder post and killed 25 pakistani soldiers. relations with pakistan still haven't recovered. the supply routes through pakistan are still closed. then you have the burning of the koran which forces the commander in afghanistan to pull all of his advisors out of the afghan ministries for fear of retaliation. they're still not all back in the ministries. and now you have this which is obviously going to be another setback. war is a huge undertaking. it can withstand a number of mistakes. but when they start to pile up and accumulate in an atmosphere of war weariness.... >> i think it doesn't change what are the fundamental, you know, basics of this which is that this administration has already decided to accelerate the transition. secretary panetta told a group of pentagon reporters that we were going to be transitioning out of a combat role probably by the end of this year. so we'll be down to 68,000 troops in afghanistan this summer. i think we could see a significant drawdown after t

we have tried to contact pakistani officials for answers about that. what kind of government hospital was it? did pakistani officials have any idea that a wife of bin laden was giving birth to two of their children in a government hospital in pakistan? we have not gotten those answers yet, and no response to these new details from pakistani officials, new details from his wife about their life on the run with osama bin laden. erin? >> all right. time for outer circle where we reach out to our sources around the world. we begin in france where french police have arrested 19 people. suspected of islamist extremist in a series of raids across the country. the arrests come a week after seven people including three jewish children were shot and killed by 23-year-old mohammed merah. he was later killed by police after more than 30 hours of a standoff. jim bittermann is covering the story in paris. i asked him what we know about the suspects. >> erin, not a whole lot is known about the people picked up, except that some or all of them may be members of a grou