and the people on this panel on palestine are young and enthusiastic. so i think you're going to hear some excellent reports. i was going to start with jim because of his historical knowledge, but i think we'll leap forward. she's a visiting fellow this year and has been at other think tanks too. she's a human rights lawyer who is also a member of the palestine pal pol sit network. and she will be the first speaker. the second will be elizabeth camp bell. dr. campbell is the washington director of the unra office. and has served in the state department in the bureau of international organizations, chit didn't know existed until i read her biography. we want the to hear more about that. so let's begin. >> good morning. thank you to the organizers of the conference and dr. anthony for inviting me to share some thoughts with you today on the subject of palestine/israel peace. what i wanted to talk about today was the nature of the palestinian relationship to israel and by extension to the u.s. the relationship has been one defined by a series of if onlies.

reflection on being out of place to place being palestine. edward wadi so he was born in the first of november one thousand nine hundred thirty five into a world to do christian palestinian family in jerusalem in the open market neighborhood of toby you. edwards father of what he had served in the u.s. saw me in the first world war giving the family american citizenship. in one thousand nine hundred one he set up a stationary business with his cousin in cairo that meant the family would spend a good deal of time travelling between jerusalem and cairo for the next few years. while in the edward but it's. men fell last year and women are now a can rebel i mean that puts can or oh dear now again. michelle and dean and laddie can or cannot stand to be among. mao zedong and show him how he can i say hey you might do on a can no less can you see the shadow behind be eggy. lacking a shower. and nobody until the heck what have we left. that still can't see haven't been musser would be far less they're going to. reality at the integral of philosophy i

reflection on being out of trickster place being palestine. edward wadi so he was born in the first of november one thousand nine hundred thirty five into a world to do christian palestinian family in jerusalem in the op market neighborhood of tabio. edwards father of what he had served in the u.s. army in the first world war giving the family american citizenship. in one thousand nine hundred one he set up a stationary business with his cousin in cairo that meant the family would spend a good deal of time travelling between jerusalem and cairo for the next few years. while in the edward but it's not all men feel osteen and woman i laugh at how a ball can rebel i mean that puts care on day in our care. mission and dean and ladley can or cannot stand to be among. mao zedong and show him how we can i say hey you might do on a can or less can use the shepley beheading be eggy. macking a shower. and nobody until the heck what have we left so that the whole bot. ok. still got c. and b. musser well before last year. i. couldn't i must. well enough t

reflection on being out of place to place being palestine. edward wadi so he was born in the first of november one thousand nine hundred thirty five into a world to do christian palestinian family in jerusalem in the op market neighborhood of toby you. edwards father of what he had served in the u.s. on me in the first world war giving the family american citizenship. in one thousand nine hundred one he set up a stationary business with his cousin in cairo that meant the family would spend a good deal of time travelling between jerusalem and cairo for the next few years. while in the edward but it's. men fair last seen and woman i last saw how can rebel i mean that puts can or can. and dean and laddie can or cannot stand to be among. mao zedong and show him how he can i say hey you met him on a can no less can you see the shadow behind be eggy. makin me a shower. and nobody until the heck what have we left. that still got seon be musser would be far less the if only i were really at the dinner i love philosophy in wyler can edwards could not

part of the event included a discussion on palestine. this is an hour and 20 minutes. >>> ladies and gentlemen, good morning. welcome on behalf of the board of directors of the national and staff of the national council in u.s.-arab relation. i'm honored to welcome you to the 27th annual washington policymakers conference. the national council was founded in 1983 as an american nongovernment, nonprofit educational organization due typical proving knowledge of the arab world. we're grateful for the generous and enduring support of our sponsors. they are listed on the program guide. and behind me. simply put, we could not do what we do without their enduring support. i also want to thank our distinguished speakers and panelists who have traveled great distances and will cover over the next two days share their knowledge and insights. at this time i'll turn the podium over to my der friend dr. anthony. as many of you, dr. anthony needs no introduction. if i were to summarize his accomplishments and honors i would be here for the next-hour a

like palestine iraq has also been affected by the legacy of sykes people. in two thousand and three a u.s. led coalition declared war on iraq believing it to possess weapons of mass destruction and aiming to oust president saddam hussein. however the coalition didn't tar the clear recovery plan for a post saddam iraq and six tarion and ethnic armed west seriously destabilize the country. or the invasion of other areas that were there were intermingled sure so he lived in the same areas that were america. in fact in the early years invasion iraqis insist that never they were too closely. but the sledgehammer smashed the society. or. did manage to instigate a conflict once the conflict starts there's a predictable cycle of violence that takes place by calm i think primarily with three main object. the first is to support the administrator. gerry brahma. in what he is doing in this transitional period for iraq. if you look at the history of modern iraq since two thousand and three you might say that no leader has come through who's been able to settle iraq and

it was through art near me that i first experience palestine as history and cause. it was also she who communicated to me the desolations of being without a country or a place to return to. but i couldn't really comprehend the tragedy that had befallen them nor could i piece together all the different narrative fragments to understand what had really happened in palestine. the palestinian cause was always deep seated and edward's eye intellectual emotional or. physical life. and what made him such an extraordinary scholar an intellectual was that he was always connecting different aspects of his life he never compartmentalize do you know there are many academics for you know the the private the personal one aspect of their life and then the intellectual the professional is another aspect where they're going to say there was an integration of all aspects of of of of being. after nine hundred forty eight saeed family couldn't go back from cairo to jerusalem western losing them had become almost entirely israeli but edwards didn't stay in egypt long he was expelled fro

he's cofounded students for justice and palestine and american muslims for palestine. he's been a leader of the bds movement since the beginning and a signatory to the u.s. campaign for the academic and cultural boycott of israel. we're also excited to have ariel gold. she holds a bachelor's degree and a master's from the state of new york. she's a founder and current staff at code pink. and we have our very own gadeir bazian who is a senior attorney with cair. he is also president of the national american muslim lawyers, and he has his degree from the university law school. i would like to start this session, dr. bazian, if you can provide us with a brief history of how the bds movement came into what it is. >> one has to step back a little bit to speak of the south africa anti-apartheid movement. because the inspiration and the development of the bds was to follow and to take the example of the south african anti-apartheid movement and try to use the same approach that made the anti-apartheid movement successful. so beginning, i would say, in the mid-'90s, there was

it was through aren't near me that i first experience palestine as history and cause. it was also she who communicated to me the desolation of being without a country or a place to return to. but i couldn't really comprehend the tragedy that had befallen them nor could i piece together all the different narrative fragments to understand what had really happened in palestine. the palestinian cause was always deep seeded and edwards intellectual emotional or. physical life. and what made him such an extraordinary scholar an intellectual was that he was always connecting different aspects of his life he never compartmentalize to know that many academics for you know the the private the personal one aspect of their life and the intellectual the professional is another aspect where there were there was an integration of all aspects of of of of being. after nine hundred forty eight saeed family couldn't go back from cairo to jerusalem western loosen them had become almost entirely israeli but edwards didn't stay in egypt long he was expelled from school and sent to the east

it was through our that i first experience palestine as history and cause. it was also she who communicated to me the desolations of being without a country or a place to return to. but i couldn't really comprehend the tragedy that had befallen them nor could i piece together all the different narrative fragments to understand what had really happened in palestine. the palestinian cause was always deep seeded and edwards i intellectual emotional or. physical life. and what made him such an extraordinary scholar an intellectual was that he was always connecting different aspects of his life he never compartmentalize do you know that many academics for you know the the private the personal one aspect of their life and then the intellectual the professional is another aspect with edward saeed there was an integration of all aspects of of of of being. after nine hundred forty eight the saeed family couldn't go back from cairo to jerusalem western loosen them had become almost entirely israeli but edwards didn't stay in egypt long he was expelled from school and

saeed found himself increasingly absorbed by east west cultural studies as well as palestine and thearab israeli conflict. this was expressed in his published writing. he was born into a christian family in west jerusalem though he was not a religious man but this did not stop him arguing strongly in covering islam that the western media distorts the image of islam. in the question of palestine in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine he traced the clash between two middle eastern peoples followed by his first book on structuralist literary critical theory here is text the book called the world the text and the critique remains as singular achievement of his literary. now after the publication of orientalism and soon after orientalism cultural imperialism that those two books became so important in the field of course growing on the studies that they overshadow his military work but the fact is that increasingly if you go from one university to another in u.s. europe the arab world etc you will see that the significance of his need to really work is increasingly coming to the surfac

died soon after the war aged thirty nine he cast a long shadow across the arab world especially palestine. on the sykes picos map it was colored brown an area under international administration yet to be decided. of britain's three wartime promises the one made by foreign minister author balfour proved the most enduring and controversial. kind of ma that cycle a one one. said they're. going to be a lot of latin with up to four one at c.s.u. i'm going to show any of her site by then her mom and all her while it's a lot. about the battle for. there were many reasons for baal for his promise after centuries of a nice image ism in russia and europe jews had started to settle in palestine. the jewish nationalist movement zionism was gaining momentum its leader was a russian born chemistry professor in manchester. the vitamin process for producing acetone fed britain's wartime munitions production and his notoriety enabled him to lobby the british government to support a jewish national home in palestine. in june one nine hundred seventeen vitamin and the jewish banker and politician walter rot

the palestine liberation organization. sykes deal with pekoe was never formally enacted on the ground but it did bear a close resemblance to the way the british prime minister and french president carved things up at the end of the war. the partition was a fact of occupation and then the british and the french negotiated and clemenceau and lloyd george themselves negotiated probably in a taxi between victoria station and and ten downing street when clemenceau arriving in london and in december of one nine hundred eighteen so it was completely casual and resisted and opposed by virtually everyone in the region. so mark sykes died soon after the war aged thirty nine he cast a long shadow across the arab world is.

the palestine liberation organization. sykes deal with pekoe was never formally enacted on the ground but it did bear a close resemblance to the way the british prime minister and french president carved things up at the end of the war. the partition was a fact of occupation and then the british and the french negotiated and clemenceau and lloyd george themselves negotiated probably in a taxi between victoria station and and ten downing street when clemenceau arriving in london and in december of one nine hundred eighteen so it was completely casual and resisted and opposed by virtually everyone in the region. so mark sykes died soon after the war aged thirteen. nine he caused a long shadow across the arab world especially palestine. on the sykes picos map it was colored brown an area under international administration yet to be decided. of britain's three wartime promises the one made by foreign minister author balfour proved the most enduring and controversial. kind of ma that cycle a one was. going to be a lot of in wit

interview since being appointed is palestine's ambassador to the u.k. dr who sounds almost the best of thanks so much for coming on the show first of all the significance of this week's independence so-called independence anniversary it's very significant that was a moment of a collective well by the palestinians what happened there. here's what happened palestinians as a nation have asserted their quest for statehood or independence or sovereignty for a common. distillation and for being part of the national community on the one the other hand it was a painful moment of compromise because that's one goal the historical historic compromise but that was an essential compromise by the collective decision making of the palestinian people because it was a moment of hope for peace people have come to terms that it's more about the future it's more about our children rather than about about what has taken place since then it has only been about the expansion of israel they all go in. and so it's just a reminder for us that we should not lose hope and we shoul

saeed found himself increasingly absorbed by east west cultural studies as well as palestine and the arab israeli conflict this was expressed in his published writing. he was born into a christian family in west jerusalem so he was not a religious man but this did not stop him arguing strongly in covering islam that the western media distorts the image of islam. in the question of palestine in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine he traced the clash between two middle eastern people followed by his first book on structuralist literary critical theory here texts the book called the world the text and they pretty remains singular achievement of his literary signal. now after the publication of orientalism and soon after orientalism cultural imperialism that those two books became so important in the field of course crony of the studies that they overshadow his military work but the fact is that increasingly if you go from one university to another in u.s. europe the arab world etc you will see that the significance of his need to really work is increasingly coming to the surface and

but palestine including jerusalem was designated as an international zone in brown. all those like speaker was never implemented it formed the basis of future negotiations and the post autumn in middle east resembled the areas of influence it created so the map has different colors different letters but ultimately what really matters is the line in the sand that runs from the coast to the persian from here. in this yes. the national. fates x. people. while they're not quite as mean. don't really need to know the arab men. called for most of the. mining is. done is. a shabby larby from the who let it. be funny in a funny way the british felt that the system that the arabs so viewed as a betrayal. was in keeping with the terms of what they've agreed with the hashemites because they were still considering the territories if there is informal british and french influence as kingdoms to be ruled by arabs and there was even one mention of the sharif of mecca and their sites because agreement to route things out but ultimately for the arabs six fico was double dealing and i

all the every does is that they have probably seen palestine double their wad bureau. with only a certain image maria let's show you for saying i don't mind the level. of all the thing these mild for and so we. filmed a little more how to belittle the men in the world in the in these very that i'd either feel that. yeah you can leave out also they're going to require a liberal number of. significantly in the three months that the british promised parts of greater syria to sharif are saying they told the french that any agreement relating to the borders of an arab kingdom would not be finalized without their consent. they knew how strong the french interest in syria was. on the first of october nine hundred fifteen the french ambassador to britain paul campbell wrote to his prime minister beyond me to tell him that london had requested a french representative to draw the borders of an arab kingdom with syria. in this document the french ambassador suggested hans want george peacoat would manage the general consulate in beirut for over a year and knew the syrian issue be

palestine including jerusalem was designated as an international zone in brown. all those like speaker was never implemented it formed the basis of future negotiations and the post autumn in middle east resembled the areas of influence it created so the map has different colors different letters but ultimately what really matters is the line in the sand that runs from the coast to the persian from their state in this yes. the national. fates x. people. while they're not quite as mean. don't really need to know the arab men. that called for most of the. mining is. done. shall be from the who let it. be funny in a funny way the british felt that the system that the arabs so viewed as a betrayal. was in keeping with the terms of what they've agreed with that guides because they were still considering the territories if there is an informal british infection floyds as kingdoms to be ruled by arabs and there was even one mention of the sharif of mecca and the sites because to route things out but ultimately for the arabs sites fico was double dealing and it seemed to

reflection on being out of place to place being palestine. edward wadi so he was born in the first of november one thousand nine hundred thirty five into a world to do christian palestinian family in jerusalem in the op market neighborhood of toby you. edwards father of what he had served in the u.s. saw me in the first world war giving the family american citizenship. in one thousand nine hundred one he set up a stationary business with his cousin in cairo that meant the family would spend a good deal of time travelling between jerusalem and cairo for the next few years. while in the edward but it's. men fell last year and women are now hearing that i mean that puts can or can. michel and dean and laddie can or cannot stand to be among our maoism and show em how we can i say hey you might do on a can no less can you see the shadow behind be eggy. macking a shower. and nobody until the heck what have we left. that still can't see haven't been musser would be far less the if only i were low reality at the integral of philosophy in one or. the

jewish communities had existed in palestine for centuries. beginning in one nine hundred twenty large numbers of jews most of them from europe began immigrating to the region. zionist organizations demanded that a national home for jewish people should be created in palestine. during the war britain had said that any new jewish state should not disrupt existing arab communities britain made these and other promises to win arab support against the ottomans. the british officer t.e. lawrence better known as lawrence of arabia served as a liaison between the british and arab forces. in november nine hundred twenty one the jewish agency for palestine was created to oversee jewish interests in the region. zionist leader and future israeli president hi invites man noted at the time palestine will be as jewish as an england is english and america is america. the seeds of the conflicts between palestinian jews and arabs had been sown. in one thousand nine hundred twenty tensions were running high in constantinople now known as istanbul. immediately a

all the every does is that they have probably seen palestine. is the one had. with money certainly mcmahon let's show you the same i don't mind the level. of all the thing these miles and so we. filmed the brutally minimal world in living this way or that i'd either feel that mean. yeah you can lot of us are there when rottweiler and we are normal friends or. significantly in the three months that the british promised parts of greater syria to sharif christine they told the french that any agreements relating to the borders of an arab kingdom would not be finalized without their consent. they knew how strong the french interest in syria was. on the first of october nine hundred fifteen the french ambassador to britain paul campbell wrote to his prime minister. to tell him that london had requested a french representative to draw the borders of an arab kingdom with syria. in this document the french ambassador suggested hans want george. would manage the general consulate in beirut for over a year and knew the syrian issue better than anyone else. aloft also jus

in the occupied west bank a major project is underway by the palestine museum to collect and digitize hundreds of thousands of items of historical significance in the face of can. in historical denial palestinians are finding other way to preserve collective memory archival fever this attempt to really record and. these histories and stories has been from the very beginning part of the palestinian struggle for memory and to a certain extent for liberation there is no single authoritative palestinian archive that may be a blessing in disguise because the more voices and the more multiplicity we have i think all of those things are sources of richness not poverty and the host have a taste i don't think that palestinian history should be deprived of documents and evidence it is important to return the material to the owners so that it won't be me someone with privilege and access who writes the palestinians history but rather palestinian researchers themselves israeli society must learn to respect a knowledge and understand palestinian society and its history because without that there i

in the occupied west bank a major project is underway by the palestine museum to collect and digitize hundreds of thousands of items of historical significance in the face of. new in historical denial palestinians are finding other ways to preserve collective memory archival fever this attempt to really record and. these histories and stories has been from the very beginning are part of the palestinian struggle for memory and to a certain extent for liberation there is no single authoritative palestinian archive that may be a blessing in disguise because the more voices and the more multiplicity we have i think all of those things are sources of richness not poverty and the host have a taste i don't think that palestinian history should be deprived of documents and evidence it is important to return the material to the owners so that it won't be me someone with privilege and access who writes the palestinians history but rather palestinian researchers themselves israeli society must learn to respect a knowledge and understand palestinian society and its history because without that th

the palestine liberation organization. sykes deal with pico was never formally enacted on the ground but it did bear a close resemblance to the way the british prime minister and french president carved things up at the end of the war. the partition was a fact of occupation and then the british and the french negotiated and clemenceau and lloyd george themselves negotiated probably in a taxi between victoria station and ten downing street when clemenceau arrived in in london and in december of one nine hundred eighteen so it was completely casual and resisted and opposed by virtually everyone in the region. so mark sykes died soon after the war aged thirteen. nine he cast a long shadow across the arab world especially palestine. on the sykes picos map it was colored brown an area under international administration yet to be decided. of britain's three wartime promises the one made by foreign minister author balfour proved the most enduring and controversial. kind of ma that cycle a one was. going to be a lot of land with u

that's happened and palestine. really yes and turkey fifteen your former minister in the palestinian authority shockey. resigned over corruption last year he said it was not permitted to carry out any useful action to reduce corruption known corrupt officials he said were removed those suspected of corruption at the positions strengths and i know some kind of i'm not there no shocker lisa is going the opposition that would opposition and and he has a right to say whatever he wants any chance of corruption any palestinian who claims from member present are backs down he has the right to walk up court and the corruption and submit his case all right. what about the case of palestinian allies this was singled out but why how much of the treasury last year continued payment of hundreds of salaries to employees in the palestinian airlines there is of course no palestinian and not the company is not registered in accordance with the law there is no sense of responsibility how do you explain this hundreds of salaries when

just over 70 years ago, the united nations voted to divide palestine. the aim was to create a new home for holocaust survivors and jewish settlers from around the world. it spurred many conflicts between the israelis and the local arab population. in a series of wars, israel expanded its territory, taking control of large swathes of palestinian areas. palestinians in urgent need of medical cacare used to be ready admitted to israeli hospitals. but by 2016, a fifth were unable to access treatment. a group of volunteers is trying to help bridge the gap. reporter: on this beach close to the town of caesarea, volunteers are getting ready for some special guests. the israelis are full of anticipation. their visitors are coming from the west bank. and they are just as excited about the trip. they are palestinians who've been granted a special entry visa. the invitation came from an israeli organization called baderech lehachlama, meaning the road to recovery. shuli: we want them to have fun and feel happy. as an israeli i feel bad because we arere their occup

another with the zionist movement to create a jewish national home in palestine. and a secret pact with its own told ally france to divide the levant and mesopotamia between them don't sit. their key didn't want to follow this issue they said it. will present a little present on the school bible about equality. between all don't imply one will die notice of the anti of security but any sponsor a policy created level does that. seek. to give him preach that. while the british were still negotiating with sorry for cenovus potential revolt in one thousand nine hundred fifteen they and france appointed delegates to draw up this secret deal for dividing up ottoman territory. the french were represented by shul francois pekoe the former consul general in beirut. and the british by the government's middle east advisor so mark sykes.

a similar mandate for palestine trans-jordan and iraq was awarded to britain. there were huge reserves of petroleum in iraq and they would now be controlled mostly by britain. the treaty also provided far enough thomas kurdish region in the new turkish stay. home jewish communities have existed in qana stine for centuries. beginning in one nine hundred twenty large numbers of jews most of them from europe began immigrating to the region. zionist organizations demanded that a national home for jewish people should be created in palestine. during the war britain had said that any new jewish state should not disrupt existing arab communities britain made these and other promises to win arab support against the ottomans. the british officer t.e. lawrence better known as lawrence of arabia served as a liaison between the british and arab forces. in november nine hundred twenty one the jewish agency for palestine was created to oversee jewish interests in the region. zionist leader and future israeli president high in vitamin noted at the time palestine will be as je

they weren't there the popular front for the liberation of palestine they weren't there either they didn't turn out if they were there because you were stolen truck crashed and they think about decisions that's not true i was there accusations from the secretary to make them just falling apart i know palestinians falling apart i am the secretary general of the people up. front attends all belong to the committee meetings till yesterday they decided not to come to the console center. just listen i cannot stand guard on their lips i cannot stand guard look at actions are told we are full democracy the reasons they were cut it when you can ask them why the book of failure of the palestinian national movement is just mentioned them and please stop listening i have seven grandchildren and women will be much more nationalist and much more unified than me and your generation look at look at the latest polling in support of congress to you in polling sixty two percent want your president to resign sixty seven percent of the satisfied with the performance of the palestinian authority three q

some us last month's meeting of your central council the democratic front for the liberation of palestine they weren't that the popular front for the liberation of palestine they weren't there either they didn't turn out if they were there because you are storming i'm procrastinating about decisions that suffer i was there accusation i'm the secretary rice really goes i'm just falling apart i am a palestinian is falling apart and i am the secretary general of the p.l.o. in the front at the end all the logs that committee meeting still yesterday. maybe decided not to come to the center console but this little certain kind of stunned got on their lips i cannot stand guard of their actions or their total we are a full democracy the reason they were caught that when you can ask them why the book failure of the palestinian national movement is it's just a nation. and please stop listening i have seven grandchildren and believe me they would be much more nationalist and much more unified than me and your generation look at look at the latest polling in september come the studio in polling sixty

if you look at him he came to america in the late fifty's as a child as a refugee from palestine. he had quite a tough life growing up and then suddenly he's in the spotlight as the assassin the robert kennedy without remember anything that happened that night. kennedy had authorized the selling of bombers to israel and that incensed him because he was from palestine and he felt the palestinians were getting a bad rap that's what his lawyers argued in the trial that he was so upset at that that he kind of snapped and went into a self-induced trance and and killed kennedy in a you know moment of rage. i believe that's her hand was a gentle person who had never done a violent thing in this life. when he saw kennedy speak at an earlier event he said kennedy looked like a saint to him and. it's like this was a man whose politics really lined up with certain hands so it is a weird break for him to suddenly turn out to want to kill the guy who really is more sympathetic to his cause than any other politician on the american scene sirhan sirhan had no criminal record before robert kenned

edward saeed worked hard in the us media to explain how the nine hundred eighty eight palestine declaration was in fact a compromise and this pave the way for the nine hundred ninety one madrid conference and then the signing of the oslo accords on the white house lawn in september nine hundred ninety three by yasser arafat going to be an mahmoud abbas. but saeed had become increasingly critical of the way the negotiations were heading and had resigned from the p. and c. in the one nine hundred ninety one. he considered the oslo agreement to be unfair and far too heavily weighted in favor of israel and it amounted he said to a palestinian surrender. it was a complete chance i was outraged by the document. these rarely government letter to the p.l.o. was one and i have lines in which it says the government of israel recognizes that the p.l.o. is the representative of palestinian people. the palestinian letter was a page and a half long single spaced apologizing for terrorists saying that we've taken back this we're not going to do this again we recognize israel the right to live in peace rec

station in palestine in the latest air raid it's israeli warplanes targeted a t.v. station belonging to the palestinian resistance movement hamas at least three palestinians have so far been killed during the israeli air strikes aerial bombardment of a t.v. channel al aqsa t.v. by an air force by the u.k. is not unprecedented though you're looking at the radio television serbia headquarters in belgrade yugoslavia bombed today by nato forces the attack not the state run station off the air killing ten people and wounding nineteen with twenty believed to still be buried in the debris according to an associated press report amnesty international called the bombing of the t.v. station a war crime noam chomsky called the terrorism bill clinton and tony blair arguably more guilty of crimes against journalism when donald trump will have more of the week's atrocities in u.k. armed israeli and saudi military action later in the show first after the british government's de-facto defeat in the face of german corbin's onslaught of a brics it legal advice i'm joined by former u.

interview since being appointed his palestine's ambassador to the u.k. dr hassan is almost a master thanks so much for coming on the show first of all the significance of this week's independence so-called independence anniversary is very significant that was a moment of a collective will by the palestinians what happened thirty years ago what happened palestinians as a nation have asserted the quest for states or independence for sovereignty for a common. distillation and for being part of the national community on the one hand on the other hand that was a painful moment of compromise because that's been called a historical historic compromise but that was an essential compromise by the collective decision making of the palestinian people because it was a moment of hope for peace people have come to terms that it's more about the future it's more about our children rather than about about what has taken place since then it has only been about the expansion of the ongoing or visit and so it's just a reminder for us that we should not.