who said that all the palestinian side; that is the palestinian authority, hamas, islamic jihad, allthe political parties had agreed with two things, one they wanted to proposal 24-hour humanitarian pause, and two, they were prepared to go to cairo, a delegation, to negotiate with the egyptians about a much more long-term ceasefire deal. then the egyptians might bring in the israelis. what we have just heard is that he would accept the idea of a pause in principle, but only if israel signs up to it too. it seems this has not been particularly well coordinated as we have seen several times with these proposed truces. it begs the question that the un who are operating behind the scenes and putting forward this idea of a pause to the palestinian groups to hamas, to the palestinian authority, and on the other side, israel, whether it's time for the un to get ahead of all of this, and ban ki-moon to come out and say i want a truce six hours from now. because it seems when it comes from one side, then you get this great deal of confusion. i think some of the confusion might be solved in th

lastly, for palestinian unity, he is for the palestinian demands. he considers them as rights, as palestinians inherit rights, and they have to be met. >> how important was the speech publicly, marr wob, because it was assumed khalid would have spoken to president mahmoud abbas before appearing in qatar, and more than likely he would have spoken to the mayor of qatar. john kerry, tonight, would have been watching the speech very closely. >> yes, i think he would, and what we heard from meshaal today is similar to what we heard from mahmoud abbas. he made a speech condemning the occupation and aggression against gaza and the likes, from ramallah. you could say the tone of the president and the tone of the head of hamas is very similar. they did meet in doha and the meeting was cordial and productive. they do meet eye to eye on all the issues concerning the demands for a ceasefire, and all the palestinian factions are on board with it. so you could say, at least on the surface - we don't know what is going on behind closed doors - but on the surface o

the palestinian death toll is near 650. more than 4000 palestinians have been wounded. according to gaza officials, 475 houses have been destroyed and 26 homes partially damaged. israel has also struck 46 schools, 56 mosques, and seven hospitals. two more israeli soldiers have been killed, bringing the death toll inside gaza to 29. a farm worker from thailand also died in israel after being hit by rocket fire from gaza. state john kerry is in israel today for talks with israel and then palestinian authorities. abbassday, mahmoud begin a talks to process for a cease-fire. now pillay says there is a strong possibility israel has committed war crimes in gaza. she cited the attack on residential homes in the sewage idea neighborhood and the attack of the al-aqsa hospital. most of them are civilians and we also have children and women. yesterday, and al-aqsa hospital was attacked with apple you are people dead, dozens wounded. there is a strong allegation of crime committed by israel in order to establish this war crime, we ask for a strong international inquiry. tos has to

who are in solidarity with the palestinian struggle for justice to allow palestinian civil society to continue to take the lead and to not try to impose our own conditions and our own limitations on their struggle it's unfortunate that the nation is chosen to publish this thank you so much max blumenthal always an incredible insight on this crisis really appreciate it thanks for having me. whether it be hip hop rock or r. and b. many popular american musical genres exist today only because of the birth of jazz and blues that's why i'm especially excited to be featuring my next guests there are three piece band from l.a. called the young old man comprised of members need to dig runs and we'll listen in qur'an gandhi their musical influences spanned far beyond the u.s. and india west africa and iran and their personal narratives translate into incredibly soulful music style of playing that falls in their hybrid genre called travel blues here they are performing the song plastic lives. see. the. little. war is probably the most complex and difficult human activity. still locked up. in th

nobody can blame the palestinians. the arabs had the initiative in 2002 in beirut. 12 years later what did israel dop. the american administration what did it do, and the palestinians actually provided all the positive indication in order to reach a genuine peace. but those who killed it is israel. she says that she wants the peace but it wants security. and it wants the land only. how can it have the land and security and not reach the peace. >> rose: what you reflect is what martin indyk without worked with secretary kerry said s the problem leer in the end is palestinians don't trust the israelis. and the israelis don't trust the palestinians. in the end that's the problem. how do you get beyond that? how do you create trust? >> mr. charles, do you think that the key for the solution is trust? we are actually enemies. they are the occupiers. we are enemies. the solution doesn't start with trust. as i said, the solution starts with the international community's volumician to say to the israeli occupation stop. enough

definitely i can tell by the palestinian side, with the palestinian government or people.here's not much faith in the u.s. pressuring israel to come to an agreement. we saw the obama administration try to pressure the israeli government. it failed. they tried to pressure binyamin netanyahu on a partial freeze. it barely worked. there's not much faith in that end. this is creating a reality for palestinians of free thinking, is that the way forward. if there's no negotiations any more, and it"s failing, and settlements are growing, is the peace process in its current framework going to work. most palestinians will say no. there's a shift among palestinians that israelis and americans don't see yet, which is people coming to say "we don't want the pa and plo any more. we don't want the 2-state solution any more", and there's a major shift that will be much more represented among palestinians. people saying "if you are not going to give us a 2-state solution, we'll fight for equal rights. make up your find. you can't say you want peace and eat more and more land." >> recently

not just the palestinians. we should fight arabs and jews to preserve that. >> my opinion is that both sides, people are tired, fatigued and brainwashed and they will not reeble in a way that they would march? the streets. people are saying i care about my four corners and my garden, and it's out of my control and i don't see this rebellion happening. >> clearly i'm the optimist of 2002 of us. in fact, i believe that rather than creating two separate states, one israeli and one palestinian, that we should have a one-state solution where everyone shares in the same land and has equal rights. i know i'm in the minority with this idea. still, the situation in the west bank and in israel is so complicated now that you have a scrambled situation, where the israelis are living amongst palestinians, and palestinians are living amongst israelis, and the question really is how to separate the two people. one of the israeli intellectuals that dealt with this binational situation which we are in is the former deputy mayor

as israel wants to have power over and control every single aspect of palestinians lives then palestinians will resist it's human nature and it's also their legal right and it's their moral obligation to try to improve the lives of their own children so i i don't understand the strategy and i'd really like martin to explain it how can you get security by oppressing another people how does that make you more secure to me it makes you much much much less secure ok martin go ahead i couldn't agree more we need we the british needed. to warm. part of the very public that would favor the war for the west bank because the wall forgot that because we haven't been there for years if only we could have a for bruce agreement but that. would division of white vote because hamas does not even recognize israel so what are you talking about ok let me go to volunteer before we go to the first part of the program i want you to describe to us what it is what's going on in gaza here i mean israel wants peace i find it really laughable i'm sorry i mean there is there's so much disproportionate use of force h

us [indiscernible] and the palestinians. israelis -- the palestinians subject to lack mailing. they had nine months of negotiations and the outcome was zero. we will be delving into negotiations. rights and as a superpower they can come held call uponis and i do not only toration , they need to diagnose the disease and they need to on ther state emerge borders of 1967. >> not 1948. 1960 -- 1967 borders. >> this is the program. >> the problem is? is the siege, the occupation. occupationstop the and stop the siege and then we can have security and peace in the region. >> president obama said another expectsaid no nation can not to respond when rockets have been rained down on top of them and the argument is it would not have happened if you had not sent those rockets in the beginning. beyond that.his what is your short-term goal and your long-term goal? all -- those who started shooting is not gaza. it is not gaza. -- gave thewere aggression. it is mr. obama who was stupefied or surprised by such action. the question is as follows. do you expect anyone not to respond if he is att

bids on pf of the palestinians -- on behalf of the palestinians. and even at the cost of the appeal go -- of the plo. the cost of the prime minister to proceed. -- as i talk about lots of little projects through the occupied territories, many of them through the not high jacobousual -- non--high jackable usual bepects, not only will there a future, but in a big way, yes, for that. collect there has been a backlighting of the bottom up approach, the faith approach. we have seen through palestinian politics a freedom of expression. and part of that is the top-down focus. yad, theerence from fa degree to which his population is still measured. and unfortunately, his father passed away recently and the for populars called demonstration any approach he adopted. that is good news for the approach. the bad news is, there is no mechanism within palestinian transfer- politics to third-party ethics. that is why i have been advocating throughout my comics part of a political -- through my comments part of a political change. we have talked a lot about the ref

palestinians can't get in or out of gaza.they're prevented by israel and egypt, which largely executes u.s. and israeli policy. food, basic goods, the right to import and export -- all of these things are banned from them. this has devastated the economy, devastated lives. people feel trapped. they often speak of how they live in a biggest open-air prison in the world. even the sea, fishermen cannot go out to fish where israeli warships await them. you really feel it. you feel this war exacerbate ing. you hear the booms of the ships, the drones in the air. even if you wanted to leave, you can't. the egyptian border is closed as well. there are no shelters here. orre are no defense systems sirens. there's really nowhere to run. you don't know where it is safe. people are dying inside their homes. inside hospitals. not from theirwounds, but from being bombed and wounded again by the israeli military. >> sharif, thank you for being with us. please, they say. sharif abdel kouddous in gaza city. at can see his reports nation.com a

we denounce its war on the palestinian people. the latest development following the beginning of the land incursion against the strip last night. jordan denounces this disproportionate, unjustified use of excessive force. jordan denounces the ndiscriminate targeting of , the sons ilians and daughters of the palestinian people. mr. president, has humanity where the world has become so accustomed to seeing dead children in gaza, dead children on the beaches of za, and dead children in the remains of their destroyed homes? the israeli aggression has 270 martyrs up until now as well as more than 1,500 injured. the numbers continue to scalate. the united nations report that re than 80% of the palestinian casualties are civilians. 20% are e than children. 1,600 palestinian homes have been obliterated. tens of thousands of palestinians have left their homes in the north and center of gaza. more than 18,000 have sought refuge in our schools. more than half of the people of .aza are living without water many schools and health facilities h

for palestinians the palestinian authority had been a unable to stop that so here we have hamas a. chance to change parties that's usually considered a very positive thing for a democracy to see that there is a sharing of power that a power different party can be elected it was pro-trade accurately at that time is not corrupt that it would fight for the rights of palestinians to try to prevent the continued confiscation of their land so there was an election held by all accounts it was a fair election hamas was elected. israel did not want that so immediately gaza in particular came under a great deal of pressure especially economic pressure. hamas was demonized although it had won in the election there are resistance forces in the palestinian territories that are armed but hamas was also a political party that had done a great deal. had organized clinics schools etc which of course then makes all of those fair game i guess for bombing targets we have about twenty seconds left alice and obviously the two state solution. doesn't get on the table what can people do to help stop this

the palestinians in gaza but the attacks on gaza are nothing new they've been going on for since the gaza strip was created in the early fifty's israel wants a palestinian to go down on the knees and surrender of course they don't and so therefore israel has to continue to bomb them if you were to be a little hopeful he would say that perhaps the world will step in this time and stop israel and perhaps force israel to end the siege and so on but as for now i don't expect israel will will want to stop to stop the violence at all fred in new york would you like to weigh in here what do you think israel's game plan is what is the end game by the way and go ahead for ok first of all are ok i have a problem with this word onslaught israeli onslaught of the fact is if any war crimes are being committed at the moment the big committed by hamas are just to quote my friend the palestinian ambassador at the united nations mr krishi or crazy i apologize if i'm mispronouncing your name made the comment the hamas send hundreds of missiles into civilian areas that's considered a war crime even giv

what do the palestinians do? what do hamas is doing they tried to explode a tunnel in order to try and kidnap israelis. so the bottom line from my point of view is a clearcut. hamas is trying to do everything to derail anything that we are trying to achieve peace with the palestinian authority. those on the palestinian authority who would do an unity with hamas are not trying to work for peace but doing everything it can to not achieve peace. >> can you give an update on both the case of the palestinian teenager that was burned, and also the palestinian-american that was beaten, if you could, what is the status of that. i know in the u.n. there is a draft statement. >> and the second part is the issue of the police excessive force. there is no, zero tolerance to police excessive use of force, and they will be--the justice ministry has already opened an investigation on them. israel, like i said, has an amazing judicial system, and those things don't pass. it's important to put in context the fact that those six c

in andplanning to go kill more palestinians knowing full well they will be burning more palestinian childrenst like the one burned by these four or five individuals who were not soldiers. new.is nothing i think it is important to look at this not as an isolated issue or incident, but part of a larger issue that has to be israelis andhat palestinians can finally move forward. >> miko peled, you were arrested recently at a protest in the west bank, protesting the occupation or one of a group of israelis who regularly takes part in the solidarity actions. has the brutal killing of mohammed abu khedir done anything to raise discussion about the settlements, about the fact his occupation is continuing and palestinians are subjected to this type of brutality every day? soi think it only has done isthat the foreign press suddenly interested again. in terms of the discussion on the palestinian side, this is nothing new. this particular brutal case of murder is really nothing new. what you think happens when israel dropped tons of bombs from the air in gaza? children get burned. this is one of the ab

at this point over 1000 palestinians have been killed as well.e that the number is 45 israeli soldiers and three civilians killed in israel. can you talk about the latest negotiations over cease-fire and what you'd think needs to happen? be on your show, amy. there is no sign for a cease-fire on the ground itself. there are sort of two competing initiatives going on. initiative wants to dictate to the return to the status quote. marginalizing and disregarding everything that hamas was fighting for. there is a more serious effort that the secretary of state was to tryto push forward and address some of the issues that are at the heart of this present wave of violence. haver none of the to affected the reality on the ground, apart from a certain low over the last few hours compared to the last 20 days. >> there were protests in tel aviv. how many people came out. were you there at the protest? >> i was. there were about 700 people. tel aviv, 3000. i should say, of course, that a large number of the protesters are palestinian citizens of israel. the

this statement was made by a woman who also said palestinians -- there are no palestinians.a policy in -- imho have any and. -- i am a palestinian. he did not want to kill palestinians, and that is what pains you so much, you not have to kill them. you can give them their rights, and you can and the occupation. to put the blame for the occupation and the killing of innocent that we are seeing in gaza now on the palestinians, why? they want a state of their own, would choose wanted and achieved -- what jews wanted and achieved? i find that less than admirable. there is something deeply hypocritical about that original statement, and repeating it on the air over here as a great moral insight. henry siegman, the former head of the american jewish congress and the synagogue council of america. he recently wrote a piece for "political" wrote israel provoked this war. part democracynow.com for one. back, iran doma or ?ran said -- how effective stay with us. ♪ ak]sic bre >> this is democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. just hours after it conde

, a territory for palestinians. people worry the idea of a two state solution is slipping away. >> yes. the world is that the two state solution is slipping away. those who killed it are the leaders of israel. you can go back to all the administrations and the leaders, a number of them tried, i read the memoirs of carter. he knew what was going on. those who kill the political path is israel. i can say that on air. the palestinians want to live free in an independent state. we have two parts. the first one is the peaceful one. for the rest of the world to pressurize israel or to compel it to withdraw. if it has failed, then we have to resist, we have to defend ourselves. >> rather than saying we cannot eradicate israel why don't you say we do not want to eradicate israel, we want to live side-by-side having a full state for us and our people, why can't you say that? >> what does it mean when hamas agrees with fatah and all the factions in the unity government has said our national goal, we have joined forces to reac

the palestinian supporters slam the united states.se they believe washington has all the influence necessary to change israeli behavior. at the same time, israel, the u.s. and others openly call for the palestinian authority and hamas' backers to push their allies to make peace and accept the existence of israel. that's the public diplomatic work that goes on where people can see. but who really has the influence when the chilly periods of quiet give way to rockets and tanks? what can get the combatants, who can get the parties do anything? that's the "inside story." let's begin with the events that got us here. it's been five days since israel began its grounds frayings to destroy underground tunnel networks in gaza and stop hamas fight presser firing rockets, neither side is backing down. and the conflict is getting more deadly with every passing day. >> israel has a right to defend itself against rocket and tunnel attacks from hamas. and as a result of its operations, israel has already done significant damage to hamas' terrorist i

who are the palestinians, and what government governs all the palestinians, if any? does the integration of the amas into side of h the palestinian authority reflect the integration of hamas or not? is the rest of hamas operating separately, and he is that part of hamas contributing to the problem or solution? the wilson center has invested attention to the development in the neighborhood. this year we hosted an israeli minister of intelligence, palestinian the chief negotiator. close to half of our ground truth briefings, something you know about which are telephonic conversations about hot spots, close to half of our nearly 30 iefings have been devoted to the region. our guests will be introduced by aaron, who is the brand-new father of a son. the senior fellow. a close friend of the wilson center is that faster at university of maryland, and rob former secretary of state on near east affairs. our moderator is thaaron miller. the show begins right now. much, and forery your leadership in the wilson center. i want to acknowledge three people who are not here. they m

the palestinians have to thank for the israelis for their wonderful comfort in the west bank. it's an occupation and it should end that's my position go ahead but it isn't because they say that it is about go ahead gays line equal time gentlemen if you've been equal our time to get in go ahead. yeah i envy people like fred who always have a real imaginative creative imagination to find all ways the best excuses why not to put an end to the occupation so now it is hamas and before hamas it was our occupation and in between it was about us and in between aid between it was the terror every period of time has its own excuse why israel showed. remain in the occupied territories because they are such enemies on the other side and one day hamas will be gone and someone else will come it is and will use someone else's an excuse the majority of israelis and even the majority of the american jewry are in favor of the two state solution but not in those here someday where it will be convenient when nobody will disturb when we will be ready for these until then let the palestinians live

as israel wants to have power over and control every single aspect of palestinians lives then palestinians will resist it's human nature and it's also their legal right and it's their moral obligation to try to improve the lives of their own children so i don't understand the strategy and i'd really like martin to explain it how can you get security by oppressing another people how does that make you more secure to me it makes you much much much less secure ok martin go ahead i couldn't agree more we need we shouldn't publish needed. to warm. part of any public that would favor the war for the west bank because the wall forgot that because we haven't been there for years if only we could have a for bruce agreement but that. and their vision of why. is because hamas does not even recognize israel so what are you talking about ok point you know i mean i volunteered before we go into the first part of the program i'm going to describe what it is what's going on in gaza here i mean israel wants peace i find it really laughable i'm sorry i mean there is there's so much disproportionate use of f

this is the right of palestinians. we are human beings. >> well, let's bring in dan who is a former israeli ambassador to the united nations. thank you, sir, for joining us on al jazeera. let's begin by a very broad question. does israel want peace in the occupied territory? >> recommend, i asewer you, wants peace. israel has made peace with every arab leader who reached out to israel and who we could trust. we did it with the president of egypt and king hussein of jordan. we're willing to do it today with the palestinian authority, and believe me, the pictures coming out of gaza are horrific. what i would tell the people of gaza who are now discovering this horrible devastation and destruction brought upon them by the hamas leadership is to go and seek out the hamas leaders who are cowardly hiding under schools and hospitals in their bunkers and demand from them to stop firing rockets at israel and to bring back peace to their neighborhood and to free their people from being hostages to their hatred for israel. it was

we understand the palestinian authority issued a statement saying all the palestinian factions were onoard for a 24-hour cease-fire that could be followed by a 72-hour cease-fire. all of a sudden, we mary from the military commander of hamas saying no deal, no cease-fire. what happened? >> what happened last night is that we -- all palestinian on a cease-fire for 24 hours and actually, hamas and other factions accepted that which formed a delegation to go to cairo. at 3:00 a.m. this morning, the israelis informed the parties involved that they refused. that is the truth. now, look, wolf, i don't want to go and respond to the gentleman from stein in its or others but the point is today now as you talk to you, 1210 palestinians have been killed murdered mostly women and children. 7,000 wounded. no electricity in gaza. no water in gaza. hundreds of thousands of people are homeless. and you know, the point is the person that is really working hard is secretary kerry, secretary john kerry is in touch with mr. bab abbas, in touch with the egyptians, the europeans, the saudis, qataris and tur

>> it is not the palestinian people. and by the saming token it's not the israel people who are sending aircraft and the sheriffs against the gaza strip much. it's israel -- >> rose: does hamas represent the palestinian people. >> huh model is a component of the palestinian political fabric as you know it is part of the exoanltd of the fabric as well as those extreme terrorists settlers who could not have a young palestinian boy in east jerusalem tortured him and set him on fire alive and killed him. now we deal with the israel government. and we deal with the tragedies and i think that the continuation of the occupation will put us in a situation to see one episode after another of the kind that we are witnessing in the gaza strip and southern part of israel. but what we need is to have peace so that we can say we truly have a two-state solution. we are committed to this process. it has committed and negotiated in good faith for nine months with the involvement of secretary of state which we thank him for his efforts. b

did the palestinians not shoulder some of the blame here.d. >> i don't think it's useful to talk about blame. in a violent situation, there's plenty of blame to go around, and you can get caught up in a guilt game. the question is what is the structure of thinks. the fact is if you take a place like gaza, 70% of the eem in gaza used to live in southern israel. they were chased out of their homes and off their property without compensation, and they are living in refugee examples and in the last seven years the israeli put a blockade on the civilians. not allowing them to export anything they make. that's not a recipe for peace. israelis say they must take these mash tours. >> you could imagine a policy of interfering with imports of certain goods into gaza on security grounds. you can't imagine any security grounds tore preventing the people of gaza for exporting the things they make. >> moving forward, what needs to happen next. a lot turn to the united states hoping the u.s. could broker a ceasefire here. how much credibility do the united

we can't negotiate with the palestinian authority because they only represent some of the palestinianple. they don't represent all of the palestinian people. and so netanyahu does what he always does -- excuse me, what the israeli government does, poundingnding hamas, hamas, try to evoke a reaction and when a reaction comes, well, when the reaction comes they say, we can do with these people, they're terrorists. >> mouin rabbani, on the issue of the israeli teens who were kidnapped and then killed, when did the israeli government understand that they have been murdered, as they carried out the siege to try to find them? >> what we know is that one of these youths called the police emergency line immediately after they were abducted. gunshots can clearly be heard on the recording of that telephone conversation. on that basis, the israeli security establishment concluded that the youth had been killed almost as soon as they were abducted. this information is known to the israeli government. nevertheless, netanyahu deliberately suppressed this information using the broad censorship power

sixty palestinians and 13 israeli soldiers died in the fighting. u.n. secretary general ban ki-moon called israel's tack an atrocious action, while the fighting raged in gaza sunday, the diplomatic push gotten in earn effort. in appearances across the sunday morning talk shows, secretary of state john kerry said it was hamas that needed to act. >> israel has every right in the world to defend itself. >> the secretary seemed on message, standing with israel and supporting its military campaign until this unguarded moment between interviews was caught on tape and aired by fox news. >> it's a hell of a pinpoint operation. it's a he will of a pinpoint operation. we've got to get over there. thank you, john, i think john we ought to go tonight. i think it's crazy to be sitting around. >> it was quickly announced kerry would head to cairo to join talks there. monday morning, president obama underlined the importance of the mission. >> i've instructed him to push for an immediate cessation of host tilts based to the return of the november 2012 ceasefire agreem