palgrave macmillan. elizabeth, a couple of other related questions. you mentioned that you spoke to some philadelphia family members, etc. >> guest: uh-huh. >> host: to what extent as an anthropologisting as well as a student -- anthropologist as well as a student of the world trade center observer, to what extent is this battle for ground zero new york, a new york battle? >> guest: uh-huh. >> host: or to put it another way, to what extent are the battle lines drawn because of the characteristics and the political environment and the social environment that is new york city? or to what extent do you glean from the battle here more universal lessons? or is this really a parochial -- fascinating, but a parochial battle for the hearts and minds of new yorkers? >> guest: i mean, it's about new york insofar as the constraints on the land were very new york and that it was a piece of land in one of the most expensive areas of the city in the financial district. i mean, i know that you could imagine if this hap