. >> here in new york, congressman frank pallone of new jersey.gressman, good to have you here. >> good to be here. >> let's take a listen to this statement made at senator specter's town hall meeting just this morning. >> i don't believe this is just about health care. it's not about t.a.r.p. it's not about left and right. this is about the systematic dismantling of this country. i'm only 35 years old. i've never been interested in politics. you have awakened a sleeping giant. >> well, congressman pallone, obviously there is great emotion we have heard from your leadership, that people are un-american who want to demonstrate loudly at these -- at these town hall meetings. we've heard from robert gibbs that this is all manufactured astroturf. what's the deal here? >> i don't know that i know for sure, but i will say, lou, that many times that i've had town meetings, there were very few people there, so to the extent that we get people to turn out and participate in town meetings is probably a good thing. >> absolutely. congresswoman? >> yes. you k

pallone to remove his point of order.t's have a debate on the policy and see where the votes are. because this is acceptable under the rules. >> why don't you yield to mr. shadegg. >> thank you gentlemen for yielding. quite frankly a couple of comments on the substance. i'm stunned that this provision is there. i think there are questions to be asked about this language -- >> the matter before us is the point of or order. >> it's immense dollar values to insurance plans. they're getting an individual mandate. and they're willing to accept for an individual mandate, a requirement that we have guaranteed issue and community rating. i wonder if they're getting is a immunity? i wonder if they're being candidate wid america? opinions from judges all over the country have called for congress to fix this. now when we have a chance to fix it, we're not fixing it. we're giving those insurance companies immunity. i think it's a little odd to allow insurance plans, under arisa, immunity. but we can't give doctors any protection. qui

joining us is democratic congressman frank pallone of new jersey who has introduced a bill to restrict coal companies from dumping. thanks for coming on the show. >> thank you. let me just start by give ug you a chance to the argument that mountain-top mining is awesome because it creates more flatness. >> mountain-top mining is a disaster and creates pollution and has a negative impact on communities and people's health. it's just a disaster for the environment. >> describe what mountain top removal is. is it really the full scale shearing off of the tops of hills? >> basically they blast the top of the hill if you will and then take the waste and dump it into the stream, you know, rivers or streams nearby, and pollute those streams. >> you bring the valleys up and the peaks down. >> right. and the water is polluted and people drink it or use it for other purposes and it affects them in a negative way. >> do you think that the issue of forged letters and this made up opposition that the coal industry has been caught doing now, do you think that will be enough to interest congress or t

pallone do you reserve a point of order? >> mr. chairman, i would reserve a point of order. >> the clerk have the amendment? be sure we have the right amendment and distribute the right amendment. >> the clerk will report the amendment. >> amendment offed by mr. buyer of indiana. division a, add following section 138, programs of health promotion or disease prevention. >> without objection the amendment will be considered as read. and the gentleman from indiana, mr. buyer? >> in regard to this markup, bending the cost curve, i'll add another theme to this, he'll thy people cost less. healthy people cost less. employee-sponsored wellness programs have been successful in decreasing cost. president obama has expressed his support for these programs in any health reform package. with greater flexibility, employees will be able to draw more people into their programs and improve the the health of m americans and decrees health care costs. employers today are providing the most innovative tools of improving the health of our population a